Car Care and Detailing Dreams (Part 3)

[azfarnb]

Meguiars DA system (the one that attaches to a drill machine)

Have you used DA previously? I have not read good reviews about Checmical Guys TORQ machines but meguair seems to hold its place. I have a Chinese polisher I bought from Branderth Road (15k with cutting and polishing pads) and have used it on my older vitz. I can't understand when to put how much pressure but i'm getting there. While you're at it, don't forget about buying a paint thickness gauge. You don't want to be cutting too deep into the clear coat.

Secondly, why do you want to top off sealant + wax with a ceramic coating? It should be the other way around. I have done surface decontamination ---> sealant ---> wax with my vitz and it worked like a charm. I wanted to try out ceramic coating too but the cost factor + the application was a bit risky for me as I couldn't keep the panels dust free for more than 15 minutes

So,

1. Wash
2. Surface decontamination (clay bar)
3. Sealant OR Ceramic coating (whichever you want to go with)
4. Top it off with a wax to protect the layer of your sealant or coating

I hope you would also know and understand the fact of "curing/bonding period". You need to give certain products certain length of time to cure/bond with the clear coat.

Products (my list)

I can't say much about NXT but I can give you details about what I used or normally use

1. Chemical Guys Honey Dew Shampoo, Meguairs Gold Class Shampoo + Shit load of microfiber towels and wash mitts
2. Mothers California Gold Clay Bar kit
3. Woolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant WG-5500, I also have Meguiar's M21 Mirror Glaze Synthetic Sealant 2.0 and am satisfied with both
4. Collinite 845 (liquid version) and 476 (paste version), Meguairs paste wax, dodojuice and FORMULA one lol akhri wali ko chor k i'm happy with collinite the most
5. CarPro CQuartz ceramic coating. I have it but haven't tested or applied it yet.

PS: always work in the shade

Baki good luck with your weekend activity and do post before after pictures!

[Arsl984]

Dear u do it for passion or profession ?

[Marschall]

Have you used DA previously? I have not read good reviews about Checmical Guys TORQ machines but meguair seems to hold its place. I have a Chinese polisher I bought from Branderth Road (15k with cutting and polishing pads) and have used it on my older vitz. I can't understand when to put how much pressure but i'm getting there. While you're at it, don't forget about buying a paint thickness gauge. You don't want to be cutting too deep into the clear coat.

Secondly, why do you want to top off sealant + wax with a ceramic coating? It should be the other way around. I have done surface decontamination ---> sealant ---> wax with my vitz and it worked like a charm. I wanted to try out ceramic coating too but the cost factor + the application was a bit risky for me as I couldn't keep the panels dust free for more than 15 minutes

So,

Wash
Surface decontamination (clay bar)
Sealant OR Ceramic coating (whichever you want to go with)
Top it off with a wax to protect the layer of your sealant or coating

I hope you would also know and understand the fact of "curing/bonding period". You need to give certain products certain length of time to cure/bond with the clear coat.

Products (my list)

I can't say much about NXT but I can give you details about what I used or normally use

Chemical Guys Honey Dew Shampoo, Meguairs Gold Class Shampoo + Shit load of microfiber towels and wash mitts
Mothers California Gold Clay Bar kit
Woolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant WG-5500, I also have Meguiar's M21 Mirror Glaze Synthetic Sealant 2.0 and am satisfied with both
Collinite 845 (liquid version) and 476 (paste version), Meguairs paste wax, dodojuice and FORMULA one lol akhri wali ko chor k i'm happy with collinite the most
CarPro CQuartz ceramic coating. I have it but haven't tested or applied it yet.

PS: always work in the shade

Baki good luck with your weekend activity and do post before after pictures!

Sir grateful for your detailed reply, i am currently out of country and yes i am quite concerned about using a polishing machine myself but the results i see in pics just blow me away.My plan is :-

1. Wash complete car
2. Wash single panel again (eg Bonnet)
3. Use clay bar (on Bonnet)
4. Use swirl X (on Bonnet)
5. Use sealant ''
6. Apply ceramic coat ''
7. Move on to next panel
   I however didnt understand your "Curing and bonding period" line
   Kindly let me know where to buy wolfgang products?
   and let me check if this Car pro CQuatrz is good

I can give it to some ceramic coating shop but i have my fears

[bym007]

Ok Fellas i am a simple wash and wax person but my car requires a good clean up, now the thing is that i am willing to spend 50k for products but need some assistance.Let me give you a run down on the items i am planning to buy.

Meguiars DA system (the one that attaches to a drill machine)
Meguiars scratch X 2.0
Meguiars clay bar kit with detailer
Meguiars Ultimate wax
Meguiars NXT sealant
Meguiars NXT wash liquid
SONAX PROFILINE Ceramic coating

So kindly let me know if my sequence is right or if i am doing something wrong

WASH with NXT
Clay bar the panels
Apply scratch X with The DA Polisher
Apply sealant
Apply Wax
Top it off with a ceramic coat

Do i need to prep the paint with something before the ceramic coat like alcohol?Is the meguiars DA polisher better or should i buy a chinese polisher?Best time early morning or evening?

I would say start slowly, and see how much you enjoy detailing and how much time you are able to give to your hobby.

[bym007]

Grit Guards

Have you been rubbing contaminants or sand back on your painted surface ?

Enter grit guards.
Linky

[azfarnb]

Weekend hobby

[azfarnb]

Most sealants require a curing duration to bond itself with the clear coat. Basically, in layman terms, the chemicals interacting with clearcoat and bonding itself to it. Same goes with ceramic coatings. Some coatings cure for almost 12 hours and during these 12 hours, you're advised to stay away from water or applying any other layer of wax.

You're getting one thing wrong. Just like humans evolved and became better, wax "technology" evolved too and came up with better alternatives for deep gloss and water beading. Not sure what the predecessor of a typical wax was but sealants were a 1 grade above the waxes and now the ceramic coatings which are believed to be a grade above the sealants. All three have hydrophobic qualities. Some last longer than the other. A typical wax lasts for a couple of weeks to a month in Pakistan conditions (if not taken care of properly), sealants are believed to last for 3-6 momths, ceramic coatings are said to last for 6 months to a year and some claim they resist scratches too. So, you should not apply ceramic coating over a wax or a sealants. All you would need is ---> wash ---> decontamination ---> Sealants OR ceramic coating ---> let it bond for whatever period is advised with the product ---> wax. Hope that helps.

Mind you, the above steps can be back breaking if you're starting afresh but the end result would be satisfying.

[Marschall]

Most sealants require a curing duration to bond itself with the clear coat. Basically, in layman terms, the chemicals interacting with clearcoat and bonding itself to it. Same goes with ceramic coatings. Some coatings cure for almost 12 hours and during these 12 hours, you're advised to stay away from water or applying any other layer of wax.

You're getting one thing wrong. Just like humans evolved and became better, wax "technology" evolved too and came up with better alternatives for deep gloss and water beading. Not sure what the predecessor of a typical wax was but sealants were a 1 grade above the waxes and now the ceramic coatings which are believed to be a grade above the sealants. All three have hydrophobic qualities. Some last longer than the other. A typical wax lasts for a couple of weeks to a month in Pakistan conditions (if not taken care of properly), sealants are believed to last for 3-6 momths, ceramic coatings are said to last for 6 months to a year and some claim they resist scratches too. So, you should not apply ceramic coating over a wax or a sealants. All you would need is ---> wash ---> decontamination ---> Sealants OR ceramic coating ---> let it bond for whatever period is advised with the product ---> wax. Hope that helps.

Mind you, the above steps can be back breaking if you're starting afresh but the end result would be satisfying.

Wish me luck!!!!

[Marschall]

So does anybody have a good suggestion on a polisher within 20k price range

[Zish79]

Anybody advise some good chrome cleaning agent....my Civic X chromed parts are now getting kind of rusty...does Brasso works on chrome parts/?....

[khuram2703]

NXT masks the swirls in a briliant way that no other wax do but ..... 1 wash ki maar hai..... durability wise its a total NO.....

[wasimcsi]

Dear bro what is ur suggestion about Total pressure washer 1400watt and 130 bars in Rs. 8000.
Is this a good product to start with. will it make enough thick foam with 130bar or not?
looking forward for a valued suggestion.

[azfarnb]

130 bar of pressure is absolutely fine. Next comes the other two important components - a good quality foam cannon and a shampoo which makes thick suds. I use MTM hydro cannons and they give me suds even with 800 rs Sonax ka shampoo (tried it a couple of days ago). I am not sure if you'd be able to find these cannons here as they don't come cheap. Hmmm, you can give a 3/4k cannon a try with 1.1mm orrofice/nozzle. Normally, the guns come with 1.25mm nozzle which are more suitable for gas pressure washers or 2500 or 3000+ PSI washers (1 bar = 14.5 psi). 1.1mm is used in the cannon to increase the thickness of foam the gun spews out. Plus 1.1mm nozzle was made for electric/low bars pressure washers. As far as shampoos are concerned, I use chemical guys honeydew, meguiars gold class and Sonax. Honey dew is 1600 for a litre, gold class is 2000 for 1.9 litres and Sonax is 800 for a litre.

I'll upload my complete setup with pictures shaam Tak so you understand things better.

[wasimcsi]

thanks alot dear for a detailed response. So I can buy Total pressure washer 1400watt 130bar in 8000.
Next I will get guideline from you in selecting foam canon.
btw im also using Gold class shampoo in two bucket method. So the technical thing is canon and nozzle.

[jatt.zaildar]

Dear Detailing Gurus.... I have some questions..

I have a Civic reborn with pearl black colour... It is 2009 model - recent purchase and was not taken care of very well by the previous owner aesthetically and not protected from elements very much (parked in sun too much).. So the problems,

1. Dashboard is getting white/faded, + rear dash (plastic panel with the rear windscreen) is getting cracked..
2. The outer plastic trims are all hard and almost brittle + their colour is faded to light grey now..
3. Front windshield has wide wiper scratches like this http://cdn.metrotvnews.com/dynamic/content/2018/03/19/847197/okxqzjFcEd.jpg?w=650 ... They make night driving really difficult.
4. One alto hit my car and caused some scratches on my alloy rims...
5. The paint of car has circular scratches due to auto-car washes https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55821342e4b0d9710e45e01c/t/55a5cd80e4b086a3c2aa6df6/1436929408979/ , some deep scratches caused by cats showing white undercoating, and some fine scratches..
6. The paint is very contaminated - perhaps not clayed ever in its life... Need scrubbing or claying desparately.

What are your suggestions? For dust repulsion + paint protection.

I have figured out these after some search, guide me if i am wrong. I dont want to end up wasting my money ...
1. 2. Meguiar’s Ultimate Protectant (Dash & Trim Restorer) – GEL -- For dash and trims...
3. Read somewhere that windshield need compounding. But I dont know should I get it done or not.... Or if yes, from where.... And will it worsen the windshield condition in the long run?
4. Not much important..
5. Confused as to what to do.... Scrubbing -> Either Klasse High Gloss sealant OR Diamond 9H Glass coating?
6. same as 5.

I am after this 'after' look.. https://autodetailingpro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PAINT-PERFECTION-1000X700-1000x445.jpg

I am looking for longest life protection of the car. Read somewhere that 9h glass coating is also done on the windscreen and headlights and it make a hard shell on the car.... I want longest lasting protection with least maintenance... Just one wash per week at most... Not interested in gloss or reflections etc....

Please suggest me what should I do? I will apply glass coating myself because professionals are charging 30,000+ Rs (Rightfully so - but I do not want to spend that much if I can do it myself) ..

P.S. It is my daily drive, and plan on keeping it for 5 years inshaALLAH.... I am a student so my budget is limited...

@azfarnb : Sir I was reading your reply to a question similar to mine. what do you suggest for my car?
EDIT: Glass coating option look most attractive to me. because a hard shell protecting whole body (wind screens, headlights, body etc) will help with dash fading + headlight maintenance as well.. Dont know the pros and cons though of glass coating.

[Zish79]

thanks alot dear for a detailed response. So I can buy Total pressure washer 1400watt 130bar in 8000.
Next I will get guideline from you in selecting foam canon.
btw im also using Gold class shampoo in two bucket method. So the technical thing is canon and nozzle.

Make sure that the specs mentioned on the packing is what actually washer is giving specifically the operating bar.....usually low profile companies claim high pressure bar but actually the product dont give what they claim...

[wasimcsi]

Brother I dont know about Total Pressure washer. Heard that its a good and reputed company. They claim 130bar pressure, written on packing as well. im getting this washer in PKR 8000.
Did you hear or see that washer? any info or experience?

[margallar]

Does anyone have wolfgang sealant?

[Zish79]

Brother I dont know about Total Pressure washer. Heard that its a good and reputed company. They claim 130bar pressure, written on packing as well. im getting this washer in PKR 8000.
Did you hear or see that washer? any info or experience?

Never heard of this brand...Hyundai, black n decker etc are commonly available in the market other than renowned brands like Karcher...so cant tell anything about this Total...i suggest avoid such unknown brands and go for Karcher K2...its few bucks ahead of others but German technology is German...i am using K2 with 110 bars of operating pressure...enough for home purpose....

[tripy_thunder02]

AOA Pakwheelers,
I'm a very new person here and need the advice from gurus.
1) I've always heard of not to do dry dusting, so whats the alternative to that?
2) Which is the best wax to be used on carnelian red colour?
Is collinite 845 safe to use on this colour?