Haval " H6 " Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[alitayyab]

Sante Fe is not an exciting car to drive. It looks like and drives like a soccer mom type car to me. Maybe cuz its too big or something. It does not exude any character. But that is just my personal opinion. Plus the fact that it has bog standard cruise.

the PHEV, now there's something to think about

[pwuser167536480499]

BYD sealion 6 if priced reasonably will also add to the competition in near future.

[zee5han]

Lets see how it performs and after sale services matter alot , Price is good but that's not the only factor which matters .
Overall its a win for everyone that they launched it below 10

[pwuser167550015690]

I was out to go to the Haval dealership today to book but it was closed in Lahore (likely some govt. orders due to smog). Now I'm actually wondering if it's better to wait and see how Sazgar reacts, if at all

[pwuser167550015690]

I don't like the Santa Fe either for similar reasons, plus the fact that it's a generation old now. Still, it's a D-Segment vehicle in a similar price tier as the (admittedly large) C-Segment H6 HEV.

Also, I can't seem to get it out of my head that the HS PHEV in Thailand costs about the same as the H6 HEV, while here the H6 HEV is about PKR 2 million more.

[zee5han]

I think saazgar will have to completely rethink their strategy for the Jullion HEV after HS PHEV launch , H6 HEV i guess they'll wait and see if it makes any difference in sales , its the year end and sale do drop in november/december

[pwuser167550015690]

The could've introduced the "new" Jolion (based on the Chinese market Chitu) like some of the other markets (South Africa and Australia) instead of simply offering it's grill as a "facelift" the way Thailand did. That's a slightly bigger car so they could've used that as an excuse to keep the current price point.

[mgalaxy3]

Same for Sportage and Tucson in my opinion, they’re a classic soccer mom boring cars.

In their category H6, Oshan and MG HS are all more exciting, better looking, have better features. More powerful too.

[darthvader]

Santa Fe isn't selling because it's beyond the price range of what people want from a non-Toyota SUV. Only Hilux and Fortuner can sell at 1.5 crore range. I haven't driven Santa Fe, but I owned a Sorento 3.5 for a year. These are two very similar cars and I can confidently say Sorento has a MUCH better drive than my H6 2.0.

[tech_wiz]

Better drive in what context? Suspension (softer), handling, seating comfort, acc/braking, etc.?

[darthvader]

Acceleration comparison isn't fair because nothing in Pakistan comes close to a naturally aspirated 3500cc V6 engine. Nothing.

Suspension and handling are much better on Sorento. This is an inherent issue with all Chinese cars. They don't know how to do suspension. On Haval especially it's way too soft, there's too much body roll, and the car handles potholes poorer than any other car I've seen, even including smaller hatchbacks. There are several videos on YouTube with the Tank 300 (also a GWM vehicle), which actually lifts its rear tyres when you brake too hard. It's absurd.

The Chinese are great, but you cannot beat decades of engineering experience, which the Chinese don't have.

[tech_wiz]

I am planning to buy H6. But can’t decide if I should go for HEV since my monthly driving is only 400 km. That too will be split with another car. So I feel 2.0T will be a better option. Having said that, I will take a test drive before booking it but I am not sure about overall driving dynamics of the H6 2.0T and H6 in general. Some people say its suspension is stiff. But frame of reference matters too. Stiff/soft compared to what other car.

[pwuser164163568474]

Suspension becomes tricky to judge like this because depending on your situations you may want a harder suspension. A stiff suspension is great for turning, reducing body roll, grip and overall control. However, on uneven broken roads it would be a little uncomfortable. In these cases a softer suspension would be more forgiving but at the expense of more body roll and less high speed stability. Finding the right balance is inherently tough so it may be best for you to try it out and see if things feel up to your mark.

[mgalaxy3]

You’re never going to even come close to paying off the extra few million the HEV costs.. so if there is no major difference in features non hybrid makes sense

[pwuser167550015690]

The only differences are:

2.0T

• Is AWD, so the power actually gets to the wheels quicker
• has a higher speed limit
• has paddle shifters
• has more terrain modes because of AWD
• is DCT*
• has uglier grill (subjective)*

HEV

• is FWD, so the 530nm of torque mostly ends up with wheel spin
• has more front parking sensors (6 v 4)
• has a kick sensor for trunk
• has launch control
• has lower emissions and better fuel efficiency
• is DHT*
• has better looking grill (subjective)*

In practical terms, the HEV gives a slightly faster acceleration because of the electric motor but most of the power ends up in wheel spin and it actually has a slightly slower 0-100 km/h time compared to the 2.0T. Whether you like the slight burst of power HEV provides is a matter of driving style preference.

AWD does have more practicality if you drive on rural roads or on hilly terrain or if you might need to toe, but that again is situational. Launch control is more of a gimmick and Paddle Shifters again provide more value.

*DCT vs DHT is again a matter of preference but the DHT transmission apparently functions more like dual CVT transmissions so it also wouldn't have the drawbacks of DCT.

*The difference in looks is more subjective but I never liked the front grill on the gasoline variants. However, there are now mod kits available to swap out the gasoline grill with the HEV grill.

[tech_wiz]

Biggest difference between the two is price. Once you factor in the difference in WHT part of the price and you get that amount adjusted in tax, the price difference becomes even greater between HEV and 2.0T, since 2.0T has more WHT than HEV. I personally cannot justify a 1.3 million price increase for an HEV which is a FWD and a downgrade from AWD.

[darthvader]

Add spare wheel. 2.0 has one and has the space for it as well.

[pwuser167550015690]

Ah yes forgot about the spare wheel. Realistically, I haven't had to use the spare wheel in any of the cars I've owned in a very long time so I just forgot about it. I've mostly used the inflator and tire repair kits that also come with the cars and they get the job done.

However, it's a good safety net to have.

One think that irks me about non HEV or electric vehicles is the sound of the engine at startup. I like that when I press the power button, the car just turns on without making a loud noise and I can just roll off the driveway without disturbing or waking anyone up.

But it's more than likely that I'll keep coming up with excuses to buy hybrids even when they don't make sense from a financial perspective because I'm just used to driving them.

[zee5han]

Another major factor for the HEV is the HRBID feel , forget 0-100 when your driving in real life and want to overtake another car you press the pedal and feel that INSTANT surge of electric motor , that's what I love about hybrids.

2nd thing is resale , h6 HEV is like corolla of the old days , cash on wheels, you know your capital is much safer in the HEV compared to 1.5 or 2.0

[zee5han]

AWD is mostly useless in city driving , just increases fuel consumption for something your barely gonna use