Haval " H6 " Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[pwuser150064581489]

True but when you say har tarhan say chala kar dayka, Sehra dozakh may chala kay dayka . It means all mankind available driving style .

[AABBDDuullaahh]

BS
Imo. Munj shahb himself is (OR now turned into) much less of a car enthusiast/ factual investigator, than many people on these forums.
For all the cars I've owned, when i see his reviews on those, it's all very vague and doesn't seem to address any major/ minor points that a genuine buyer would want to know against competition.
There's no critical analysis. It's purely "achi garri hay" "aisi dukhti hay" "ye hay aur ye nahin"
In comparison good reviewers test things like: db rating on a fixed surface at a fixed speed, suspension response in terms of comfort and handling, average at some fixed speed or set driving pattern (for a true comparison with similar vehicles), and many more.

[pwuser167550015690]

I personally know people who even manage to get more than 20 in the H6. It pretty much depends on your driving style. A lot of factors affect why I get a lower fuel economy:

• My H6 barely has 4000 km on it ever since I got it, and the company apparently says it takes around 10,000 km for it to adapt to your style - which is completely absurd IMO if true.
• I like to enjoy when I'm driving so I'm always in a sporty mood. Think hard acceleration every opportunity I get - though I have one pedal mode enabled.
• I'm absolutely allergic to turning the car off even when I don't intend to move for a while so idles quite a lot.
• I have a very short commute most days I'm out 2-4 km max, so there isn't even enough opportunity for the battery to charge and shift to EV mode.
• I have the AC set to strong mode, and typically the temperature is set to 20-21°C as well.
• I'm not price sensitive when it comes to fuel so I don't really try to save it. If I can take a longer route to some place, I will, because I enjoy driving most of the time. I only get to drive once or twice a week anyways.

Same factors applied to my C-HR as well btw. Friend I sold it to drives it like a more sane person and he says he gets 25-28 km/L in the city and 20-22 km/L on highways in that.

[pwuser167550015690]

My figures weren't meant to be taken in isolation since they were based on the NEDC claimed efficiency, which has a mix of urban and highway driving.

The idea was that it's an apples-to-apples comparison because both are quoting the official NEDC figures from the same manufacturer quoted in the same brochure, so even if they are optimistic, they'd have the same amount of "optimism" built in.

You can also see the PHEV ending up being more efficient from another data point as well (again official sources so add salt):

H6 HEV FWD: 5.2 L/100 km
H6 HEV AWD: 5.4 L/100 km

H6 PHEV FWD: 5.0 L/100 km
H6 PHEV AWD: 5.3 L/100 km

All figures NEDC, and low battery scenario for PHEV.

Based on the above data, you can see that the efficiency hit in going to AWD from FWD is much higher compared to going from HEV to PHEV. Both variants for the PHEV have the same battery pack, meaning the pack is similar in terms of weight, yet the FWD version of the PHEV is more efficient than the HEV.

It would be really interesting if someone does real world testing for all of this and reports their finding, but unfortunately, Pakistani market isn't getting the HEV AWD nor the PHEV FWD variants.

[mgalaxy3]

Yes correct.

I just kinda love the H6 PHEV. Good EV range and post EV efficiency as compared to its competition (MG HS PHEV).

Should be a no brainer for anyone considering the hybrid crossover segment. In particular those with solar systems installed.

[pwuser166305830721]

I bought H6 HEV in January
Even after 6 months the brake clamping/un clamping noise has not gone away
Anybody else facing this issue ?

[pwuser167550015690]

Yup. Have that. January make as well. Seems to happen most commonly after I use it after a couple of days and specially after it's parked in a moisture like environment.

I've had it in my previous cars as well though so I just assumed it's because I leave the car parked for days and moisture from rain or washes just causes extra friction.

[maajid1]

Do we know what type of AWD the 2.0T has? I am a bit new to this but my understanding (from reading the brochure) was that this was an intelligent AWD i.e that it delivered power to wheels depending on need (slippage, speed and so on). The GWM salesperson here tells me the 2.0T has a full time AWD which delivers power to all four wheels at all times and the intelligent AWD was only in the PHEV. I thought the brochure was pretty clear, personally but he disagrees.

Do we know more about this?

[m.aamirsher]

How is the AC performance of H6 PHEV?

[tech_wiz]

That sales person doesn't know what he is speaking. Funnier still is how Haval puts on a "4WD" badge on the back shamelessly. So not surprised at the salesperson's imagination capabilities.

It's a front wheel biased AWD setup like all other crossovers in its category. Under normal conditions all power goes to the front depending on certain conditions it will increase power to the rear wheels and reduce to the front wheels up to a maximum of 50:50. It is designed with low traction conditions in mind, and not for proper off-roading. As far as I know, its an on-demand system. Permanent AWD systems are generally rear biased.

Also as per an Australian review, "the H6 employs a Borgwarner-sourced AWD system. It’s an on-demand Haldex-type". Just so you know, Haldex AWD system is an on-demand, FWD biased (as I mentioned before), AWD system that uses a wet-clutch pack to automatically send power to the rear wheels only when traction is lost, improving fuel economy and delivering grip when needed. It's not a permanent AWD.

[j_aquil]

[pwuser167550015690]

Some interesting bit from the video that the guy shared (some without citing any sources so salt required):

• Current models from Sazgar have around 29% localization - this is significantly higher than what I expected. Localized parts include wiring harnesses, seats, some engine components etc. This explains why they could maintain pricing.
• Paint apparently isn't sourced locally - at least it wasn't in 2024. I have a 2025 make and the paint quality isn't good so not sure if they've localized that as well.
• Their planned plant expansion is targeting an additional capacity of 40,000 units per year. This would put Sazgar among the top, close to Indus and ahead of Honda Atlas in terms of capacity. This kind of tracks because Sazgar was close to overtaking Honda in terms of sales anyways.
• Speaking of which, Sazgar is already 3rd in terms of revenue, displacing Honda from the Big 3. Their current revenue is actually ahead of Suzuki's last disclosed revenue figures as well but since Suzuki delisted, can't really say.
• Their gross margin is around 29% as well, more than 2x ahead of the closest publicly listed competitor, Toyota Indus. This can go lower in theory if Sazgar doesn't increase prices and the policy benefits and concessions roll off in next 2 years.
• They are betting heavily on NEVs to take advantage of the new policy and it's incentives (likely to maintain their margins). This kind of goes against GWM's ethos which has resisted electrification so far in China.
• Their new assembly plant is being setup to not only assemble the vehicles, but locally assemble critical components like Electric Motors and Batteries, with a planned capacity of 1 GWh.
• Randomly dropped in the video was the tidbit that Changan is looking to start production of Lumin by FY26.

[waqasahmed03]

Funnier still is how Haval puts on a "4WD" badge on the back shamelessly. So not surprised at the salesperson's imagination capabilities.

It's a front wheel biased AWD setup like all other crossovers in its category. Under normal conditions all power goes to the front depending on certain conditions it will

I dont get it guys. Just talking first principle physics here. So basically, when you combine traditional 4wd with differential, it beomes and AWD? AWD is generally the better choice for most driving conditions because it acts somewhat like a differential system, constantly adjusting torque between wheels to maintain grip without driver input. actually an AWD system is continuously driving both axles and uses differentials (or electronically controlled clutch packs). Unlike a traditional 4WD with a rigid 50/50 split, which is only useful when you absolutely need equal power to both axles (like in deep off-road or heavy towing), AWD provides smoother handling, better traction on mixed surfaces, and avoids the binding issues of locked 4WD. Unless you specifically need that fixed 50/50 torque delivery, AWD offers a smarter, more efficient solution.

AWD is more intelligent and fast then your differential lock in my personal opinion. I could be wrong so you can advise me on that but talking pure physics.

so there is no reason undermine these new AWD cars. Thats like what boomers do to GenZ without knowing the whole thing.

[waqasahmed03]

by the way guys, any new of H7 being launch or they are going directly to TANK? i would say they must do H7 as well.

[tech_wiz]

Actually its opposite, 4WD will almost always have at least 2 or 3 locking differentials, while AWD may only have 2 and that too open differentials and instead rely on braking via traction control to mimic a differential locking.

AWD will always fail in situations where only 4WD works. Both have differentials, but the difference is that in 4WD differentials can also be manually locked and not subject to Traction control system. Also, just having a differential isn't enough, as there can be as many as 3 differentials (front, center, rear), each with its own capabilities and benefits.

Majority AWD systems are low cost now days and rely on braking (usually via Traction control) to mimic load on the free wheel (as if it is stuck) in order to send power to the other wheel at the same axle, instead of providing a locking differential. 4WD systems can also be used in an open diff mode blurring the line between the two. But given the option, 4WD allows more control, while AWD is more imperceptible giving an always on feeling (even when its not).

Then there are some very good AWD systems (closer to 4WD) out there and some poor ones (closer to FWD). However the problem is that almost all AWD cars that we get here in Pak have AWD systems that are on the poor side. For example, AWD systems with open diff, i.e. with no credible differential locking (mechanical or electronic) capacity being driven on snow, will spin all four wheels for a bit and then basically go no where.

The problem is that Haval has put 4WD badge on a car which is AWD.

[darthvader]

AWD cars do not have mechanical locking differentials, that's only in 4WD cars. 4WD cars don't need 'at least 2-3' lockable differentials. For example the Land Cruiser 300 series only has 1 locking differential (center).

[tech_wiz]

Some AWD cars like Subaru WRX STI, certain Audis and many of their derivatives within VW group do come with mechanical locking center diffs. LC300 is a recent addition that changes this notion of having 2/3 diffs, thus making it an exception so far. I haven't heard of any other credible name worthy 4x4 other than LC300 that comes with a single locking diff.

[pwuser167550015690]

The problem is that Haval has put 4WD badge on a car which is AWD.

I remember in one of their very early marketing videos, their Director of Marketing said that the 4WD badge is wrong and they've asked GWM for an AWD badge but not sure if and when they'd start supplying that.

[tech_wiz]

They put the same 4WD badge on 2.0 being sold in other markets as well so it is not just a PKDM thing.

[j_aquil]

Sazgar Engineering targets increased production to expand into international export markets

Sazgar Engineering Works Limited (SAZEW), a leading Pakistani automaker, announced plans to enter new export markets, including the Philippines, Mexico, and Afghanistan, as part of its strategy to drive growth and diversify revenues.

Sazgar, which currently offers six vehicle variants, including four Haval models and two Jolion models, noted that strong demand has pushed delivery timelines from 2-3 months to 4 months. The company’s daily production capacity for four-wheelers is 40 vehicles, but current output has reached 60 vehicles per day. As demand continues to grow, management is considering expanding production to 100-120 vehicles daily, with the potential for double shifts.
Additionally, the company is planning to introduce new models, including the Tank and Canon Alpha, targeted for launch in March 2026.

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