Genuine Toyota Oil Filter - Japanese vs Thailand made

[mianaasim]

The other thing is if "japanese filter will trap more particulate but fill up quick and then flush the particulate in the engine if the bypass opens" then wat is extra utility of this filter as in comparison the other Thai filter will not choke early and will not let particulates back to engine.

I am confused........i dont know but as I tried to understand this.........i am getting more confused. Please elaborate.

@xulfiqar ur take is required on this confusion.

[Xulfiqar]

fine media filters running in dirty engines will choke quicker than coarse media ones. meaning they will fill up faster, when filled up the bypass valve will open up as more pressure is exerted on it.

If you use a nice synth oil like Helix Ultra 5w30 in your engine, it will scrub it clean and also stay in a thinner state at normal temperature. It wont lift the bypass that easily.

[mianaasim]

So finally we can conclude that if using fully synthetic oil go for OEM Jenion Japani and if using 10W or higher oil then OE Jenion Thai is good to go.

[mashriqain]

fine media filters running in dirty engines will choke quicker than coarse media ones. meaning they will fill up faster, when filled up the bypass valve will open up as more pressure is exerted on it.

If you use a nice synth oil like Helix Ultra 5w30 in your engine, it will scrub it clean and also stay in a thinner state at normal temperature. It wont lift the bypass that easily.

I have been wondering if there is any way one could know whether the bypass valve opened or not? You know, after oil/oil filter change, cut it open and inspect. The valve is supposed to open on cold starts too if required, so that only makes things uncertain as far as checking whether it opened or not.

Also, what do you think about oil filter magnets? Are they worth the price?

Another thing that I have to ask. After the oil filter reaches its interval, say 5000 km. The filter media is surely not re-usable but what about the bypass valves? Do they become useless after 5-10000 km? The reason I am asking this is, suppose some local dhaaba wala oil filter makers get the Japanese or Thai bypass valves from the old used filters and decide to use those valves in fake filters, will those valves work? (Not sure how easy it is to remove the valve from Japanese filter, on Thai as you saw it is basically a separate piece sitting on top of the filter)

As far as I have understood things till now, fake filters that may be sold as "Genuine" will not have the Jap/Thai like bypass valves/pressure plate used in them. Instead of a pressure plate, they use the spring on top to hold everything together and bypass valve is elcheapo like LEPPON filter, which is like a big knob in the filter hole or it is not there. SO it should be easy to differentiate between Fake & Genuine Toyota filter on basis of this i.e. shine a light in the filter hole and look for the type of bypass valve. Do you think this is a safe method to ascertain genuine Toyota oil filter?

[Xulfiqar]

It will be pretty hard to reuse the bypass valve of the fine media filter as you have to destroy the cartridge to remove it, the other paper media filter has it as a separate part and can be reused, but the media itself needs to be of exact shape and size. If you notice the original toyota filter does not employ full end caps on the media barrel and the bypass sits under leaf spring pressure against the canister. You would need to make an exact copy of that - which is pretty hard to do commercially if you wish to sell it as fake product in wholesale.

You can shine a light to see the bypass valve and deduce its construction if its higher quality or not.

[shabbir.53]

Which filter is installed by Toyota 3S dealership when customer goes for oil / filter change?

[nom125]

Xulfiqar
AOA
Bro which filter should i use given following conditions:
1. 2007-model 658 cc turbocharged petrol Daihatsu Sonica( 2.7L oil for engine + 0.3L for filter required).
2. car has covered 44000 km
3. max oil change interval under normal conditions is 5000 km(i change oil filter at every oil change)
4. daily drive is minimum 33 km one side and when combined is round about 70 km
5. oil used is Liqui Moly 10W40 MoS2.
Main Requirement:
My main requirement is that engine gets cleaned of all waste particles

[mashriqain]

Which filter is installed by Toyota 3S dealership when customer goes for oil / filter change?

I believe they install the Japanese filter.

[mianaasim]

fine media filters running in dirty engines will choke quicker than coarse media ones. meaning they will fill up faster, when filled up the bypass valve will open up as more pressure is exerted on it.

If you use a nice synth oil like Helix Ultra 5w30 in your engine, it will scrub it clean and also stay in a thinner state at normal temperature. It wont lift the bypass that easily.

So finally we can conclude that if using fully synthetic oil go for OEM Jenion Japani and if using 10W or higher oil then OE Jenion Thai is good to go.

I can cut smokes to have a good filter

BTW the discussion is meant to learn something and letting other people to learn.

You know i always got 100% in class participation due to my non stop questions, same is the case here. So the question is, only japs OE or thai can also serve?

both - because they are passed by Toyota quality test. but be careful in selection. Use the filter that is recommended for your engine, dont just slap a filter in place because it fits.

Both threads cross talking but wanted to post here too so that it registers here with both of the Toyota filters in discussion.

plz check http://www.oilfilter-crossreference....TA/90915-10003

It clearly says that 90915-10003 got these equals (among many other filters):

Toyota 90915-YZZA1
Toyota 90915-YZZA2
Toyota 90915-YZZE1
Toyota 90915-YZZF1
Toyota 90915-YZZF2

[mashriqain]

Both threads cross talking but wanted to post here too so that it registers here with both of the Toyota filters in discussion.

plz check http://www.oilfilter-crossreference....TA/90915-10003

It clearly says that 90915-10003 got these equals (among many other filters):

Toyota 90915-YZZA1
Toyota 90915-YZZA2
Toyota 90915-YZZE1
Toyota 90915-YZZF1
Toyota 90915-YZZF2

About part # u r absolutely right. wat is the reference for engine application? from where u got this??. The packing can not cover every engine specs.

So, plz check TOYOTA 90915-10003 - Alternative oil filters

It clearly says that 90915-10003 (among many other filters) got these equals:

Toyota 90915-YZZA1
Toyota 90915-YZZA2
Toyota 90915-YZZE1
Toyota 90915-YZZF1
Toyota 90915-YZZF2

As far as I understand, cross reference does not mean much other than the fact that the oil filter will fit on the engine. It does not take into account the internal structure etc. etc. I mean it even lists John Deere filters there, agricultural machinery company.

The source of what I posted in the other topic as I mentioned there was the filter packing, which can be checked below:

I will personally go with OEM recommendation as long as I can do it.

[nom125]

Please reply for post 27

[mianaasim]

First of all john deere does not manufacture agricultural machinery only but also manufacture vehicles from recreational to military usage and not necessary to mention that these vehicles are prone to more load and hard conditions as compared to our urban vehicles.

IMO cross reference does not means "fitting", it is for usability. If you use cross reference for power plugs, it provides you with the equalent plugs of other brands which can perfectly be used in place of OEM. Same is the case with Oil Filter cross reference, the difference is that we have ascertained replacement filter which is also made by toyota.

Some other things may also be taken into account:
- people consider Guard to be the best
-Leppon considered to be out of this world
- people follow 3,000 to 5,000 km drain intervals.
-majority uses thicker oils.
- due to bad atmosphere you can not drag ur filter change interval to more then 7,000 km
- budget is a concern too.

Keeping in view the above facts, we can say that since thai is also approved/made by toyota, it is a way safer bet.

I m not talking about my personal liking or disliking.

[mashriqain]

Please reply for post 27

Which filter are you using? and which one is recommended for your engine i.e. OEM?

[mashriqain]

First of all john deere does not manufacture agricultural machinery only but also manufacture vehicles from recreational to military usage and not necessary to mention that these vehicles are prone to more load and hard conditions as compared to our urban vehicles.

IMO cross reference does not means "fitting", it is for usability. If you use cross reference for power plugs, it provides you with the equalent plugs of other brands which can perfectly be used in place of OEM. Same is the case with Oil Filter cross reference, the difference is that we have ascertained replacement filter which is also made by toyota.

Some other things may also be taken into account:
- people consider Guard to be the best
-Leppon considered to be out of this world
- people follow 3,000 to 5,000 km drain intervals.
-majority uses thicker oils.
- due to bad atmosphere you can not drag ur filter change interval to more then 7,000 km
- budget is a concern too.

Keeping in view the above facts, we can say that since thai is also approved/made by toyota, it is a way safer bet.

I m not talking about my personal liking or disliking.

Never knew John Deere go into recreational and military uses as well. So good then.

Now, concerning the cross reference, if it "fits" the engine, surely it will be usable too but it may be different from inside i.e. according to needs of the engine, bypass valve pressure could be different etc.

I have said this a few times previously, Thai filter can be used, yes and it is obviously safer than some "Made in Dhaaba wala" filter. I am sure people on this board are using other Toyota filters with different part numbers for their engines too. Not debating against use of other Toyota filters or any other good brand filters, which will work on the engine. I'm simply saying if using OEM, go for the proper filter which is recommended by Toyota for the engine type - IF ONE CAN AFFORD IT so ofcourse it comes down to personal liking brother. If it isn't about personal liking and preferences then pick up all Toyota filters, look for your engine code on them and use among the ones which have your engine listed.

I am currently using Toyota Thai filter in my car. I will be changing oil soon, and put the Japanese one. I will be cutting open the Thai filter and examining everything inside, including all the dirt/metal particles if any. I will also do the same thing for Japanese filter once the same mileage is reached and try to find out whether its worth paying double for the Japanese filter or Thai filter does as good a job too i.e. find out which one catches more dirt/filter condition etc. If it is the same after the practical then I'll be using Thai in future.

[tariqazama]

When i bought new GLi the filter already installed was 10003. Hence I use this every time and change at 5000km

[tariqazama]

When i bought new GLi the filter already installed was 10003. Hence I use this every time and change at 5000km

[mianaasim]

Never knew John Deere go into recreational and military uses as well. So good then.

Now, concerning the cross reference, if it "fits" the engine, surely it will be usable too but it may be different from inside i.e. according to needs of the engine, bypass valve pressure could be different etc.

I have said this a few times previously, Thai filter can be used, yes and it is obviously safer than some "Made in Dhaaba wala" filter. I am sure people on this board are using other Toyota filters with different part numbers for their engines too. Not debating against use of other Toyota filters or any other good brand filters, which will work on the engine. I'm simply saying if using OEM, go for the proper filter which is recommended by Toyota for the engine type - IF ONE CAN AFFORD IT so ofcourse it comes down to personal liking brother. If it isn't about personal liking and preferences then pick up all Toyota filters, look for your engine code on them and use among the ones which have your engine listed.

I am currently using Toyota Thai filter in my car. I will be changing oil soon, and put the Japanese one. I will be cutting open the Thai filter and examining everything inside, including all the dirt/metal particles if any. I will also do the same thing for Japanese filter once the same mileage is reached and try to find out whether its worth paying double for the Japanese filter or Thai filter does as good a job too i.e. find out which one catches more dirt/filter condition etc. If it is the same after the practical then I'll be using Thai in future.

Now as we have ascertained the fitting and usability, the question is not regarding engine requirement for bypass valve or oil pressure.

The question is that thai filter can coup such pressure or not and for how much time it can withstand as compared to japs while we are talking about 5000 avg mileage.

U r absolutely right as far as ur upcoming experiments are concerned. We will have to wait for both out come of both.

[nom125]

Which filter are you using? and which one is recommended for your engine i.e. OEM?

There are two types available for my car from parts shop priced at either Rs.250 or Rs.800
800 one is told to be original japan filter whereas 250 wala filter is locally available filter
Note:
size of Rs. 250 filter is larger than Rs.800 filter

[mashriqain]

There are two types available for my car from parts shop priced at either Rs.250 or Rs.800
800 one is told to be original japan filter whereas 250 wala filter is locally available filter
Note:
size of Rs. 250 filter is larger than Rs.800 filter

Do you have the part numbers? since I am unable to find what filter fits your car or info about its engine.

[nom125]

Do you have the part numbers? since I am unable to find what filter fits your car or info about its engine.

Their are two filters available:
1. 15601-87204( oil capacity 300 ml)
2. 90915-yzzc5( oil capacity 200-225 ml)
The one i am currently using is the first one