Cell Phones Dedicated Discussion (Market Prices/ Troubleshooting/ Advice/ Recommendations)

[zia1288]

Pemra

[v9sDEF]

Agreed.

However, he must have not mentioned that Android real multitasking is still more superior in iOS multitasking.

Like, in iPhones, you have to keep certain apps open in foreground in order to keep the task in running, like if you are uploading photos on dropbox, you will have to keep app open in foreground to keep uploading the data. If you switch app, uploading will stop and etc etc.

That is not true. Apps can upload in the background. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a share button allowing users to upload to 3rd party services.

[v9sDEF]

iOS keeps apps in memory indeed, but the apps cannot perform background functions, like we do it on Androids, like downloading, torrenting, uploading etc all at one time.

Depends on the function. iOS has a cut-off function on wifi activity after you lock the phone - approx. 1-2 mins after the phone is locked, background downloading/uploading is paused. If you don't lock the phone, downloads/uploads do not pause.

[v9sDEF]

Yeah,

The moment you switch app in iOS and Windows phones, the app is sort of hibernated/paused.

That happens on android too. It's a function on every modern mobile operating system.

iOS does not consume significantly less RAM than Android.

This is true. Apps on both platforms consume the same amount of memory.

iOS just significantly compresses RAM usage for paused/hibernated background apps, thats why iOS needs less RAM since it can compress RAM usage.

This is what differentiates iOS's RAM management from Android's. The least used apps on iOS somehow use significantly less RAM compared to android (note, I said least used, not recently backgrounded) - and hence are kicked out of the memory less often compared to Android.

[v9sDEF]

The slowdown is noticeable on larger memory models, since most people use 16GB iphones and with limited storage and apps, and due to less bloat, the phone runs better.

We bought higher capacity iphones and most of them, after being bloated runs slower.

iOS 10.3 has a newer, more modern filesystem that should end this problem - APFS. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15076244/apple-file-system-apfs-ios-10-3-features

[v9sDEF]

Android gives you a lot of opportunities. You can easily unlock its bootloader, get rid of bloatwares and even install custom ROM. Xiaomi, Lenovo, Samsung, Sony and other manufacturers offer unique features in their phones by customizing the OS while every iPhone got the same look and same software.

Apple Products are nothing but the status symbol for status conscious people who just like to brag about everything.

lol...10-15 years back, I remember Apple fans being unreasonable in their arguments...it seems the tables have turned.

What most people want is a tool that works seamlessly with their workflow. The tinkering, customization, rooting, etc gets real old fast.

• You tout "unlocking the bootloader" an "opportunity." Tell me, what benefit does it give the average user?

• Bloatware? - never seen it on iOS. Android may have this problem.

• Is installing a Custom ROM that big of an advantage? Most non-Google manufacturers prohibit unlocking bootloaders and installing Custom ROMs.

Touting unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMS as advantages...lol

[v9sDEF]

Its true Every phone is now assembled in china due to cheap labour. Apple only pays very little amount to chinnese for making hardware, On the other hand americans enjoy the main chunk of profits just by providing software services. Iphone is not a shape nor a jet black or red colour. Its just a Logo and software which makes its customer loyal and feel happy. Brand positioning is on its peak.

Apple pays they Chinese for what they're good at - mass producing hardware.

But did the Chinese develop or invest in the process and activities that led to the hardware? No.

Whatever hardware you see Apple producing has millions, if not billions of dollars invested by Apple in designing it. Apple designs not just the material of the hardware (i.e. like the 9000 series aluminum) it also designs the process (i.e the process of unibody construction, etc). This knowledge is then passed off to Foxconn which then simply mass produces using Apple designed and created processes.

[altisdualvvti]

Good question but simply I don't trust on used mobiles so didn't want to go for used iphone6.
So went for honor 6x for now but when I,ll be able to afford for iPhone I will go for it.
Still honor 6x is serving me v well no lag till now.
By the way any idea when will I receive OTA Nouget update?
Registered for beta version in Feb but haven't received it yet.

[Rapper]

[ch.talal]

Whats the regulatory body for Pakistani e-commerce (online shopping) websites?

Like for telecom companies, its PTA. For Banks, its State Bank of Pakistan etc.

not yet regulated.

[ch.talal]

Android gives you a lot of opportunities. You can easily unlock its bootloader, get rid of bloatwares and even install custom ROM. Xiaomi, Lenovo, Samsung, Sony and other manufacturers offer unique features in their phones by customizing the OS while every iPhone got the same look and same software.

Apple Products are nothing but the status symbol for status conscious people who just like to brag about everything.

lol...10-15 years back, I remember Apple fans being unreasonable in their arguments...it seems the tables have turned.

What most people want is a tool that works seamlessly with their workflow. The tinkering, customization, rooting, etc gets real old fast.

- You tout "unlocking the bootloader" an "opportunity." Tell me, what benefit does it give the average user?

- Bloatware? - never seen it on iOS. Android may have this problem.

- Is installing a Custom ROM that big of an advantage? Most non-Google manufacturers prohibit unlocking bootloaders and installing Custom ROMs.

Touting unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMS as advantages...lol

1- Does iOS offer as many free apps as Android does? NO

2- Is iOS an open source project? NO. So you are forced to remain stuck with what Apple offers.

3- Who told you non-Google manufacturers prohibit unlocking bootloader? None prohibits it. You need to obtain Developer options by 5 times tapping on "Build number" in settings > about phone > build number and enable unlocking bootloader from developer options. Also , there are tools available that can easily unlock bootloader of most phones and root them.

[ADAVANTAGES of unlocking Bootloader and rooting phone: 1- Some Android apps require root access to take over hardware and function. 2- Root access is also useful for learners and professional app developers. 3- All manufacturers install their own apps in phone which are sometimes useless or consume too much storage space and RAM. One can get rid of those by rooting phone. 4- If a manufacturer has stopped releasing new OS versions for an older Android device, one can install custom ROM built on latest OS (XDA developers forums best place to get them) ]

4- All iphones got same features. While every Android phone has got different hardware, CPU, GPU, RAM, camera, display, sensors, storage space, and unique software features. With buying every new Android phone, you get new features, new look, everything new. While Apple fans can keep licking their same iPhones that are also owned by millions of other status conscious tards.

[Rapper]

[nasirjavaid]

They say apple is secure

[adilfarid]

Bump for P9
Noone intrstd?

[v9sDEF]

1- Does iOS offer as many free apps as Android does? NO

No. There are only so many apps one needs. This is a flimsy argument.

2- Is iOS an open source project? NO. So you are forced to remain stuck with what Apple offers.

Neither is the Android you use on your phone. It uses proprietary Google code. AOSP is open source. Which is why after installing a custom rom, you need to install gApps separately.

3- Who told you non-Google manufacturers prohibit unlocking bootloader? None prohibits it. You need to obtain Developer options by 5 times tapping on "Build number" in settings > about phone > build number and enable unlocking bootloader from developer options. Also , there are tools available that can easily unlock bootloader of most phones and root them.

Unlocking bootloader requires factory reset and allows you the ability to get root read/write access. Enabling developer options is something else entirely.
Many manufacturers void warranty or remove proprietary code if you unlock bootloader - examples are plenty - Motorola, HTC (s-off, s-on, yada yada), Sony removes the BIONZ DRM from their phones if you unlock bootloader - makes their camera processing worse. You can simply google and find out more examples. Manufacturers don't want the average idiot playing around with system access - which is why they offer unlocked bootloader phones separately.

[ADAVANTAGES of unlocking Bootloader and rooting phone: 1- Some Android apps require root access to take over hardware and function.

Yes. Apps that allow you to customize Android at a system level - not necessary for the average user.

2- Root access is also useful for learners and professional app developers.

Again, not the average user. Even Apple gives development certs to professional developers to give them extra functionality.

3- All manufacturers install their own apps in phone which are sometimes useless or consume too much storage space and RAM.

That's the company's fault isn't it? To make an extra buck, they shovel crapware to their users. You don't get it do you? The average user should NOT have to deal with rooting to get basic functionality back in their phones!

4- If a manufacturer has stopped releasing new OS versions for an older Android device, one can install custom ROM built on latest OS (XDA developers forums best place to get them)

Most ROMS (in my experience during Android tinkering times) are only supported so well for so long before they're abandoned. Many have small bugs and quirks which is not worth the time. Again - something the average consumer does not and should not need to do. If android manufacturers stopped churning out too many phones with crappy support that barely lasts 2 years, there wouldn't be a problem.

Apple, on the other hand, supports it's phones for at least 4 years. The iPhone 5 was still getting updates till last year.

4- All iphones got same features. While every Android phone has got different hardware, CPU, GPU, RAM, camera, display, sensors, storage space, and unique software features. With buying every new Android phone, you get new features, new look, everything new. While Apple fans can keep licking their same iPhones that are also owned by millions of other status conscious tards.

Design & Aesthetics choice is personal and subjective.

[adnanls460]

are these prices true ?

i mean i have a S7 edge dual sim is Excellent shape would i be able to sell it for 60000 Rs?

[s15]

This is price for brand new, with official warranty and accidental coverage.

In used, it will sell around 41, more or less, depending upon warranty left and other factors, or whether you sell online or at market.

But nowadays, 9/10 people on online forums are brokers, who want everything Rs. 10,000/- cheaper than its actual value, to earn profits.

[s15]

Here, people want S7 edge full box at Rs. 30,000/- and you are asking Rs. 38,000/- for Huawei P9!

[adilfarid]

Lol so true

[ch.talal]

2- Is iOS an open source project? NO. So you are forced to remain stuck with what Apple offers.

Neither is the Android you use on your phone. It uses proprietary Google code. AOSP is open source. Which is why after installing a custom rom, you need to install gApps separately.

"Android unites the world! Use the open source Android operating system to power your device."

"Android is an open source software stack for a wide range of mobile devices and a corresponding open source project led by Google. This site and the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) repository offer the information and source code you need to create custom variants of the Android stack, port devices and accessories to the Android platform, and ensure your devices meet compatibility requirements. We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, where one industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other. The result is a full, production-quality operating system for consumer products with source code open for customization and porting."

https://source.android.com/

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Every Android phone uses same Android OS released by Google. Only manufacturers tweak few parts to make it fully compatible with their devices. No manufacturer can copyright this tweaked OS as their own.

Cheap Android phone manufacturers (OEM included) extract OS from top brand phones, further tweak that and install that in their own devices. Q-Mobile is the example. They just got their logo inside and out. Everything is copied; from design to OS features. And I can guarantee you that no court in the world can prosecute them for copying the features. That's the advantage of open source project.

Now, after this, rest of your comment in defense of Apple iPhone is a pile of bullsh*t and I won't bother to answert that.