Get Rid of Wapda

[zia1288]

well it would be intresting. anyone knows about it? but i guess it would be costly. Do we need any sort of NOC before installing?

[amubeem]

@zia1288. Brother why would we require NOC, we are the customers, its our right to select the best option available. Few days ago i have seen hoardings in Lahore about this but unfortunately i didnt cared.

[saadisb]

with solar pannels you won't be able to run irons etc.

[aamirgillani]

Electricity generated by solar panels is referred to as PHOTOVOLTAIC energy. This tongue twisting word is often shortened to "PV,"

PV technology produces electricity directly from electrons freed by the interaction of sunlight with a solar panel made of semiconductor material. The power provided is direct current (DC) electricity. The basic building block is known as a cell. Many cells put together are known as a module, and many modules assembled together form an array. A PV system will consist of an array of modules generating DC electricity, an inverter, and sometimes battery storage back up with charge controller

The amount of power produced will depend upon how large the system is. A system composed of high efficiency cells will produce 1kW per hour for every 100 square feet.

Therefore, small residential sized PV systems are not practical for powering space-heating systems, water heaters, air conditioners, electric stoves, or electric clothes dryers. These loads require a large amount of energy to operate, which will increase the size and cost of your PV system

In USA it is mandatory to get NOC to install a PV system. In Pakistan no such law/rule exists as yet. Turkey is promoting the use of solar energy most vigeriously and no house design is approved unless catered for installing solar panels on the roof.

The fact is, if you want electricity you will be paying somebody.

[2c]

guys, y does not our government invite some other external companies who can provide electricity and let the customer decide from which supplier to buy.

[saadisb]

^^expecting an egg from a rooster

[drmansoor]

Solar energy is used in Northern Areas by Army and civilians. The panels are connected to Battrey and Electricity is usable through UPS.
One can use this electricity for lights, fans, TV and dish receiverbut can not be used for running AC or Iron etc. Just google it, I found some dealers websites and there are dealers in Lahore at Hall Road.
I was also thinking to install Solar Pannels for charging the battery I m using now. Keep us updated on the issue.

[drmansoor]

Some websites for Solar products in Pakistan:
http://www.paksolarpower.net/products.html

http://solar-4-you.com/ourproducts.aspx

[amubeem]

@aamirgillani @ drmansoor. Thank you very much folks for providing such valuable information. I was looking for PV's as alternative to UPS, that's why i needed such information.

[drmansoor]

I wrote to solar 4 You and they sent me three PDF brochures showing prices and set-ups. If anybody need it, send me ur email and I will dispatch it or one can email them, they r responsive.

[farhan0813]

Good topic you have started here, we all should be on the look out for alternate resources.

As for wapda,kesc for us, i do not know of any policy that says you cannot install own generated power. You can and you should, if you can afford it.

But the fact of the matter is how many of us can afford it, the rates are Rs.300/watt for the chinese built solar panel, cells are from Q-cell Germany but the low grade ones they produce. I have been working on this for a long time now and on wind power too.

A normal home has a power connection of 5kw, if you want to get rid of wapda as you say, you will need to install panels around that mark. so 5kw is 5000w. 5000 x 300=Rs. 15 lac just for the panels. the installation would cost you alot and so will the wiring and the batteries ofcourse. The end figure would be something like 20~25 Lac. Because just installing the panels doesn't make them work well, you need veru good quality charge controllers, inverters which can even run an ac and even irons an microwave ovens and water motors. Then there is the fact that even if you do install 5kw of panels, it depends on the sunlight would power they produce, for that you need to install trackers, theses are hmm what can you say, type of stand with eletronic motors and sensors which sense at what angle a panel should be to perform to its max. They face the sun, whereever it is, because as you know the sun keeps moving and if your panels don't move with it, they will hardly produce what you want them to.

Look into wind enegy too, its cheaper, but i know there is not alot of wind in lahore so for there its not suitable, in karachi its working good.

Dr.mansoors idea is what i give to people, simple install a ups in your home and buy panel of 100w only as a starter, buy more battery. even if the electricity is gone for long the batteries and the panel would help you.

What scares me in installing all this expensive equpment is the quality of battery available here. You all may know by now they just last 1 year or 2. But for solar and wind you need deep cycle dry maintenance free batteries that are very good and last 4-5 years.

If you need more information kindly be more specific and i would be glad to help, as much as i can.

Thanks and best regards,
Farhan

[farhan0813]

And sorry i forgot to mention, there is a factory in Hattar near Rawalpindi where they have started manufacturing solar panels, they are in direct contact with Q-cell Germany. As for lahore there are many new companies who are selling solar panels. The price is what i told you, Rs.300/Watt. Just for fans, lights, tv you can buy 500w panels and batteries and save this much from your bills. But for fridge, freezers, ac, water motors you will need 5KW which is not viable so better stay with wapda, because the cost of all the equipment you need for running your house with solar is too much, even in 20 years you will not be able to cover it and by then the panels life would have ended. By the way the life of a good panel is 20-25 years with guarantee. Batteries as i said will be replaced every 2-3 years.

[yousaadat]

Install a Gas Generator and get rid of wapda....... Initial cost is high but it will worth many a more.......

[drmansoor]

I am pasting all the PDF pages as images for the convenience of members.

@Farhan
I had that idea of installing only solar pannels, battery and UPS because I m using it in Northern areas and it is widely used over there.

[drmansoor]

[charterali]

Good for remote Areas, but not much practical for urban households...

[farhan0813]

Yeah thats what i meant to say, its good for people who just want to run and 2 fans and 2 savers, not much more then that. Otherwise the cost is way too much.

The other thing it can be good for is to install it with your ups at home and even if the electricity goes for long it will keep charging your battery. For that 50-100w panel would be good too.

As for gas generators, you might have seen that Sui Southern posted an ad in all news papers that running gas generators is violation of laws and any one caught doing it can be prosecuted, you have to inform them before hand what size generator you are using and for how long, then they install bigger gas line for your home and with that more cost of gas. For small generators you can hide them and run, but bigger generators won't run on small home gas connections.

[amubeem]

@farhan0813. Thanks a lot dude, for sharing such valuable information.

[RetardedBuddy]

As it has been mentioned before, its too expensive to be used for home and stuff. Better stick to wapda till they increase their prices beyond the 300 mark.

[Hassan1991]