Happy Defence Day (6 September 1965)

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hasooboy (hasooboy) 2013-09-06 11:35:18 +0500 #21

Why?

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needhelp2 (needhelp2) 2013-09-06 12:31:24 +0500 #22

want to kill lots of innocent people somewhere...

tell me if you know the rates or anything about availability...

thanks.

hasooboy (hasooboy) 2013-09-06 12:37:54 +0500 #23

You will need militants for that.

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carboy (carboy) 2013-09-06 12:40:59 +0500 #24

there's a group called the Lashkar-e-taliban, u might want to talk those guys, they're good in killing innocent people:S

needhelp2 (needhelp2) 2013-09-06 12:45:30 +0500 #25

I need a whole battalion or more...they are too little in numbers and they don't fight for others, they dont fight for money...

so thats why I need pak army. they have a good past record. always complete job on time(u can check from google list of UN missions they worked in) and reasonable rates(I've heard that from a friend in Israel)...

mehran (mehran) 2013-09-06 12:52:05 +0500 #26

Happy Defense of Pakistan to all my fellow countrymen!

And thanks to Sadiali for starting this thread.:thumbup:

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supereagle (supereagle) 2013-09-06 14:24:12 +0500 #27

May I come in here? Here is my two cents worth:

I'm a Pakistani and love my country and the men in uniform who bore the brunt of the Indian attack on Sept. 6, 1965. I was a child only one year old and don't remember anything about the 17 day war.
Pakistan was thrown into a needless war in 1965 by a dictator called Ayub Khan whose 'Operation Gibraltar failed in August 1965. We have been told a lie all our lives that it was India who attacked Pakistan whereas it was Ayub Khan who in August 1965 attacked India first in Kashmir under the operation with the codename 'Operation Gibraltar.' India attacked Pakistan only in retaliation on a new front by pushing north (Pakistan's south). As a result Ayub Khan had to redeploy his troops south to protect Lahore where India had decided to push. That meant disengaging from 'Operation Gibraltar' making it a total fiasco because now he had to cover south by redeploying troops from the east in Kashmir..
Kargil was ours before August 1965 and was taken by India when Ayub Khan's 'Operation Gibraltar' failed.
The 1965 war was a fiasco for Ayub Khan as he failed to liberate Kashmir which was the prime objective of his ill-thought 'Operation Gibraltar.'
The era of Ayub Khan was the blackest part of our history as he destroyed institutions including democracy which was the reason why East Pakistan seceded in 1971. The major reason behind the secession of East Pakistan was the centralised system of Ayub Khan.
He also threw us into the needless 1965 war which cost us in both men and material. If he really wanted to indulge into the extravaganza of liberating Kashmir, he could so easily have done so in 1962 when India was engaged in a war with China making the old saying right, 'a stich in time saves nine.'
I'm really amazed at today's newspapers praising Ayub Khan by painting his role in the 1965 Indo-Pak war as 'positive' which in fact was nothing but totally negative.

Regards.

sadiaali (sadiaali) 2013-09-06 15:29:21 +0500 #28

bluehorn have rights to share his views. but his views are not strong to discuss.

dms664 2013-09-06 15:34:10 +0500 #29

us? I never knew u r also a foreign national living illegally in fata

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BlueHorn (BlueHorn) 2013-09-06 15:41:10 +0500 #30

supereagle;4037147:

May I come in here? Here is my two cents worth:

1. I'm a Pakistani and love my country and the men in uniform who bore the brunt of the Indian attack on Sept. 6, 1965. I was a child only one year old and don't remember anything about the 17 day war.

2. Pakistan was thrown into a needless war in 1965 by a dictator called Ayub Khan whose 'Operation Gibraltar failed in August 1965. We have been told a lie all our lives that it was India who attacked Pakistan whereas it was Ayub Khan who in August 1965 attacked India first in Kashmir under the operation with the codename 'Operation Gibraltar.' India attacked Pakistan only in retaliation on a new front by pushing north (Pakistan's south). As a result Ayub Khan had to redeploy his troops south to protect Lahore where India had decided to push. That meant disengaging from 'Operation Gibraltar' making it a total fiasco because now he had to cover south by redeploying troops from the east in Kashmir..

3. Kargil was ours before August 1965 and was taken by India when Ayub Khan's 'Operation Gibraltar' failed.

4. The 1965 war was a fiasco for Ayub Khan as he failed to liberate Kashmir which was the prime objective of his ill-thought 'Operation Gibraltar.'

5. The era of Ayub Khan was the blackest part of our history as he destroyed institutions including democracy which was the reason why East Pakistan seceded in 1971. The major reason behind the secession of East Pakistan was the centralised system of Ayub Khan.

6. He also threw us into the needless 1965 war which cost us in both men and material. If he really wanted to indulge into the extravaganza of liberating Kashmir, he could so easily have done so in 1962 when India was engaged in a war with China making the old saying right, 'a stich in time saves nine.'

7. I'm really amazed at today's newspapers praising Ayub Khan by painting his role in the 1965 Indo-Pak war as 'positive' which in fact was nothing but totally negative.

Regards.

Agreed 100%
We need to know the truth!

dms664 2013-09-06 15:43:55 +0500 #31

Innocent ppl? few days back drone hit mosaki at north waziristan
and the very next day convoy of army was hit by some explosives causing quite a number of shahadatain. Strange isnt it that those "innocent tribals" killed in drone made an official statement of
avenging the killings of drone victims and again strange
nobody updated any status on fb or pw for them i mean army
jawans.
When will the keyboard mujahids know that jst living in Fata doesn't make you a tribal at all.
Sheep sheep every where.

PS I m frm FATA

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BlueHorn (BlueHorn) 2013-09-06 15:48:34 +0500 #32

You may contact the supreme leader of pak army, Obama. Btw, as demonstrated recently, army is also good for kidnapping people for ransom. And like in balochistan, they can also make people disappear. Rates are all in $$$.

dms664 2013-09-06 15:49:54 +0500 #33

supereagle;4037147:

May I come in here? Here is my two cents worth:

1. I'm a Pakistani and love my country and the men in uniform who bore the brunt of the Indian attack on Sept. 6, 1965. I was a child only one year old and don't remember anything about the 17 day war.

2. Pakistan was thrown into a needless war in 1965 by a dictator called Ayub Khan whose 'Operation Gibraltar failed in August 1965. We have been told a lie all our lives that it was India who attacked Pakistan whereas it was Ayub Khan who in August 1965 attacked India first in Kashmir under the operation with the codename 'Operation Gibraltar.' India attacked Pakistan only in retaliation on a new front by pushing north (Pakistan's south). As a result Ayub Khan had to redeploy his troops south to protect Lahore where India had decided to push. That meant disengaging from 'Operation Gibraltar' making it a total fiasco because now he had to cover south by redeploying troops from the east in Kashmir..

3. Kargil was ours before August 1965 and was taken by India when Ayub Khan's 'Operation Gibraltar' failed.

4. The 1965 war was a fiasco for Ayub Khan as he failed to liberate Kashmir which was the prime objective of his ill-thought 'Operation Gibraltar.'

5. The era of Ayub Khan was the blackest part of our history as he destroyed institutions including democracy which was the reason why East Pakistan seceded in 1971. The major reason behind the secession of East Pakistan was the centralised system of Ayub Khan.

6. He also threw us into the needless 1965 war which cost us in both men and material. If he really wanted to indulge into the extravaganza of liberating Kashmir, he could so easily have done so in 1962 when India was engaged in a war with China making the old saying right, 'a stich in time saves nine.'

7. I'm really amazed at today's newspapers praising Ayub Khan by painting his role in the 1965 Indo-Pak war as 'positive' which in fact was nothing but totally negative.

Regards.

Needless war? Had that operation been successful you would not have begging for water today.

Op gibraltor was a localized operation but Endia opened front on intl border n even invited intl media for tea at lhr jimkhana. This intention of her met failure after they got sunk in blood on brb canal.

Have a heart n give up ranting via ur keyboard against ur own ctry. Not happy here u can leave n get ur six settled smwhere else.

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umarmuslim (Umar Bhai) 2013-09-06 16:04:38 +0500 #34

Pakistan our home,
Its defenders our heroes &
Its enemies our enemies.

Pakistan tujh par ho Salaam !

Pakistan Zindabad...

Our forefathers gave everything up so we could have what is now Pakistan.

Proud of them,
Proud to be Pakistani

umarmuslim (Umar Bhai) 2013-09-06 16:09:36 +0500 #35

Jigar u cant blame all 3 armed forces for what a few navy officials did.

BlueHorn (BlueHorn) 2013-09-06 16:16:19 +0500 #36

Bro i agree. But look at this way. In karachi its navy, in waziristan the paf is not shooting drones and in balochistan the ground forces are making people disappear

I too love my country immensely but army seems to think themselves as God of pakistan. They do coups and kill own people. Today an army guy told me that defence day has equal importance like eid, Astakfirullah :o

supereagle (supereagle) 2013-09-06 16:21:41 +0500 #37

Well India did attack us in retaliation over 'Operation Gibraltar' whose master-minds were Foreign Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Secretary Foreign Affairs Aziz Ahmad.
It is not a matter of 'if' but the question is whether the operation was a success and the answer to that question is no, it wasn't. It was a downright failure.
If Ayub Khan had been wise enough he should've done the expedition on Kashmir in 1962 when India was busy in the Sino India war then certainly you must not have been begging for water today. Well I'm not begging for water, you can talk about yourself.
Talking about country. I've a question for you. What is the difference between the Pakistan of August 14, 1947 and the one of today. Only if you answer the question right I'll take you a person worth having a discussion with. If you don't answer right you will have my sympathies.
Please come up with concrete points and don't stoop so low by getting personal with anyone whose views you don't agree with. Please try to behave like an educated and a tolerant person and try to use strong arguments and soft words
I think you are unaware of what mess our country is in at the moment and it is not certainly Quaid's Pakistan.
Ziada jazbaatee honay key zaroorat naheen, aaj kal humain apna mulk bachaanay k liyay josh naheen hosh key zaroorat hay. Dushman humain tabah karnay pay tulaa howaa hay.

Regards.

SER_GTR (SER_GTR) 2013-09-06 17:22:35 +0500 #38

MASHA'ALLAH So Many Beloved People Blaming Army Officials For The 65 In Every Aspect....!

India Was Such A Country Whom They Can Trust But Not Our ARMY anymore..GReat !!

There Are So Many UNTOLD Stories In History But Know One Thing That To Defend This LAND.....Its ARMY Always Who Take Stand....!!

There Can Be Failed Missions Doesn't Mean They Did Everything Wrong

That's The Reason EVERYONE Of Us Is Suffering And Security Agencies And Troops Are Being Pushed TO WALL.....!!

AMAN Ke Asha Khappay

needhelp2 (needhelp2) 2013-09-06 21:54:51 +0500 #39

because the PAF is too busy carrying out airstrikes on villages and cities in waziristan...they keep blaming drones all the time and hide pakistan armed forces involvement in the conflict...

and there's solid reason behind why many soldiers are already defecting from the army...

needhelp2 (needhelp2) 2013-09-06 21:57:59 +0500 #40

no one here who is against army is saying that we should make peace with India...you are taking words out of their mouths.

they are simply stating pakistan army's failures which were presented to us as successes...