Charade G101 - 2NZ-FE Swap

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manuel.enmiliii (manuel.enmiliii) 2015-02-24 04:49:12 +0500 #161

Sir, can you please post photos of the mounting points for the 2nz engine..

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-02-24 07:32:07 +0500 #162

Sure thing. It'll take a couple of days however. The transmission side mount is hidden under the battery tray. I need to remove the tray to tend to something then will take pics of the mounts and post them here.

CarSaaz (CarSaaz) 2015-03-20 18:45:14 +0500 #163

Pinnochio bhai i am extremely sorry for not getting back to you . I was away from Pakwheels for a looooong time . Just got active in the last couple of days. This Pakwheels is a CHASKA. i had quit after a long time but now im back. As for the panel im so so sorry i dont have it with me any more gave it to a friend who installed it in his mehran. Let me ask him if hes not using it (chances are hes not) then its all yours.

CarSaaz (CarSaaz) 2015-03-20 18:47:10 +0500 #164

Owais Yunas , bhai , the blue king charade is getting more n more amazing by the day . MASH ALLAH mehnat rang lageyey. very very pleasing to look at. MASTERPIECE

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-03-21 12:31:28 +0500 #165

Thank you brother just trying to make the best of my never ending pursuit of perfection

manuel.enmiliii (manuel.enmiliii) 2015-06-17 23:16:54 +0500 #166

Good am sir..any update on the photos regarding the mounting points? Thanks

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-19 03:52:33 +0500 #167

I apologize for not being able to upload pictures. The front bottom mount and the right side mounts have been uploaded earlier as well but I'm uploading them again. I havent been able to take off the battery tray and access the left side mount under there so wont be able to share that right now. I have pics of the bottom rear mount at home, will surely share that though.

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-19 05:05:46 +0500 #168

This thread has been quite for some time so sharing an update

The rear bumper of the car had the paint coming off and there were minor cracks in the paint on the trunk lid. Being an ardent pc modder, I've always wanted to try my skills on a car. So I decided to give it a go and paint the rear bumper and the trunk myself. You'll also note that I've changed the rear lights to non-smoked ones.

Took out the grinder and sanded off the excess filler used on the bumper which was not only causing the paint to crack, but was affecting the sharpness of the lines as well.

Lots of sanding.

Moderate amount of filling and then lots of sanding.

Primer laid down.

Base coat of a shade close to the actual shade of the car.

Aaand we have paint! 3 coats of Metallic paint and 4 coats of clear lacquer.

It is yet to be color-sanded and then buffed to eliminate the orange peel and bring out the shine though. Will post more pics once that is done in shaa Allah.

Material used:

Gelaso putty / filler
Duco putty (not sure which brand)
Nippon Primer
Sikkens Paint (Pearl)
Sikkens Lacquer Hardener
Gelaso Thinner.

Vaqas1 (Vaqas1) 2015-06-19 06:07:45 +0500 #169

We met and saw this car when this was with 5AFE :). Amazing work done.

Hows its running? Fuel average? torque and all.

Not a bad Paint job. My Bumpers also need some paint, how much?

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-19 06:41:24 +0500 #170

Thanks bro A little correction though, it used to have a 4efe earlier. Its running great Alhamdulillah. The fuel average that I'm getting is about 15-15.5km/l without the ac and with it, 13-13.5km/l. The torque is pretty decent. Its a lot more responsive than the same engine in a corolla because of the power to weight ratio.

About the paint job, I'm too expensive an ustaad

Vaqas1 (Vaqas1) 2015-06-19 06:46:26 +0500 #171

Haha yeah 4EFE coil one i remember now... Good work and I will also some day change my 7AFE to next generation of engine lets see when I can get the courage to do it. Its not easy after marriage and all. Dont get time to even get basic maintainance done

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-19 06:55:54 +0500 #172

Oh yes, couldnt get any truer I'm not even married and I still dont get time to get much done

As per my experience with the newer generation engines, they're a little harder to wire than the older ones but are worth it in terms of reliability and availability of healthy parts as they're alot less driven than the older gen ones. Plus the fact that they're lighter hence, easier on the suspension as well and require lesser maintenance. Whenever you get the time and are up for it, I'd definitely recommend you to try out the next gen.

jarullah (jarullah) 2015-06-24 18:59:39 +0500 #173

Bro i have charade g101 with dihatshu 1000cc engine. i want to swap it. which engine is best, in reference to power as well as fuel consumption. and frm where i should do all that work. as i belong to wah, but i have acess to both Rawalpindi and Peshawar. please help me if possible.

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-26 04:03:35 +0500 #174

It depends on how much you're willing to spend. If you're willing to spend over a 100k, then you could either go for a 2sz-fe or a 1nz-fe (2nz-fe is a more expensive engine so its better to go with either of these). Auto transmission costs between 8-10k. Whereas, the manual transmission costs between 27-32k and that is why this swap will be a little more expensive than the older generation.

Pros of the newer gen engine:
1. Better mileage
2. Healthier engines available in the market
3. Healthier parts available in the market

Cons:
1. Expensive parts

If you're willing to spend a little less (Around 70k) on the swap, you could go for a 4efe (2nd or 3rd gen) with a 5 speed transmission or a 1sz-fe (Vitz engine).

Pros of the older gen engine:
1. Cheaper to buy
2. Slightly more powerful

Cons:
1. High mileage engines in the market
2. Worn out parts available in the market
3. Lesser reliability
4. 1sz-fe's oil sump hangs too low.

SER_GTR (SER_GTR) 2015-06-26 04:30:14 +0500 #175

Owais_Yunus;4828598:

This thread has been quite for some time so sharing an update

The rear bumper of the car had the paint coming off and there were minor cracks in the paint on the trunk lid. Being an ardent pc modder, I've always wanted to try my skills on a car. So I decided to give it a go and paint the rear bumper and the trunk myself. You'll also note that I've changed the rear lights to non-smoked ones.

Took out the grinder and sanded off the excess filler used on the bumper which was not only causing the paint to crack, but was affecting the sharpness of the lines as well.

Lots of sanding.

Moderate amount of filling and then lots of sanding.

Primer laid down.

Base coat of a shade close to the actual shade of the car.

Aaand we have paint! 3 coats of Metallic paint and 4 coats of clear lacquer.

It is yet to be color-sanded and then buffed to eliminate the orange peel and bring out the shine though. Will post more pics once that is done in shaa Allah.

Material used:

Gelaso putty / filler
Duco putty (not sure which brand)
Nippon Primer
Sikkens Paint (Pearl)
Sikkens Lacquer Hardener
Gelaso Thinner.

Nice Place To Work....Cool Calm Within Home And 2ndly Great JOB DOne...

I Always Wanted To Do And Even Have Stuff But Unfortunately No Place To Work ..Also Time Is Greater Issue Now

B.t.w WHat Actually Have You Done with Paint Job

I Usually Go Like

Sanding.....Alot Of It....

Filler...Putty....

Sanding....Sanding From 400-600 Grit To 2000

Clean Surface......

Primer.......

Base Coat(Mix Color In Primer Or Matt Finish Of Same Color In Metallic?))

Then Sanding To Smoothen...

1 2 3 Coats Of Metallic Color(Time Duration Between Each Coats?)

Then Clear Lacquer 2-4 Coats (Again Time Duratiin Between Metallic Paint Coat And 1st Lacquer Coat And In Between Each Lacquer Coats)

Then Comes Final Sanding ....Fine Grit Sanding To Smoothen Out .....!!

This is How It Goes I Guess...Mention Duration And Dry Time....!!

Mixing Paint ...Thinning And Making Lacquer Is Also Very Crucial For Nice Clean Job

Also Using Gravity Feed HVLP Gun???? And How Much PSI??? Your Air Compressor Seems Small SO You May Need To Cycle It Again And Again To Get Correct Pressure!

Its Really Fun Painting But Takes Alot Of Effort And Time.....Final Results Surely Worth It.

SER_GTR (SER_GTR) 2015-06-26 04:33:45 +0500 #176

Forget To Mention I Did Paint RIMS But With Electric Gun....! Outcome Was Still Much Better But Its Busted By End Of JOB..Poor Valves Melt Down...Thanks To Thinner

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-26 05:34:41 +0500 #177

SER_GTR;4835088:

Nice Place To Work....Cool Calm Within Home And 2ndly Great JOB DOne...

I Always Wanted To Do And Even Have Stuff But Unfortunately No Place To Work ..Also Time Is Greater Issue Now

B.t.w WHat Actually Have You Done with Paint Job

I Usually Go Like

Sanding.....Alot Of It....

Filler...Putty....

Sanding....Sanding From 400-600 Grit To 2000

Clean Surface......

Primer.......

Base Coat(Mix Color In Primer Or Matt Finish Of Same Color In Metallic?))

Then Sanding To Smoothen...

1 2 3 Coats Of Metallic Color(Time Duration Between Each Coats?)

Then Clear Lacquer 2-4 Coats (Again Time Duratiin Between Metallic Paint Coat And 1st Lacquer Coat And In Between Each Lacquer Coats)

Then Comes Final Sanding ....Fine Grit Sanding To Smoothen Out .....!!

This is How It Goes I Guess...Mention Duration And Dry Time....!!

Mixing Paint ...Thinning And Making Lacquer Is Also Very Crucial For Nice Clean Job

Also Using Gravity Feed HVLP Gun???? And How Much PSI??? Your Air Compressor Seems Small SO You May Need To Cycle It Again And Again To Get Correct Pressure!

Its Really Fun Painting But Takes Alot Of Effort And Time.....Final Results Surely Worth It.

Thanks for the appreciation

Time is really an issue and having to go to the paint wala, waiting for them to work on the car that too halfheartedly, I found it more rewarding to paint it myself.

Here's the process:

Started sanding the bumper with a sanding disc attached to a 4" grinder to remove the excessive filler that was on it.
Block sanded the bumper and the trunk lid with a 100 git sandpaper attached to a 12" block (dry sanding).
Filled the surface with very little amount of filler and let it dry.
Block sanded with a 320 grit sandpaper (wet sanding).
Block sanded with a 400 grit sandpaper (wet sanding).
Block sanded with a 1000 grit sandpaper (wet sanding).
Laid down the primer.
Sanded again wherever necessary.
Filled minor imperfections with duco putty.
Sanded with a 1000 grit sandpaper (wet sanding)
Cleaned the surface with a rag slightly damp with thinner.
Laid down the base coat. Got this matte finish paint made separately somewhat color matched. The base coat is non metallic and is used just to cover the uneven patterns of sanding/filling on the primer and to provide a darker base color so that you dont end up having to paint 10s of coats of the metallic color to reach the actual color.
Sanding with 1500 grit sand paper.
Cleaned the surface with a rag slightly damp with thinner and then a tac cloth.
Laid down 3 coats of metallic paint with an interval of about 3-4 minutes between each coat. I wanted to sand with a 2000 grit sandpaper between each coat but since it was getting dark, I decided not to in order to complete the paint job while there was light.
Let the paint dry for about 45 minutes
Cleaned the surface with a tac cloth.
Laid down lacquer in a ratio of 1 part lacquer : 0.5 part hardener : around 0.3-0.5 part thinner. Allowing 2 - 3 minutes between each coat. You dont want to wait too long between each coat of lacquer when painting in the open air because you'll have dust captured between the coats and stored in the finish.
Let the paint dry properly for about a month before color sanding. I wanted to do it earlier but couldnt get the time to do it. The longer the wait, the better anyway.
Lightly wet sanded the lacquer with a 1000 grit sand paper to get rid of the orange peel. Then used a 1500 grit sandpaper and then 2000 grit one.
Used Glasurit cutting compound to polish the surface. Though the second round of polishing is yet to be done soon in shaa Allah.

I borrowed the compressor and the gun from a friend. The gun is a gravity feed one but I'm not sure how much psi. The compressor had a small tank so it did stay on for longer but maintained the pressure throughout quite well.

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-26 05:39:08 +0500 #178

How good is the electric gun in comparison to a proper compressor? Can the fan and the material be adjusted or is it fixed? The thinner must be a strong one to make the valves melt. Which thinner did you use?

SER_GTR (SER_GTR) 2015-06-26 18:23:43 +0500 #179

No Its For Water Based Paint Or Oil Based......Def Not For Automotive STandard Paint...Can't Match HVLP Air Gun Results

Thinner I Got From Paint Shop From Whom I Get Color Made...Valves Are Of Some Plastic Material .. It Was Years Back.Now I Even Have A Good Capacity Compressor ALong With HVLP Gun Also....! But Sadly No Time And Space

Reason Your Paint Job Comes Out Fantastic Is All That Sanding You Did In Between Primer And Base Coats....For Lacquer What I Hear Is You Have 24hrs Window Only To Apply Final Coat And Then Lacquer ....In This 24Hr...You Have Time To Fine Sand It...Even In Between Coats..But You Need Time Place To Do That....!

Painting In Open Is Always A RISK But Almost Many Paintjobs Are Done Like This Before And NOW....Paint Booths Have Their Advantage....Dust Free , Durable Strong Surface Along With No Tension Of Dry Time....!

OwaisYunus1 (Owais_Yunus) 2015-06-27 02:56:55 +0500 #180

SER_GTR;4835732:

No Its For Water Based Paint Or Oil Based......Def Not For Automotive STandard Paint...Can't Match HVLP Air Gun Results

Thinner I Got From Paint Shop From Whom I Get Color Made...Valves Are Of Some Plastic Material .. It Was Years Back.Now I Even Have A Good Capacity Compressor ALong With HVLP Gun Also....! But Sadly No Time And Space

Reason Your Paint Job Comes Out Fantastic Is All That Sanding You Did In Between Primer And Base Coats....For Lacquer What I Hear Is You Have 24hrs Window Only To Apply Final Coat And Then Lacquer ....In This 24Hr...You Have Time To Fine Sand It...Even In Between Coats..But You Need Time Place To Do That....!

Painting In Open Is Always A RISK But Almost Many Paintjobs Are Done Like This Before And NOW....Paint Booths Have Their Advantage....Dust Free , Durable Strong Surface Along With No Tension Of Dry Time....!

Yup sanding is the real hard work when doing a paint job. As long as its sanded properly, painting it is just a matter of using the proper technique and a blend with skill. True, you can take your time between painting and putting down the lacquer but time was what I didnt have I painted the car on a Sunday and the next morning, it was office. One should have a portable booth type of thing made of translucent sheets of plastic that would keep the dust out when painting.