10th Generation Civic Owners/ FanClub Discussion Thread

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sheikh.bilal.91 (sheikh.bilal.91) 2017-02-08 15:35:08 +0500 #3550

Hello,

Any one get their 1.8 oriel which tentative delivery date was 31st January 2017?

Honda Shahrahe Faisal just making money on premium even sales person accepting this.

irfananwar (Wheeler) 2017-02-08 15:42:06 +0500 #3551

When was the car in question booked?

sheikh.bilal.91 (sheikh.bilal.91) 2017-02-08 15:43:38 +0500 #3552

[quote="irfananwar, post:3551, topic:258473, full:true"]

When was the car in question booked?

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9th Sept 2016

irfananwar (Wheeler) 2017-02-08 15:56:16 +0500 #3553

9th Sept 2016

I think a few people have got their oriels booked on the same date. You can check previous messages. I am waiting with booking date of Sep 21 with tentative delivery time set at Feb 28th.

sheikh.bilal.91 (sheikh.bilal.91) 2017-02-08 16:02:21 +0500 #3554

[quote="irfananwar, post:3553, topic:258473, full:true"]

9th Sept 2016

I think a few people have got their oriels booked on the same date. You can check previous messages. I am waiting with booking date of Sep 21 with tentative delivery time set at Feb 28th.

[/quote]

The Sales Person don't know any information regarding car.

Zish79 (Zish79) 2017-02-08 20:43:56 +0500 #3555

[quote="msabbasi, post:3547, topic:258473, full:true"]

bhasnain:

msabbasi:

uzairbilalkhan:

Hello everyone. i own a 1.8 oriel and i had no ticking noises in my car since i bought it (about 2 weeks). It has had nothing other than ALTRON (i don't know which kind) but it is 92RON. Today i decided to test the steering in an open space and turned rapidly left and right (making the car dance i don't know how to explain it

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">">) then it started making ticking noises. i think this is what everyone is talking about and i think it was just VSA/Traction Control kicking in because i turned steering very rapidly. Experts please tell me if my car needs a replacement or not or if something is wrong. Thanks

You are absolutely correct in saying that the ticking noise is the VSA doing its job. The VSA works by comparing each tire speed to each other. If all four tires are turning at the same speed "All IS WELL". But what happens if one or two tires loose grip of the road and begin to slip (as happened when you violently turned the wheel from side to side)? What you did was to trick the car into thinking that you had lost control and the car and it was in a skid situation. The VSA allows a predetermined slip but if the difference in tire speeds go beyond the allowable amount, it applies the brakes on JUST the tire(s) that are now spinning faster due to the skid. In this way the skidding tires get a chance to slow down and regain grip of the road. In extreme cases of car skid, the VSA will also cut fuel supply to the engine or close throttle in order to slow down the entire car for it the gain road grip. When the VSA is doing all this, the ticking noise heard are the the various valves of the VSA and other parts doing their jobs.

There is one other point I'd like to make here: One of the posters here mentioned that the 1.5T has a problem as the ticking is heard more while the 1.8 doesn't have this problem. In my humble opinion that is simply because the 1.5 has 30 more HP and more importantly, this engine develops ALL its torque (the twisting power) at just 1700 RPM (4300 RPM for the 1.8 engine). That translates to one being able to spin the 1.5T front wheels far easier than the 1.8 car. So each time one is a bit enthusiastic with the accelerator and there is wheel spin, the VSA steps in the control the spin and makes the tick tick sound. This is not to be confused with knocking.

As per your last paragraph, do you mean 1.5T becomes unstable quite often and VSA has to come in to stabilize the car again & again?? due to its little more HP?... It means some problem with design engineering by Honda????

No sir. I never said "unstable". I said SPIN THE FRONT WHEELS. Same as putting a manual car in first gear then revving the engine to max and popping the clutch . There is no fault of Honda engineers here. Just simple laws of Physics. Our car market is being offered a car with slightly more power than what we are used to so initially there will be some doubts. Today cars with 600 or 900 HP are quite abundant. In the hands of inexperienced drivers such cars end up in horrific accidents. No fault of the designers or the car. Just drivers that don't respect the power they are in control of.

1.5T being the most powerful locally assembled car, It is easy to test the limits of Physics. So when the driver mashes his right foot at the traffic light no need to wonder why the VSA is activated.

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Well....still i would say there is some flaw in Pakistani Turbos.....why these physics laws dont work on other turbo cars like Audi etc????..........their VSA doesnt come in to action when you throttle them...why is that so??

msabbasi (msabbasi) 2017-02-08 21:11:57 +0500 #3556

[quote="aa78, post:3549, topic:258473, full:true"]

msabbasi:

No sir. I never said "unstable". I said SPIN THE FRONT WHEELS. Same as putting a manual car in first gear then revving the engine to max and popping the clutch ">" class="emoji" alt=" " class="emoji" alt=" ">"> ">" class="emoji" alt=" " class="emoji" alt=" ">">. There is no fault of Honda engineers here. Just simple laws of Physics. Our car market is being offered a car with slightly more power than what we are used to so initially there will be some doubts. Today cars with 600 or 900 HP are quite abundant. In the hands of inexperienced drivers such cars end up in horrific accidents. No fault of the designers or the car. Just drivers that don't respect the power they are in control of.

1.5T being the most powerful locally assembled car, It is easy to test the limits of Physics. So when the driver mashes his right foot at the traffic light no need to wonder why the VSA is activated. ">" class="emoji" alt=" " class="emoji" alt=" ">"> ">" class="emoji" alt=" " class="emoji" alt=" ">">

VSA won't trigger as much if Atlas offered decent grippy tyres instead of General Eurostar/BG Luxo trash. Bad tire selection has an effect on both acceleration (tires spinning and slipping) and braking, and hence, passenger safety.

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Agree 100% on that.

msabbasi (msabbasi) 2017-02-08 21:23:53 +0500 #3557

Dawar:

msabbasi:

uzairbilalkhan:

Hello everyone. i own a 1.8 oriel and i had no ticking noises in my car since i bought it (about 2 weeks). It has had nothing other than ALTRON (i don't know which kind) but it is 92RON. Today i decided to test the steering in an open space and turned rapidly left and right (making the car dance i don't know how to explain it

">" class="emoji" alt="">

" class="emoji" alt="

" class="emoji" alt="">

">">) then it started making ticking noises. i think this is what everyone is talking about and i think it was just VSA/Traction Control kicking in because i turned steering very rapidly. Experts please tell me if my car needs a replacement or not or if something is wrong. Thanks

You are absolutely correct in saying that the ticking noise is the VSA doing its job. The VSA works by comparing each tire speed to each other. If all four tires are turning at the same speed "All IS WELL". But what happens if one or two tires loose grip of the road and begin to slip (as happened when you violently turned the wheel from side to side)? What you did was to trick the car into thinking that you had lost control and the car and it was in a skid situation. The VSA allows a predetermined slip but if the difference in tire speeds go beyond the allowable amount, it applies the brakes on JUST the tire(s) that are now spinning faster due to the skid. In this way the skidding tires get a chance to slow down and regain grip of the road. In extreme cases of car skid, the VSA will also cut fuel supply to the engine or close throttle in order to slow down the entire car for it the gain road grip. When the VSA is doing all this, the ticking noise heard are the the various valves of the VSA and other parts doing their jobs.

There is one other point I'd like to make here: One of the posters here mentioned that the 1.5T has a problem as the ticking is heard more while the 1.8 doesn't have this problem. In my humble opinion that is simply because the 1.5 has 30 more HP and more importantly, this engine develops ALL its torque (the twisting power) at just 1700 RPM (4300 RPM for the 1.8 engine). That translates to one being able to spin the 1.5T front wheels far easier than the 1.8 car. So each time one is a bit enthusiastic with the accelerator and there is wheel spin, the VSA steps in the control the spin and makes the tick tick sound. This is not to be confused with knocking.

well explained... correct!

Thank you. I bow to the sound of applause

alitayyab (ali tayyab) 2017-02-08 21:30:44 +0500 #3558

If this is the noise is from the VSA modulator (as in the video or the civicx forum link below) than the modulator needs to be replaced.

http://www.civicx.com/threads/clicking-noise-coming-from-under-dash-or-steering-column-on-driver-side-lx-model-no-sensing.4670/page-2

uzairbilalkhan (Uzair Bilal) 2017-02-08 21:56:59 +0500 #3559

it wasn't like this. 3 ticks in a row in mine and then stopped.

msabbasi (msabbasi) 2017-02-09 07:42:50 +0500 #3560

This is certainly a fault in the car. NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR. Thank you for sharing this very vital link here.

samahir (salman ahmed aka cat) 2017-02-09 07:56:11 +0500 #3561

Zish79:

msabbasi:

bhasnain:

msabbasi:

uzairbilalkhan:

Hello everyone. i own a 1.8 oriel and i had no ticking noises in my car since i bought it (about 2 weeks). It has had nothing other than ALTRON (i don't know which kind) but it is 92RON. Today i decided to test the steering in an open space and turned rapidly left and right (making the car dance i don't know how to explain it

">" class="emoji" alt="">

" class="emoji" alt="

">" class="emoji" alt="">

" class="emoji" alt="

" class="emoji" alt="">

">">

">">) then it started making ticking noises. i think this is what everyone is talking about and i think it was just VSA/Traction Control kicking in because i turned steering very rapidly. Experts please tell me if my car needs a replacement or not or if something is wrong. Thanks

You are absolutely correct in saying that the ticking noise is the VSA doing its job. The VSA works by comparing each tire speed to each other. If all four tires are turning at the same speed "All IS WELL". But what happens if one or two tires loose grip of the road and begin to slip (as happened when you violently turned the wheel from side to side)? What you did was to trick the car into thinking that you had lost control and the car and it was in a skid situation. The VSA allows a predetermined slip but if the difference in tire speeds go beyond the allowable amount, it applies the brakes on JUST the tire(s) that are now spinning faster due to the skid. In this way the skidding tires get a chance to slow down and regain grip of the road. In extreme cases of car skid, the VSA will also cut fuel supply to the engine or close throttle in order to slow down the entire car for it the gain road grip. When the VSA is doing all this, the ticking noise heard are the the various valves of the VSA and other parts doing their jobs.

There is one other point I'd like to make here: One of the posters here mentioned that the 1.5T has a problem as the ticking is heard more while the 1.8 doesn't have this problem. In my humble opinion that is simply because the 1.5 has 30 more HP and more importantly, this engine develops ALL its torque (the twisting power) at just 1700 RPM (4300 RPM for the 1.8 engine). That translates to one being able to spin the 1.5T front wheels far easier than the 1.8 car. So each time one is a bit enthusiastic with the accelerator and there is wheel spin, the VSA steps in the control the spin and makes the tick tick sound. This is not to be confused with knocking.

No sir. I never said "unstable". I said SPIN THE FRONT WHEELS. Same as putting a manual car in first gear then revving the engine to max and popping the clutch " class="emoji" alt="">" class="emoji" alt="">. There is no fault of Honda engineers here. Just simple laws of Physics. Our car market is being offered a car with slightly more power than what we are used to so initially there will be some doubts. Today cars with 600 or 900 HP are quite abundant. In the hands of inexperienced drivers such cars end up in horrific accidents. No fault of the designers or the car. Just drivers that don't respect the power they are in control of.

1.5T being the most powerful locally assembled car, It is easy to test the limits of Physics. So when the driver mashes his right foot at the traffic light no need to wonder why the VSA is activated. " class="emoji" alt="">" class="emoji" alt="">

Janab kaha German made garia aur kaha Pakistani assembled garia .yeh to aisae hi ha jaisae aap Pakistani pm ko uk pm se compare kar rahae ho

Zish79 (Zish79) 2017-02-09 11:51:22 +0500 #3562

[quote="samahir, post:3561, topic:258473, full:true"]

Zish79:

msabbasi:

bhasnain:

msabbasi:

uzairbilalkhan:

Hello everyone. i own a 1.8 oriel and i had no ticking noises in my car since i bought it (about 2 weeks). It has had nothing other than ALTRON (i don't know which kind) but it is 92RON. Today i decided to test the steering in an open space and turned rapidly left and right (making the car dance i don't know how to explain it

">" class="emoji" alt="">

" class="emoji" alt="

">" class="emoji" alt="">

" class="emoji" alt="

">" class="emoji" alt=" " class="emoji" alt=" ">">

">">

">">) then it started making ticking noises. i think this is what everyone is talking about and i think it was just VSA/Traction Control kicking in because i turned steering very rapidly. Experts please tell me if my car needs a replacement or not or if something is wrong. Thanks

You are absolutely correct in saying that the ticking noise is the VSA doing its job. The VSA works by comparing each tire speed to each other. If all four tires are turning at the same speed "All IS WELL". But what happens if one or two tires loose grip of the road and begin to slip (as happened when you violently turned the wheel from side to side)? What you did was to trick the car into thinking that you had lost control and the car and it was in a skid situation. The VSA allows a predetermined slip but if the difference in tire speeds go beyond the allowable amount, it applies the brakes on JUST the tire(s) that are now spinning faster due to the skid. In this way the skidding tires get a chance to slow down and regain grip of the road. In extreme cases of car skid, the VSA will also cut fuel supply to the engine or close throttle in order to slow down the entire car for it the gain road grip. When the VSA is doing all this, the ticking noise heard are the the various valves of the VSA and other parts doing their jobs.

There is one other point I'd like to make here: One of the posters here mentioned that the 1.5T has a problem as the ticking is heard more while the 1.8 doesn't have this problem. In my humble opinion that is simply because the 1.5 has 30 more HP and more importantly, this engine develops ALL its torque (the twisting power) at just 1700 RPM (4300 RPM for the 1.8 engine). That translates to one being able to spin the 1.5T front wheels far easier than the 1.8 car. So each time one is a bit enthusiastic with the accelerator and there is wheel spin, the VSA steps in the control the spin and makes the tick tick sound. This is not to be confused with knocking.

No sir. I never said "unstable". I said SPIN THE FRONT WHEELS. Same as putting a manual car in first gear then revving the engine to max and popping the clutch ">" class="emoji" alt="" class="emoji" alt="">">">" class="emoji" alt="" class="emoji" alt="">">. There is no fault of Honda engineers here. Just simple laws of Physics. Our car market is being offered a car with slightly more power than what we are used to so initially there will be some doubts. Today cars with 600 or 900 HP are quite abundant. In the hands of inexperienced drivers such cars end up in horrific accidents. No fault of the designers or the car. Just drivers that don't respect the power they are in control of.

Janab kaha German made garia aur kaha Pakistani assembled garia .yeh to aisae hi ha jaisae aap Pakistani pm ko uk pm se compare kar rahae ho

[/quote]

Ji bilkul janab aisa hi hai...koi match nahin hai....magar baat wohi ajati hai k phir is ka matlab hai k Pakistani Turbos main koi na koi masla to hai which is not normal...aap us maslay ko technically durust sabit karnay ki koshish na kijiay....accept kijiay k abhi Pakistani Turbo engineering main khaamian hain.....

osamabinatiq (metalxd) 2017-02-09 14:44:55 +0500 #3563

I also booked mine orial in first week of sep and tentative date was 31jan and but till now i have not received it the dealership informed me that it will be delivered on 7th feb and on 7th they said its in production it will be delivered on 9th feb and today on 9th they said that your order has been approved for production will be here in few days i booked from Sargodha silver colour.
I even tried calling honda customer care and all numbers mentioned on there website but they dont pick up.

sfaisal_saeed (Syed Faisal Saeed) 2017-02-09 14:55:58 +0500 #3564

Salam,

Dear fellow members after lot of research and expert senior Pak Wheel Members opinions, I have also booked my Turbo which will be delivered in Apr 2017. So plz welcome me to join the Civic X group.

Regards,

naizi_x (naizi_x) 2017-02-09 15:00:38 +0500 #3565

HAHAHAHAHA :')

uzairbilalkhan (Uzair Bilal) 2017-02-09 15:30:55 +0500 #3566

colour?

sfaisal_saeed (Syed Faisal Saeed) 2017-02-09 15:37:53 +0500 #3567

[quote="uzairbilalkhan, post:3566, topic:258473, full:true"]

colour?

[/quote]

Crystal Black...

sheikh.bilal.9 (sheikh.bilal.9) 2017-02-09 15:35:26 +0500 #3568

same problem with my car
Dealership don't know any exact information

irfananwar (Wheeler) 2017-02-09 16:12:23 +0500 #3569

[quote="sheikh.bilal.9, post:3568, topic:258473, full:true"]

same problem with my car
Dealership don't know any exact information

[/quote]

When did you book and which city?