Honda Civic 1997 VTi Engine Overhaul ( over heating reducing oil)

[afnan.bashir]

Its a gamble the world is not going to end if it doesnt work thats why iam not taking stress.it will be a lesson well taught or a good experience the mechanics at the honda pit shop cant fix a mirror properly with matching color nor could diagnose a burnt ac blower grip (were inisiting that it was a 25 k job) some times itS all about luck.

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It's always luck. Visit n number of dealers and you would get n/2 number of diagnosis for one problems

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[Xulfiqar]

Sorry yar but i had to say this.

DONT TRUST HONDA PIT STOP GO TO A GOOD RUNNING DEALERSHIP.

pitstops are small local workshops converted to pit stops by honda atlas cars, i think.

there is one in abpara market lahore n a friend's father got his car maintainted from it. it was a 2005 or 6 vti.

i had a 2002 vti maintained entirely from honda fort queens road.

both cars had substantial difference when the ran together in 2008. his car suked n mine was smooth.

its about the mechanic n he knows **** or knows only ****.
@Xulfiqar I heard from a person who knows cars a lot about cars that when overhalling an engine, block head should not be shaved or cleaned on a machine since it reduces height of the head and pistons go more towards the pistons than they should.
is it wise to clean the head only with cleaning agents n not a machine?
he says by reducing the height of head or block the engine sound changes n it overheats.
what is ur take on this?

You heard correct, shaving the head will cause the compression ratio to increase which leads to high temperature burn, In OHC engines the problem of mistimed camshaft also occurs due to excessive shaving/facing - meaning the total height of the engine reduces which then causes the belt/chain to sit a bit slack - when tightened by the tensioner the timing moves because the reduction in overall height is quite low compared to the tooth gap of the belt or link gap of the chain.

I dont know what has happened to the so called KHARADIA now a days.. I think that most of the workshops and kharadias are in contract that if you received any engine block or head you must of reface (shave it)... instead without checking and knowing that is there any need for refacing or not, and if needs refacing they shave it too much that any one them got bye bye, which only needs just only proper and minor sanding...

we are in this business (means lathe business) from more than 3 decades, but never ever do a reface of either head or engine block in first attempt. some of mechanics came to our workshop and they immediately say that head or blocks needs refacing, but we said to them first we check it if it needs refacing we will do other wise no need of it... and after refacing we also try to put small size connecting rods so pistons cannot sit above the engine block or direct hit to head... and ALHAMDULILLAH we never ever received any complaint from owners... Even we give them guarantee also for the work done...

In my seven years of stay in Pakistan for studies, I have seen many lathe workshop labor guys opened their own lathe workshop after left the workshop where they worked, and do a very pathetic job in very less amount. which results in creation of bad name and image of those lathe workshops which are experts and working since decades..

I think the problem is two fold.

1 - mechanics are not qualified now - as you are in this business you also know that if you start to take out head bolts without proper sequence you will crack or warp the head if you dont loosen them in the right pattern and in the right steps (at least 3 steps in TTY bolts)

2 - the machinists are there to loot money - they will shave any and everything to make money. The mechanic not being qualified cannot help and the machinist is in agreement with them to get business which also involves mandatory machining to run up the bill.

[faisalayub]

I think the problem is two fold.

1 - mechanics are not qualified now - as you are in this business you also know that if you start to take out head bolts without proper sequence you will crack or warp the head if you dont loosen them in the right pattern and in the right steps (at least 3 steps in TTY bolts)

2 - the machinists are there to loot money - they will shave any and everything to make money. The mechanic not being qualified cannot help and the machinist is in agreement with them to get business which also involves mandatory machining to run up the bill.

Agreed with you, the problem is at both ends, Head bolts required proper sequence while tightening and loosing... Thats why I already mentioned above that some of the so called "KARIGAR" labor who worked at lathe shops, worked for 3 4 years and say that am expert, now opened their own lathe shops and doing jobs in such a way that you cannot believe it... even some mechanics not bother to wash the engine block or head properly and thoroughly before fitting and if there comes any problem in engine they skip by just saying that KHARADIA NE ENGINE SAHI NAHI BNAYA" just to rip off money and creating bad image of lathe shops..

Even some lathe shop owners rip off too much money from the owner by showing that we have a quality work and they works like dumb. ALHAMDULILLAH we also repaired cracked block and jointed crank (known as jaur wali crank) upon customer request and never ever got any complaint.

Its not only the case of mechanic with machinists, same is the case of dealings between spare parts shop and mechanic...

[saadkhangul]

Is she alive ? Did she survive the bypass conducted by hathorra surgeon ?

[margallar]

i once asked the ******** and a shitzuki dealership that can i just get my head fixed without messing with the block (at that time i used to think only my engine head was bad) and the manager said that overhauling the head without doing the block will not work

now i know why it won't, the shaved head would reduce clearance between the piston top and the valves. if what i understand is correct, then these guys are complete retards

[Xulfiqar]

Agreed with you, the problem is at both ends, Head bolts required proper sequence while tightening and loosing... Thats why I already mentioned above that some of the so called "KARIGAR" labor who worked at lathe shops, worked for 3 4 years and say that am expert, now opened their own lathe shops and doing jobs in such a way that you cannot believe it... even some mechanics not bother to wash the engine block or head properly and thoroughly before fitting and if there comes any problem in engine they skip by just saying that KHARADIA NE ENGINE SAHI NAHI BNAYA" just to rip off money and creating bad image of lathe shops..

Even some lathe shop owners rip off too much money from the owner by showing that we have a quality work and they works like dumb. ALHAMDULILLAH we also repaired cracked block and jointed crank (known as jaur wali crank) upon customer request and never ever got any complaint.

Its not only the case of mechanic with machinists, same is the case of dealings between spare parts shop and mechanic...

so they are completely cool with assembling the engine with metal swarf in it? The other oddity I see is that mechanics in Pakistan would wash the engine with petrol after it came from machining. - What good would that do??? you need a surfactant to remove the swarf

surfactant = soap
soap = detergent.

and lots of hot water and some brushes

clean till you can wipe a clean white cotton cloth and nothing sticks to it. Thats how I do it.

[janleva]

Drove back home with my baby full torque and power even at lower rpms no leaks or bad errors and the engine is just like new no vibrations or funny sounds ..

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[janleva]

I cheked the surface of piston and cylinder head the piston could easily be felt below the cylinder head that was a good sign

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[janleva]

Though the mechanic said dont go out of city its fine for city driving till it breaks in

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[janleva]

Next weekend will be the suspenion and breaks and a new silencer (the current one might be clogged)

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[janleva]

Today i bought a kabli radiators of honda worth 5000 after giving old radiator its of Denso and came with its own fan

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[saadkhangul]

Good. But where are the pictures ?

[janleva]

Will be posting them was a bit exhausted spent all day at the workshop after bunking office also made a video of the engine firing up

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[janleva]

They didnt use any hathora another same model civic vti was also awaiting a engine job the owner of it brought a rusted vtec engine new engine the condition of the engine was scary . Hopefully they will do the same with that engine after they open it up and change parts bla bla

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[saadkhangul]

post a soon as possible.

[janleva]

things what i purchased today 3 set of belts, A Honda Denso double NALI radiator some nut bolts= 600+5000+200=5800
here they are

[janleva]

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[janleva]

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[Xulfiqar]

They didnt use any hathora another same model civic vti was also awaiting a engine job the owner of it brought a rusted vtec engine new engine the condition of the engine was scary . Hopefully they will do the same with that engine after they open it up and change parts bla bla

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the only way you can repair such a rusted engine is to replace the block. The block face is literally open as the cylinder liners are put in place and the block is cast around it. Once the material erodes from the face surface due to lack of coolant changes or using plain water as coolant you are required to change the block.

filling up with welding does not work as it creates stress points in the metal - aluminium is a pretty nuisance metal and it having stresses usually causes pain - the engine working at 90-100C (operating temp) will give the welded stuff a real hard time. (remember that if plain water etc can corrode casting it can also corrode your weld far more easily)

if you resleeved the block then it must have been a "epoxy bonded sleeve" as only the largest machining facilities in Pakistan had an engine oven. - even then when the sleeves are pushed out or pushed into such engines the block cracks.

[faisalayub]

so they are completely cool with assembling the engine with metal swarf in it? The other oddity I see is that mechanics in Pakistan would wash the engine with petrol after it came from machining. - What good would that do??? you need a surfactant to remove the swarf

surfactant = soap
soap = detergent.

and lots of hot water and some brushes

clean till you can wipe a clean white cotton cloth and nothing sticks to it. Thats how I do it.

Before doing any work we wash the engine block and head throughly with high pressure water and surf and for heavy junk also use ketosene. And after completing the job we also recommend same thing to mechanic that must wash throughly with high pressure water and surf...

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