Cultus VXR 2000, a gem, a real workhorse

[shqamar]

i am more worried about disadvantages usman bhai u reckon by putting those 4 tips plugs is there any harm for engine ?

[baqai]

sold my car day before yesterday ... it served me good for past 9 years

[UsmanAnsari]

i am more worried about disadvantages usman bhai u reckon by putting those 4 tips plugs is there any harm for engine ?

wait for ahsanz to read this... all i know is that u might have to change the cables as well but what impact will create on a 3 cylinder carby engine thats probably running on cng, i have no idea..

@baqai
how much did it went for? i remember the thread you created for your gun metallic Cultus, it was gorgeous and among my inspirations too during my early days at PW

[UsmanAnsari]

@sunny... thanks for valuable information.. this would help me a lot (Y)

[ahsanzs]

are we able to use bosch super 4 tip plugs in cultus carby is there any disadvantage using those plugs in cultus ? as i have heard some people said they are not recommended for cultus ?

What could be the disadvantage? What harm could a spark plug do? Cracked block? Molten piston-crown? Blown engine? Broken connecting rod? None of the above! Experiment man experiment. Experiment with things to increase your knowledge.

No manufacturer has all the time/budget to validate every replacement part available in the market. They only check 2 or 3 models from their suppliers and that's all. Considering Bosch is a German manufacturer how come Bosch parts could be recommended by a Japanese firm whereas there are hundreds of Japanese firms ready to cater to them? That's why only NGK and Denso parts are recommended for Japanese vehicles. As for using non-recommended replacement parts, it can go both ways: parts that are not recommended can do harm and can prove better.

I used Bosch Super 4 FR78X in FX (F8B) for 55,000 km. Proved to be very good. No starting problems etc. as some people tell. One thing I especially noted was that plug-fouling was very difficult. (If you don't know about plug-fouling, leave it; most probably you've never faced it). Fuel consumption also decreased. Better cold weather starting on CNG. Engine was smoother on lower RPMs and a leaner mix could be run so idle RPM (could be) decreased. Now FX doesn't have a tachometer so can't give a numerical figure.

Then got one of my friends to install Bosch Super 4 WR78 in their Cultus G10. Been more than 17 months and no complaint.

Currently using FR78X in Bolan (F8B) for around 14,000 km. Still going strong.

Now as per this diagram, Bosch FR78X or WR78 is equivalent or hotter than your standard NGK BP6ES (more like BP5ES). (In fact it should have been colder considering it is enthusiast category). But since it runs good, I don't care. Most probably all those benefits I got was actually because of being hotter. Anyhow one heat range is not that big, so this paragraph was not needed. I put it in just in case somebody came and started ranting about heat ranges and all that.

Verdict: Go for it. Having 50,000 km peace of mind and not having to change every 10,000 km is a boon in itself.

Note: The only difference b/w FR78X and WR78 is that size of spanner is smaller for FR78X. You can use any of them.

.....my bumper guy is very goos[sic]........

Yeah, I whole-heartedly agree. (It was so hilarious I couldn't stop).

[sunny234]

@ ahsanzs
well i just looked at the blatant typo by me and it made me laugh as well.

[shqamar]

your knowledge is undoubtly a gem ahsan thanks a lot for explaining me the spark plugs scenerio a last question in my mind is there gap i went to the mechanic and ask him to re adjust the plug gap and he said oh well i cannot adjust there gap as they are 4 tip what a load of rubbish anyways went to the plug cleaning service guy and he adjust the gap and they look pretty good to me btw the model number is FR78X the one i am about to use as u nod about it so i can safely experience them now just tell me what would be the recommended spark plug gap i will go for these plugs thanks in advance .

[shqamar]

install those bosch super 4 tip in cultus , the result is unbelievebly outclass i feel the difference straight away the only thing i noted is my car heated more now and the heating knobs goes half way quickly as compared to what i had before with ngk plugs, is it normal for those plugs or i need to change the wiring ? ahsanz comments specially appreciated !!

[ahsanzs]

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All spark plugs come with a preset gap from the factory. If there is no box damage, then the plug has not suffered any shock in shipping, the gap is already proper.

Also, my mechanic told me that performance plugs don't need their gap to be reset again and again. I followed this advice and had zero problems. as the manufacturer recommended plug gap is for the recommended spark plugs, not any others. Also, if you've seen spark plugs after they've been used somewhat, the sharp curves of electrode are lost. This doesn't happen with Bosch 4 tip. I got them opened first time at 18,000 km and their was no discoloration, no deposits etc. Just a fine white ash which I blew away with my breathe. Otherwise they looked as good as new. Also, till the last of the plugs' life they looked just like new, it means the material is quite robust and no electrode melting etc. occurs which could disturb the gap.

Moral of the story: Don't try to set gap of Bosch super 4. Just buy and install.

As for your second post, you're noting the change in performance just because of wishful thinking. The differences in pickup, top speed, smoothness are minimal and not easily/instantly noticeable. The heating-up-more-and-quickly feeling is also (I think so) because I put in that paragraph about heat ranges up there. Anyhow if your engine is within the thermal limit you shouldn't be worried. Maybe you are revving hard and that's why the engine is heating up slightly more than usual, or maybe the day was just hotter than average. (Seriously, warming up quickly should have positive consequences rather than negative).

[shqamar]

thanks again for replying ahsan i couldnt thank enough just the last question closing this bosch topic when i was installing these bosch ones i had noticed that they are bit smaller than Ngk ones infact i have to use a different plug opener to install bosch ones and different ones to take Ngk ones out same thing i have noticed when i was putting the spark plugs black wires on them to cover those bosch plugs i felt they are bigger and not fitting properly on bosch ones they were fine on ngk ones , does that means i have to change the plug wires and get the ones that fits for bosch ones specifically although i have run my car for a mile and it was good please state the moral of the story again thanks in advance.

[ahsanzs]

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Did you actually read this:

Note: The only difference b/w FR78X and WR78 is that size of spanner is smaller for FR78X. You can use any of them.

Anyhow, only the spanner/nut size is smaller. Connectors are same. If your plug wires are OK don't replace. There are no specific plug wires for Bosch plugs. The connector grips however become loose after much use so just tighten them using pliers and they'll become alright.

EDIT: Are you talking about the rubber boots that are black? Rubber is rubber and becomes loose after some time. If you are not experiencing missing etc. don't replace plug wires.

[baqai]

Usman it went for 425k thanks for the compliments

[UsmanAnsari]

thats a very good price considering the condition u mentioned... congrats... btw was it with cng or without cng??

[tried]

Bump ??

[UsmanAnsari]

any reliable & trustworthy suspension workshop in preferably F.B. Area or Gulshan??? my regular suspension person suffered from cancer and has now handed over his shop to his sons, who as per my level of satisfaction haven't been doing the job sincerely, so if you people have any idea do let me know.. i will consult it in future.

[shqamar]

hey usman bhai ,
there are plenty of work shops in f.b area specially at bhai jaan chowk , well i live not far away from that place so when u are free do visit me and we both will go and visit few of them hopefully we will find good one .

[mazamwarraich]

[QUOTE=@mazamwarraich.. thats a very nice ride... exterior is pretty good, interior just need some service.. what about the steering work u got done? how is it performing?? from where did u get it done?[/QUOTE]

Asslam o Alekum wr wb

sorry for late reply Usman my net was dead actually. i didn't have any changes so far i just purchased this ride. all done by previous owner. i don't know if he have done any changes i thought cultus have this type of steering.

Next news is i got SUZUKI SF310 service manual and its big book so i need now scanner to scan it to upload it on net.

i got also CNG Cultus Supplementary Owner's Manual For Factory_Fitted CNG System.

i also got CULTUS owner's Manual. it is of july 2007.

Usman i m still checking my ride performance. i got service of my ride. and now its clean. i guess it have low mileage. i got service of collaborator today i will check it again.

[mazamwarraich]

@shqamar.. sorry you have to wait a little more to get your answer, i m really busy these days so can't find time to visit my mechanic.. don't have plug spanner

@zebno.. how much did u sold it for? congrats on the new purchase

@mazamwarraich.. thats a very nice ride... exterior is pretty good, interior just need some service.. what about the steering work u got done? how is it performing?? from where did u get it done?

Asslam o Alekum wr wb

sorry for late reply Usman my net was dead actually. i didn't have any changes so far i just purchased this ride. all done by previous owner. i don't know if he have done any changes i thought cultus have this type of steering.

Next news is i got SUZUKI SF310 service manual and its big book so i need now scanner to scan it to upload it on net.

i got also CNG Cultus Supplementary Owner's Manual For Factory_Fitted CNG System.

i also got CULTUS owner's Manual. it is of july 2007.

Usman i m still checking my ride performance. i got service of my ride. and now its clean. i guess it have low mileage. i got service of collaborator today i will check it again.

[AkbarGr8]

@Usman

I got the waterbody of my cultus changed last week, it had gotten much more noisier and failure was imminent. I'm a bit dissapointed with the choice of parts PS is now using with its newer vehicles since i had to replace it only after using the car for 15K KM. Brake pads had a month or two worth of life left in them so had them replaced too (well my mom and sister drive this car so i cant be blame for ruining the brakes :P).

Overall spent 3K on the car and is now behaving normally. Will post pics whenever i get the chance, am now waiting for you to install EPS so that i can bite the bullet too lol.

[ahsanzs]

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Which water body (brand names of both old & new)? Do you use coolant?
Which brake pads (brand names of both old & new)? Interestingly, by what formula did you guess that about one or two months' life is left in the old ones?

I guess I always have lots of questions (but sometimes have a lot of answers, too).