Honda City Fan Club

[a_n_memon88]

Sir MashaALLAH boht himat walay banday hain ap. I go to the workshops fully armed and loaded, just in case an 'ustaad' even tries to do something which seems to be a jugaaar but if the mechanic is gud, then he (his team) deserves the treatment that u used to give them....

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[a_n_memon88]

Memon Bhai, did you ever get the injectors of your idsi cleaned or changed? From what I know, Honda 3S guys don't offer injector cleaning at their workshops. I'll have to get it done from somewhere else. What do you suggest in this case, I mean should I go for it or drop the idea of injector problems altogether?

Secondly, the pump you're using in your car, what happens if fuel runs lower than a quarter while driving?
I remember Ahmad bhai also has the same pump installed in his car and he did mention some issues regarding fuel pressure being delivered to the engine.

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Since my car went to the extent that it was impossible to start it on petrol so I had to go all out on everything related to petrol. My mechanic opened the injectors and put a cardboard in front of them connect with engine and started cranking. Only 1 was firing perfect 1 was entirely blocked and 2 were irregular in firing he tried cleaning it by carb cleaner but that did not help and I bought kabli 4 injectors in 3500rs and working fine.

After I had got the work done I got a pm from a fellow member stating that they do ultrasonic cleaning of injectors and as he said and is also true that it is the authentic way to clean injectors. I think he quoted 3000-3500 rs for 4 injectors as I had already replaced my cars injectors so I said that I have already rectified the problem.

I know that there is workshop here in lahore who is also offering ultrasonic cleaning and they also charge 3000-3500 rs i am not sure. Concern here is that what is the solvent they use to clean the injectors. The original solvent is expensive and if an improper solvent is used for cleaning it will damage the injectors. Since I bought the car second hand so I had no history so the cheaper and wiser option was injector change.

But since I have experience this sluggish response from my car and have gone through it I can say just change the pump and you will be fine.

Regarding pressure well last pump that I bought in 800rs was good in pressure, but the mechanic from whom I got it fitted was not my regular one and he left one of the pipe loose from its housing although the connection was perfect but due to pipe not sitting in housing the guage could not move so I cannot tell at what level but sometime back the fuel got really low and the pump started making goon goon sound and the car suffocating since I was near a pump so refilled fuel worth 500 rs i.e 5 ltr. As I was not too far away from home just 2 kms so went and parked the car next day went for refill and it was some 30 ltrs for full tank. Now take that 30+5 35 ltrs. So remaining fuel is 42 ltrs. Now 7 ltrs was left when car was suffocating so this is the level of reserve I think. Also I would like to add is that the pump was noisy from the start and that goon goon went away after complete refill. It was some 2 months back the pump started to make goon goon again but only if the car was driven for 50+ kms or with fuel under half. So I changed the pump before hand because I knew it was starting to take extra load.

The pump I replaced with the pump costing 1500rs and went on a road trip to rawalakot. Recently I did 580+ kms in a single day with this pump with ascends of pir sohawa and salt range and allham dullilah no problem.

Regarding fuel level well since you are using the car on petrol so what is the point in emptying the tank before each refill, Atleast I think it is better to refill when the tank reaches half.

[a_n_memon88]

today tried caltex havoline 5w40 in our city (2012 , 9k km run), car not driven much after the oil change though it felt more silent after the oil change. plan is to run it on this oil for 5k km. i hope it outperforms the honda synthetic oil (probably made by total)

Now go and redline it in 2nd and 3rd gear so that engine washes completely.

[fawadakbarkhan]

Resolved. Went to my old time electrician. Problem was with the switch on the right hand door. The switch which controlled the left front window was stuck in the down position, and the upper movement was free. When you use these buttons, they do click click on their up and down movement when you press them, right, but in my case the upper movement was free. He opened the left front door first and when he touched the motor, it was super hot. So he assumed that the down button was continuously engaged. Then he opened the right door and the panel and indeed it was so. The upper motion was free. Just adjusted it and I was good to go. Paid him 500. Money well spent. Lol

He He He awesome job for sure. But one thing why was the window stuck in open position if the switch was stuck in down position? shouldn't it have moved fully down and get stuck there ?

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[fawadakbarkhan]

Actually the reason behind pump failure is definitely filter getting choked. The filter is just a made of a material similar to the net and is called fuel pump sock. Unfortunately the sock that comes with aftermarket fuel pump does not fit the pump and we are bound to use the old filter i.e sock. The plastic case has nothing inside that can clog I once opened the spare case that I had and it had nothing inside that can be blocked. There is only 1 important thing and that is FPR spring. Since your car has done 230k kms the pump surely would have gone weak. It is also working even when the CNG is in use, so I think now is the time to change.

P.S the thing I mentioned about fuel pump sock is only about after market pumps bought from open market. Honda genuine will cost a lot and its sock might fit but again the issue here is practicality I installed 800 rs pump and it worked I used to redline in 3rd gear at some 128km/hr and sometime back did redline in 4th so the pressure was good.

Hmmm. Well, I am hoping to go to a honda 3S dealer for the job, since I realized that the maximum they"ll be charging me is probably a fraction around 8-10k Rs. The car deserves at least that, I mean its used like HELL all week long, at least after that I'll have peace of mind for another 20k kms or so. So I think they"ll fit in a new sock with the oem pump.

Oem pump costs around 4k something I think. And I didn't get the part: Isnt there a sort of relay that cuts off the power to the fuel pump once the car converts on cng? Wouldnt it burn if it continues pumping while there being no outlet to the fuel inside the engine bay...?

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[fawadakbarkhan]

Since my car went to the extent that it was impossible to start it on petrol so I had to go all out on everything related to petrol. My mechanic opened the injectors and put a cardboard in front of them connect with engine and started cranking. Only 1 was firing perfect 1 was entirely blocked and 2 were irregular in firing he tried cleaning it by carb cleaner but that did not help and I bought kabli 4 injectors in 3500rs and working fine.

After I had got the work done I got a pm from a fellow member stating that they do ultrasonic cleaning of injectors and as he said and is also true that it is the authentic way to clean injectors. I think he quoted 3000-3500 rs for 4 injectors as I had already replaced my cars injectors so I said that I have already rectified the problem.

I know that there is workshop here in lahore who is also offering ultrasonic cleaning and they also charge 3000-3500 rs i am not sure. Concern here is that what is the solvent they use to clean the injectors. The original solvent is expensive and if an improper solvent is used for cleaning it will damage the injectors. Since I bought the car second hand so I had no history so the cheaper and wiser option was injector change.

But since I have experience this sluggish response from my car and have gone through it I can say just change the pump and you will be fine.

Regarding pressure well last pump that I bought in 800rs was good in pressure, but the mechanic from whom I got it fitted was not my regular one and he left one of the pipe loose from its housing although the connection was perfect but due to pipe not sitting in housing the guage could not move so I cannot tell at what level but sometime back the fuel got really low and the pump started making goon goon sound and the car suffocating since I was near a pump so refilled fuel worth 500 rs i.e 5 ltr. As I was not too far away from home just 2 kms so went and parked the car next day went for refill and it was some 30 ltrs for full tank. Now take that 30+5 35 ltrs. So remaining fuel is 42 ltrs. Now 7 ltrs was left when car was suffocating so this is the level of reserve I think. Also I would like to add is that the pump was noisy from the start and that goon goon went away after complete refill. It was some 2 months back the pump started to make goon goon again but only if the car was driven for 50+ kms or with fuel under half. So I changed the pump before hand because I knew it was starting to take extra load.

The pump I replaced with the pump costing 1500rs and went on a road trip to rawalakot. Recently I did 580+ kms in a single day with this pump with ascends of pir sohawa and salt range and allham dullilah no problem.

Regarding fuel level well since you are using the car on petrol so what is the point in emptying the tank before each refill, Atleast I think it is better to refill when the tank reaches half.

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. Well the story of today, the car was performing bad on ng due to reasons unknown to me, I had shifted to it after driving petrol car so it died a couple of times in 1st gear. And guess what, it took 12 cranks to fire it up on petrol :rolleyes:

Peer sohawaandsalt range, no way, mine is in a state that hardly allows it to move even on an incline LMAO.

So what do you suggest, I mean should I give a shot to Liqui Moly injector cleaner..? Or probably set off with getting them cleaned? Because hal tou waise he nahee rahay, kharab huzy to kabli le loon ga

And a thought just occured to me, is it possible that a chunk of carbon or other impurities from the filter broke off and lead to the injectors getting clogged? The reason why I thought this was because just around a couple of thousand kms back, the starting and stuff was perfect, just the acceleration was too sluggish. This crap started like just a while before. What spark plugs are you using in you car?

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[margallar]

today tried caltex havoline 5w40 in our city (2012 , 9k km run), car not driven much after the oil change though it felt more silent after the oil change. plan is to run it on this oil for 5k km. i hope it outperforms the honda synthetic oil (probably made by total)

its going to islamabad tomorrow...safai wesay hi ho jayegi motorway pe:P

wesay is it safe for city? i mean it isn't too thin is it?

[coolsmart]

Bumping up my problems hayy koee bandaa?

there is a professional mechanic at The honda 2s Rwl, peshawar road named Muneeb. Although he can do all work (except alignment), but u have to tell him to do things very gently since u care 4 ur car engine bay as well.
spark plug to PW kay kisi bai say mangwa lo e.g jz or someone else. Transmission oil be genuine Mehran auto Rwl sadar road say lay lo. and wheel alignment, ye 3 kam to independent he kara lo.

[coolsmart]

Fuel pump should cut off after converting to cng in my opinion otherwise fuel line will get pressurized. If pump is on during cng operation then it must be throwing fuel again in tank through return line.
@rollon do someting and dont wait:). if the injector or pump is too bad, liqy moley will do little if diease is in final stage then it will cured only through surgery. @memon u redline too much:D.

[a_n_memon88]

Hmmm. Well, I am hoping to go to a honda 3S dealer for the job, since I realized that the maximum they"ll be charging me is probably a fraction around 8-10k Rs. The car deserves at least that, I mean its used like HELL all week long, at least after that I'll have peace of mind for another 20k kms or so. So I think they"ll fit in a new sock with the oem pump.

Oem pump costs around 4k something I think. And I didn't get the part: Isnt there a sort of relay that cuts off the power to the fuel pump once the car converts on cng? Wouldnt it burn if it continues pumping while there being no outlet to the fuel inside the engine bay...?

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Are you sure oem pump costs just 4k rs. Sometime back when I called them about the price they said they will charge around 25000 rs for the job may be they were just kidding, but if it is just 4k for the oem than those ***** cost honda some business here because I would have gone for that with my eyes closed.

The pump is intended to run all the time so the companies dont put a relay. Well if you open a pipe in the engine bay that is petrol inlet for the engine it is quite pressurized and on opening will spill a lot of petrol. The pump is like a fridge or ac compressor it runs at a constant speed no matter how much petrol is required. It is the fpr that regulates the pressure of petrol in the system. Once the line is pressurized according to the requirement the excess fuel is sent back to the tank. So the fuel pump is working all the time.

The pump would burn only in case if its inlet is blocked too much or there is too less petrol in the tank. The intank fuel pump is cooled down by being in the tank and if it does not find petrol it will burn. This is the reason why mechanics dont test the pump outside the car.

[a_n_memon88]

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. Well the story of today, the car was performing bad on ng due to reasons unknown to me, I had shifted to it after driving petrol car so it died a couple of times in 1st gear. And guess what, it took 12 cranks to fire it up on petrol :rolleyes:

Peer sohawaandsalt range, no way, mine is in a state that hardly allows it to move even on an incline LMAO.

So what do you suggest, I mean should I give a shot to Liqui Moly injector cleaner..? Or probably set off with getting them cleaned? Because hal tou waise he nahee rahay, kharab huzy to kabli le loon ga

And a thought just occured to me, is it possible that a chunk of carbon or other impurities from the filter broke off and lead to the injectors getting clogged? The reason why I thought this was because just around a couple of thousand kms back, the starting and stuff was perfect, just the acceleration was too sluggish. This crap started like just a while before. What spark plugs are you using in you car?

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Your assumption is too narrow to be true yet it is quite plausible. Since the petrol moves in several pipes and thin spaces I dont think a large particle can make its way to the injectors. Normally they are clogged from outside due to CNG use and from inside they are clogged if petrol that is varnish like is used.

I would say that leave injectors at the moment and concentrate on the pump, if the problem sustains than go to injectors, and please do inquire from honda before hand what will they charge for pump complete replacement and I doubt the oem genuine one cost 4000 rs

BTW my car when its fuel pump was bad was flawless on CNG I dont know why your car is giving you trouble on CNG. Yes when you shift from a petrol car to CNG it does feel like its dead but missing is indigestible atleast to me.

I am using stock spark plugs NGK BP6RE Y11.

[a_n_memon88]

its going to islamabad tomorrow...safai wesay hi ho jayegi motorway pe:P

wesay is it safe for city? i mean it isn't too thin is it?

Well I think the japenese manual recommends 0w20 or 0w30 since our weather is not that cold so 5w is perfect Also 40 is a grade good enough for our weather. So your choice is perfect.

Chanda safai waisay nahi hoti gari ko khenchna parta hai(H) AAmir bhai ki tarhan

[a_n_memon88]

Fuel pump should cut off after converting to cng in my opinion otherwise fuel line will get pressurized. If pump is on during cng operation then it must be throwing fuel again in tank through return line.
@rollon do someting and dont wait:). if the injector or pump is too bad, liqy moley will do little if diease is in final stage then it will cured only through surgery. @memon u redline too much:D.

No the fuel pump does not cut off it works as it would work on petrol. No the fuel line will not get overpressurized because FPR will control the flow of petrol. Yes the excess and a matter of fact all the petrol during CNG use is thrown back to the tank.

Well there is no sound in the world that can match to the sound of a redlining engine. Well I dont redline it too often but once in a while like after every 500 kms a km or two in redline dont harm plus they open up the air flow passages in the engine and burn excess carbon and unburnt fuel deposits.

BTW my cars exhaust system has leakage in the area underneath driver seat due to it hitting every other speed breaker and it makes it sound like wow. I will show you a clip someday when the car sounds like a sports car.

[waleed80]

No bro dont get disheart. After all they are machines and any fault can occur in any type of a car. Remember one thing that allah tests his mankind by giving them troubles and a person is only tested to a level which he can counter. May be allah thinks that you can counter and get through his tests so he is testing you. Same is the case with me I drive my cars with utmost care and yet they give me problems and I have seen people raping their cars and yet they are trouble free so I think that more I increase my level of tolerance more Allah will test me and this is the ultimate thing in life of a man.

Coming to your problem you must know that for every motor of anything that draws amperes there are relays in the system. Sometimes a relay is used for a single item sometimes a relay powers more than one. The click sound is relay getting active. The reason for this appearing again and again is there is some electronic malfunction that is causing the relay to activate again and again. Now that electronic fault can be anywhere from master switch assembly to power window motor to anything that is connected in the system

As a simple diagnosis I would suggest you to get under the dash board and disconnect the fuse for main power window assembly. See and hear if the sound appear again if it does not there is a problem with power window circuit. After that put the fuse back and start the car roll down the windows to half level now see if windows move when this click is produced if they move upwards than you will have to disconnect the fuse until you get the problem solved.

The reasons for this can be moisture getting inside the chip card also it can be due to the fact that the window was not opened for a long time say 2-3 months and than as it was moved down there is a problem.

thanks for the kind words bhai but the only thing is that one buys new car for the satisfaction that it wont trouble u for say next 3 to 4 years at least, and just within one year these many things have happened. regarding the window problem, i have already mentioned above that it was somethig to do with the master control on the driver door which was controlling the left window, it kind of had slipped

He He He awesome job for sure. But one thing why was the window stuck in open position if the switch was stuck in down position? shouldn't it have moved fully down and get stuck there ?

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now thats one damn good observation....hahahaha...u meant that why was the window stuck in CLOSED position if the window was stuck in DOWN position (the window open position) maybe as the upper click motion was free, very much possible that the button when last used to CLOSE the window got free and stuck there, hence constantly providing current to the motor, which in result was extremely hot. the clicking sound must have been some mechanism in it which was trying to disconnect the circuit, and once it did, the next click sound might be from the stuck UPWARD motion of the button, thereby engaging the motor again.....and maybe when the system noticed in next 5 seconds that bhai he is still holding the button up, it kicked in to disconnect the circuit again with a CLICK sound i heard, only to be clicked AGAIN by the stuck button and so on. thats the only logical explanation i have

PS : gibberish, right ??

[ahmad_yar]

Well as per My Experience HONDA Pit Stop Guys are Good,

The Best HONDA City Lahore owners at PW are:
@accord7362 @incognito59 @smashhud @vague_one @ahmad_yar

They only go to HONDA 3S & I think they can guide U pretty much well, & they're really Nice Behaving people i met on PW.

Further I found a Thread May be it'll solve Ur Matter, If U'll go down Further in this Forum U'll find out HONDA Car Service Shop Reviews:
https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bikes-3-wheelers/210131-lahore-honda-service-center-review

dear moeed bhai
jazakallah for considering me able to stand me in list of some of great people on pw which i personally think not fair
i bring my city to honda city sales from day first being reason some salam dua with manager of city sales and always request him to ref car to best mechanic in workshop.

this is true they always overload with work so next time will try honda airport motors inshallah

for my corolla i had bad experince with toyota walton motors as they steal something from my car so now now my choice is toyota airport motors though same owner but they behave better

[ahmad_yar]

can anyone tell me pcd of city 15" rims for tyers 185/60/15
jazakallah

[waleed80]

^^^ 100

[waleed80]

can anyone tell me pcd of city 15" rims for tyers 185/60/15
jazakallah

and bro, isnt PCD to do with the rim and the hub only. i mean, PCD would remain same no matter which tyres u go for, right ? please correct me if i m wrong

[fawadakbarkhan]

can anyone tell me pcd of city 15" rims for tyers 185/60/15
jazakallah

Dearest ahmad bhai, you need PCD only in case you plan to change the stock rims of your aahsiqui 2 to aftermarket ones. Tyre size is the same no difference, PCD only matters in case of Hub + rim.

and bro, isnt PCD to do with the rim and the hub only. i mean, PCD would remain same no matter which tyres u go for, right ? please correct me if i m wrong

Correct. PCD is the "pitch circle diameter", the diameter of a circle drawn through the center of the wheel's bolt holes.

[ahmad_yar]

Jazakallah mere bhayio for your guidence, frankly I am very poor in such technical things.
Yes wishing for aftermarket rims so noted its pcd is 100

The reason for mentioning tyer specifications was may be after market rims comes in differnt width size in view of tyer width so I understand rim width would be same and I just look for 4nuts 100 pcd rims

Pls correct me if I am wrong