Haval " H6 " Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[zee5han]

They will have to pay the taxes so technically THEY REDUCED THE EX FACTORY PRICES by the tax value to retain them where they are

[darthvader]

Great move, but also highlights the sheer amount of margins built into these prices. Kia was able to reduce Sportage by 18 lac just casually in a single go.

[pwuser154609220140]

Please do not talk about the sheer margins of local assemblers. You have no idea how oppressed and innocent our local assemblers are. Just ask a famous auto youtuber who would explain to you at lengths how much taxes and duties Indus Toyota CEO has to pay to produce and sell a Toyota Fortuner, and those poor but caring souls are left with no choice but to pay from their own pocket on every consumer sale just to keep its price tag at Rs 21 Mn or so. Companies such as these need to be praised and rewarded for their sheer patriotism.

[waqasahmed03]

partially true. But, there is another side. Companies like indus which are using old obsolete engines like 2.7v for fortuenr and 1.6/1.8 for corolla must have done casting inhourse. But they are still importing huge chunk as CKD and have to pay duties.

[usman19854]

Tbvh, you've to build huge margins in such a low volume market

The market is doing same volumes it was doing almost 10 years back but now with 3x the options, of course everything costs a ton

[pwuser15238026645]

Does anyone have the facelift H6 2.0T? What is the real life fuel economy with 9 speed DCT?

[pwuser16167916698]

The owned is busy marketing this shit, while the software can crash anytime.i had a KIA sportage before this. THAT was a genuinley reliable vehicle!. it never made one single sound. i drove that for like 50+ kms.

I am looking to get Haval non hybrid H6 FL model. Please confirm the fuel average and if its underpowered or its adequate.

[alitayyab]

I don't know if it has been posted before, but the user manual for FL Haval H6 (HEV/PHEV) is available (in English) online

https://newretailwebsite.s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/public/PDF/OWNER-MANUAL/haval-h6-owner-manual-th_compressed.pdf

[kameetaha]

Don't ya'll thing HEV is overpriced? I'm saying this after looking at top trim Kia Sportage pricing. There should be big gap between them.

[ArslanNawaz]

Why should there be a big gap? This h6 is a top seller in middle east too. Not just pakistan.

[kameetaha]

Top seller does not mean they would price on par with its competitors.
Not just its cheaper over there, they also got great financing and maintenance options hence they received popularity.

[tech_wiz]

It is a top seller abroad because it undercuts its competition by anywhere between 20%-30%. In Pakistan, its the opposite. KIA HEV FWD and Tucson HEV FWD are both cheaper than H6 HEV.

[pwuser167550015690]

It is a top seller abroad because it undercuts its competition by anywhere between 20%-30%.

H6 (Specially HEV) didn't have any competition in Pakistan when it launched. So it captured the market unopposed.

Kia, Hyundai and Toyota to an extent then entered the market already owned by H6 so they had to undercut that to gain any traction.

And KIA didn't launch cheaper than H6 btw. They had priced the Sportage above that in their arrogance and got a harsh reality check when that thing didn't sell well.

Nishat played their cards sensibly because they could see the Sportage disaster and undercut the market leader.

[mgalaxy3]

In Pak Haval h6 is now seen as the premium brand rather than an affordable Chinese one..(like people view it abroad).

Perk of launching it when there was no competition and also offering excellent smart modern features ..

Now Sportage and Tucson can’t compete with it.. new shape launched late and didn’t have modern features at the time with old shapes.

[tech_wiz]

I was talking about international markets, not PKDM. No where else does H6 HEV cost more than equivalent Sportage, Tucson, RAV4 Hybrids. Kia launched higher but quickly dropped prices to be lower than H6 HEV. Tucson FWD launched at a lower price than H6 HEV and still is lower than it. H6 HEV prices do not make sense anymore considering the current prices of Sportage HEV and Tucson FWD HEV. Sazgar is now riding on its captured market and using it for pricing power. I am talking specifically about H6 HEV.

[alitayyab]

Neither the FWD variants of Tucson or Sportage are similarly equipped as the H6 HEV in Pakistan. Thus feature parity does not exist and thus price parity does not exist either.

From Tucson AWD HEV (features in Haval not present in Tucson AWD HEV, does not include features that are present in both but might differ in specs like size of HU etc.):
1. Leather Stitched & heated steering wheel
2. Heated Seats
3. Ventilated Seats
4. Memory Seats
5. Power Window Anti-pinch all windows (as opposed to FR in tucson FWD)
6. HUD
7. Auto hi-beam (it is in the FL H6)
8. Auto + Kick sensor Tailgate (manual tailgate in FWD)
9. 19in rims
10. Better torque and power specs
11. Autonomous parking
12. Autonomous Reverse
13. Voice Controls
14. Price: Tucson FWD -11,220,000 H6 HEV -11,749,000 = 529,000

From Sportage FWD HEV (features in Haval not present in Sportage FWD HEV, does not include features that are present in both but might differ in specs like size of HU etc.):
1. Ventilated Seats
2. Memory Seats
3. HUD
4. 19in rims
5. Better torque and power specs
6. Autonomous parking
7. Autonomous Reverse
8. Voice Controls
9. Price: Sportage FWD -11,599,000 H6 HEV -11,749,000 = 150,000

Depending on use case some of the features might or might not appeal to every one. I found HUD to be extremely useful in the H6 as it displays turn by turn navigation, call info, in addition to ADAS and speed etc. Ditto for ventilated seats. I have used autonomous driving features as a show off many times but they have limited utility (i used it at work and at the airport). Voice controls are extremely useful since there are few hardwired keys.

Since I do not have the FL Haval, but have had cars with memory seats, they can be a god-send if different people share the same car as drivers. Since this case does not apply to me now, it is a moot point, but when it did, memory seats are very very useful.

Compared to the Sportage with a diff of only 150,000/-, the advantages far outweigh the 150k difference; getting 19in wheels is likely to wipe out this difference.

Compared to the tucson, yes one can argue that the haval h6 is priced higher, and that is the great thing about choice. I am not sure how many would prefer the FWD tucson to the Haval, but i am sure there aren't going to be many; but the choice does exist.

Links to current features
https://hyundai-nishat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/BROCHURE-NX4.pdf
https://storage.googleapis.com/havalimages/images/Web%20Banners/H6%20Facelift%20Brochure%202025_compressed_compressed.pdf
https://kia-luckymotorcorp.com/app/uploads/2025/02/The-all-new-Sportage-L-Brochure.pdf

[pwuser167550015690]

I'm not arguing that the H6 isn't priced higher than it is in the international markets. It most certainly is, and I've echoed this sentiment a few hundred posts above in this same thread as well.

The thing about "Fair Price" is the price customers are willing to pay for your product regardless of what margins you make on that. And people have been more than willing to pay the price premium of the H6 despite having cheaper competition (MG HS, Oshan X7, Chery Tiggo 8 Pro etc.)

If customers are willing to pay the price then why on earth would Sazgar be incentivized to reduce the price? That's how market economics works. They're in the business of making money and as a publicly traded company, it is their LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY (Fiduciary Duty) to make as much revenue and profit for it's shareholders as possible or they can be taken to court.

But it doesn't mean you as a customer don't have a vote. You can always vote with your wallet.

Just stop buying the H6 or Jolion and you'll see Sazgar dropping prices to compete. They've already shown they can be pressured into doing so, so why not put more pressure on the company by not buying the H6 and Jolion?

[tech_wiz]

Market conditions, absorption of NEV levy by Sazgar and facelift parity within H6 lineup has ensured that post facelift, the ratio of base 1.5T bookings have skyrocketed as per my discussion with various Haval dealerships. The unanimous feedback from dealers was that more people are choosing base 1.5T this time. To put it into context, as per dealership again, since in this facelift 1.5T has seen the biggest uplift in terms of features compared to other two, people see it as an equivalent to HEV in exterior and interior. The disparity in exterior is now gone.

[pwuser167550015690]

Sazgar was already incentivizing dealerships to upsell the H6 1.5T because I suspect it caries a larger margin than the 2.0T AWD and the HEV.

Happened with me as well when I had mentioned that I wouldn't get any efficiency benefit of the hybrid drivetrain since I barely drive more than 5km a day, if at all. So instead of suggesting the 2.0 AWD, the sales person tried to convince me to go with 1.5T.

And I've seen sales agents convince people to book the H6 1.5T over the Jolion HEV multiple times and people almost always went with their suggestion and got the H6 instead of Jolion HEV.

That's probably one of the reasons we see fewer Jolion on the road compared to H6 since some of the Jolion buyers do get upsold to the H6 1.5T.

[tech_wiz]

If you look at the ex-factory price difference between the HEV and base 1.5T it is a staggering 2.6 million PKR. I am deliberately not including WHT, CVT, NEV, etc. since they don't contribute to Sazgar's revenue.

Now against this 2.6 million PKR, the biggest contributor is the Hybrid system since both are FWD drivetrains. Doesn't make sense to me that it costs the company 2.6 million PKR (or even 2.0 million PKR for that matter if you want to tag some of it to things like HUD, Ventilated seats, etc.) for an HEV system specially given the fact that its not a PHEV since HEV batteries are of much smaller kWh than PHEV.

The only other closest reference comparison can be of Corolla Cross vs Cross HEV. Or recently launched HR-V vs HR-V HEV in which case both have an approximate delta of 1 million PKR.

For me the only logical conclusion is that they have a bigger margin in HEV than 1.5T. Also, I didn't tell dealer which one I am going to book. Earlier (pre-facelift) I was dangling with the idea of going for 2.0T but since facelift they have substantially increased the power output of base 1.5T, added the most features to it versus other two and brought it on parity on exterior, I might as well go for 1.5T now.