Inverter Ac 2016

[theboss]

All the brands you have mentioned are well known Chinese garbage.

[livenkickin]

How is samsung inverter ac?

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[theboss]

kenwood and haier .

even though i have been told that haier is 5dc and kenwood is 3dc,

but i bought 2 kenwood 3dc 1.5 tons units and it chills room in 15 mints max and no problem with voltage fluctuation which is very common in Karachi now a days.

What the hell is 3DC and 5DC??

[archon2001]

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[theboss]

Read the thread carefully u will find the answer.
Btw thanks for the info regarding Chinese garbage ac, we as a nation are very much into selecting and buying garbage in all fields of life.

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It is the fault of the government to not have adequate quality controls in Place...such Chinese junk was also making way into Saudi market then govt established strict quality certification rules for electrical products and much of these junk has stopped..still some junk is making its way through manipulated test report and quality certificates but then no system is foolproof.

Recently i had to buy a bulk of air conditioners for project and frankly i found better quality deals at cheaper price from Japan and Thailand..right now the performance, quality and efficiency of Thai made units is far better than anything coming from China..because the entire Japanese manufacturing base is now producing out of Thailand...

Models sold by Samsung and LG in Pakistan are still Chinese junk...better to go for Japanese brand made in Thailand or there are even excellent Thai brands available..

[archon2001]

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[theboss]

Same Chinese junk has flooded US Market, on my recent visit almost 90% of the items bought from shelves are either made in China,Bangladesh or india, people there also know it is junk but to them its cheap and it do the job.
No matter how hard we try we will still end in buying sub standard low quality stuff in Pakistan coming from China as there is no law to control quality standard let it be A or C grade material.

In past I have used ac by SG Malaysia and Hitachi Japan , best was from Hitachi but now it's really hard to find parts for it , it stays in store .
Our people might end buying top brand but if that top brand have no support it will be a failure.
Recently was in market for new refrigerator loved the one from Hitachi it was simply too good as compare to LG and Samsung but it was brought by dealer as of personal baggage item no after sales parts and service warranty.
End up buying dawlance as it cover all requirement of 3s.

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US is a highly disposable society and they only need the goods for six months before it finds it way into garbage..for them junk makes sense...secondly the US invented cost cutting price-wars and now they are getting a taste of it... You cannot compare USA with Asian and European market where capital liquidity is tight and people need long term durable goods. Personally I hate goods breaking down often and then having to repair them..its better to buy something which serves me right for five years and then replace it.

Hitachi has a forever problem with dealers and after sales service so this brand is a total flop not only in Pakistan but other markets as well...

Dawlance and PEL have posed tough competition to imported brands and their performance for the up-scale models is as good as imported one..a refrigerator from inside is all void space..full of air..it is not economic in shipping wise to import them.

The best quality control is consumer awareness..if you deliberately bought junk..blame yourself and no one else...

I have a SG AC in Pakistan and it is working very well but I thin SG as a brand is defunct..if you need some good inverter AC probably I can sell you some.

[archon2001]

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[theboss]

Well slowly we are becoming disposable society too, one way or another our people need cheap and reliable items, for this jugar is our favourite play ground .
Yes true its consumer fault he bought a well advertised piece of junk but what else he could have done,
Our society mainly consists of middle class families and for them 100k for just 1ac is too much, so what they found 2 ac's of well advertised with same warranty and service period of Chinese origin in price of 1, they will for sure go for , hell I will go for it, as I am a part of highly growing disposable society who loves to change cell phone every week, who prefer to change normal tv to led/smart tv whenever he saw a latest model in market.

Bro this discussion can go miles in length but it will become of no use.
Tks for yr kind offer, perhaps on next purchase I will get in touch with u on inverter ac.
Take care and kind regards

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Well everyone is waking up to Chinese scams...exporting junk causes massive losses of forex reserves and no one is impact more badly than poor countries..because goods break frequently so they have to be imported frequently..

Poverty is also a sign of stupidity...and poor people remain poor due to their bad money management skills.

And the Chinese have mastered the art of exploiting the poor with fancy marketing..they don't feel sympathetic about it..

A wise man would go for one AC with good quality and efficiency which can last him for ten years.
A fool would go for two in the price of one and it is junk after two days.
Pakistanis do not have the purchasing power like Americans to become a disposeable society unless somehow PKR becomes the next reserve currency and we are able to print and consume as much as we can.

[livenkickin]

Currently all Acs have a good working life of 4 years unlike old models that used to run for years.
So why will a person spend double for a good brand when chinese r giving an ok performance.

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[matifkhan]

One major difference I have noted with Haier and Kenwood is that Haier is a much superior and established brand world wide. Kenwood seems to be some local made up brand that is available only in Pakistan. This is not that global Kenwood famous for its kitchen appliances. So a huge doubt is cast there. Second, Haier's website makes mention of all detailed specs about its products. Kenwood on the other hand gives a generic overview which again creates doubts. I recently bought Kenwood front loading fully automatic washing machine with A+ rating but I highly doubt its efficiency as my bill has gone up considerably. So, as far as the transparency is concerned, Haier beats Kenwood hands down. Another thing is that if you are getting an AC in same price Haier vs Kenwood, why would you not go for a reversible one. You might not use it but it is always an added feature. Specially in Islamabad, it can really come in handy when there is gas load shedding in winters. As far as cooling is concerned, I don't think there is any difference between Haier & Kenwood. Gree, I have heard, is above all these.

I would love to hear from anybody who has a different point of view on this.

[sherani]

I am searching for the Inverter AC which can really safe energy and give good cooling.
currently I am using normal split AC 1 Ton brand name Success its written on that its a brand on singapore.
recently my friend bought Haier DC AC and one of my relative have Gree DC 1 Ton .... I have checked the power consumption with the clamp Meter and found that both of them consumes same amount of electricity.

Haier Startup ampere is 4.75
After 10 mins 3.45
and later 2.5

Gree Startup Ampere is 5.75
after 10 mins 4.25
and later 2.25

These reading are taken when thermostat was set to 27C and 28C

and when we set the thermostat on 24C Gree was continuously consuming 5.75 amperes so it will save the energy if we set the temperature on 27 or 28

so my choice would be Haier as its 42K and Gree is 61K in karachi.

[FBB]

I am searching for the Inverter AC which can really safe energy and give good cooling.
currently I am using normal split AC 1 Ton brand name Success its written on that its a brand on singapore.
recently my friend bought Haier DC AC and one of my relative have Gree DC 1 Ton .... I have checked the power consumption with the clamp Meter and found that both of them consumes same amount of electricity.

Haier Startup ampere is 4.75
After 10 mins 3.45
and later 2.5

Gree Startup Ampere is 5.75
after 10 mins 4.25
and later 2.25

These reading are taken when thermostat was set to 27C and 28C

and when we set the thermostat on 24C Gree was continuously consuming 5.75 amperes so it will save the energy if we set the temperature on 27 or 28

so my choice would be Haier as its 42K and Gree is 61K in karachi.

What was the consumption of Haier after setting it on 24c ?

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[sherani]

What was the consumption of Haier after setting it on 24c ?

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sorry forget to do that but will check that aswell once my friend is back from pakistan tour hopefully he will be back by 30th July

[centos]

Haier needs at least 175 volts to work, that's what I read on their website and went with GREE which can work on as low as 150 volts, that at the moment has chilled my room from 35 to 26 in 30 mins while consuming 10.8 amps @ 160 volts = 1782 watts. Now only taking about 430 watts when 26 C has reached.

[sherani]

Haier needs at least 175 volts to work, that's what I read on their website and went with GREE which can work on as low as 150 volts, that at the moment has chilled my room from 35 to 26 in 30 mins while consuming 10.8 amps @ 160 volts = 1782 watts. Now only taking about 430 watts when 26 C has reached.

Which AC you are using and is this 1.5 Ton AC
on low volts it will consume more ameres
for example if watts are constant
Watts 1782 220 Volts then amperes will be 1782 / 220 = 8.1
Watts 1782 160 Volts them ampere will be 1782 / 160 = 11.13

I am not the expert but one expert told me the method of calculating the ameres is this rite ??
so I believe its better to put a stabilizer and run the AC on 220 Volts

[ali15144]

Which AC you are using and is this 1.5 Ton AC
on low volts it will consume more ameres
for example if watts are constant
Watts 1782 220 Volts then amperes will be 1782 / 220 = 8.1
Watts 1782 160 Volts them ampere will be 1782 / 160 = 11.13

I am not the expert but one expert told me the method of calculating the ameres is this rite ??
so I believe its better to put a stabilizer and run the AC on 220 Volts

I think one has to also include the power factor as energy is wasted in form of heat and other loses when electricity is consumed.
Power=ampere *volts *power factor

Power factor used are either 0.8 or 0.85 depending on efficiency

[centos]

Which AC you are using and is this 1.5 Ton AC
on low volts it will consume more ameres
for example if watts are constant
Watts 1782 220 Volts then amperes will be 1782 / 220 = 8.1
Watts 1782 160 Volts them ampere will be 1782 / 160 = 11.13

I am not the expert but one expert told me the method of calculating the ameres is this rite ??
so I believe its better to put a stabilizer and run the AC on 220 Volts

It's a 1.5 ton

I know why the amps are high, I don't worry about the amps, it's the power that matters.

Let me explain:
If an appliance need 2000 watts of power to perform its duty, it is going to consume 2000 watts, no matter if the volts are 180, 200 or 230. If volts are low, it just sucks more current but the power consumed remain the same. You only measure amps to multiply with the volts to calculate the power. Just measuring amps is a useless exercise.

example of my ac
220volts x 8.1amps = 1782 watts
160volts x 10.8amps = 1782 watts

Energy meters outside the houses measure your power consumed not the amperes.

Inverter AC's don't need any stabilizer. It's better to spend on appliances that can work on low volts instead of spending on stabilizers, most of them in our market are poorly designed and waste energy.

[sherani]

It's a 1.5 ton

I know why the amps are high, I don't worry about the amps, it's the power that matters.

Let me explain:
If an appliance need 2000 watts of power to perform its duty, it is going to consume 2000 watts, no matter if the volts are 180, 200 or 230. If volts are low, it just sucks more current but the power consumed remain the same. You only measure amps to multiply with the volts to calculate the power. Just measuring amps is a useless exercise.

example of my ac
220volts x 8.1amps = 1782 watts
160volts x 10.8amps = 1782 watts

Energy meters outside the houses measure your power consumed not the amperes.

Inverter AC's don't need any stabilizer. It's better to spend on appliances that can work on low volts instead of spending on stabilizers, most of them in our market are poorly designed and waste energy.

Thanks for the update so WATTS are important got it

[xeshan.1]

Guys can u guide me which inverter ac i should buy? Should be reliable and economical..

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