Italian vs. Japanese

[GSARider]

Not sure what you mean by Italian Bikes are not marketed properly - anyone heard of Piaggio or Vespa... Piaggio owns Aprilia & Moto Guzzi. Ducati have a huge market in Europe and also the US & Canada, as well as Japan, Australia, etc. They just don't make small bikes that are suitable for the South East Asian markets.

Technology wise, I'd buy a European bike - Italian, German or Austrian over a Jap made bike anyday. I've had bmw's for a number of years now and they've had abs and traction control way ahead of any jap manf's.

My current bikes have abs, traction control, tyre pressure monitors, shaft drive, telelever suspension, electronically adjustable suspension and much, much more.

Aprilia have some really cool machines out like the RSV4, BMW are just launching the S1000RR and the new R1200GS (now the highest selling big trail bike ever made), Piaggio are releasing their hybrid electric mp3, Ducati have their new Monster range as well as the really cool Streetfighter.

In most of the world, European bikes are thought to be more prestigious than any jap bike.

BMW's hold their value way better than any jap bike here in Europe, as do Ducati's.

[dr3vil]

Not sure what you mean by Italian Bikes are not marketed properly - anyone heard of Piaggio or Vespa... Piaggio owns Aprilia & Moto Guzzi. Ducati have a huge market in Europe and also the US & Canada, as well as Japan, Australia, etc. They just don't make small bikes that are suitable for the South East Asian markets.

Technology wise, I'd buy a European bike - Italian, German or Austrian over a Jap made bike anyday. I've had bmw's for a number of years now and they've had abs and traction control way ahead of any jap manf's.

My current bikes have abs, traction control, tyre pressure monitors, shaft drive, telelever suspension, electronically adjustable suspension and much, much more.

Aprilia have some really cool machines out like the RSV4, BMW are just launching the S1000RR and the new R1200GS (now the highest selling big trail bike ever made), Piaggio are releasing their hybrid electric mp3, Ducati have their new Monster range as well as the really cool Streetfighter.

In most of the world, European bikes are thought to be more prestigious than any jap bike.

BMW's hold their value way better than any jap bike here in Europe, as do Ducati's.

vespa i have one
and well technolgy wise yes but speed wise has no *** like Jap bikes like cars they have alot of addons or tunning mods available i never saw a vid of a turbo ducati only jap bikes and like jdm cars jap bikes are more prefered

[GSARider]

Jap bikes are preferred by whom? Adding turbos to bikes is not a common pastime - anywhere really.

Most superbikes put out 150 bhp+ so it's not a common pastime here in Europe. Even NOX kits aren't popular.

My sports bike (bmw) has a few modifications - race air filters, race exhaust and it has approx 175 bhp and is capable of 160 mph + (well I've had it up to 160 mph and it still could have gone further) and it'll do 0-60 mph in 2.6. seconds...

Aprilia & Ducati are famous for their fast bikes worldwide, so not sure where you get that they're not fast.

In any case, it's not all about speed, when most 1,000cc or over bikes are capable of a minimum of 140 mph, it also comes down to the quality of components used - all the fasteners, suspension, brakes, etc. Jap components tend to be of poorer quality than most European bikes, hence why Euro bikes have better reputations.

My bikes below:

[dr3vil]

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In any case, it's not all about speed, when most 1,000cc or over bikes are capable of a minimum of 140 mph, it also comes down to the quality of components used - all the fasteners, suspension, brakes, etc. Jap components tend to be of poorer quality than most European bikes, hence why Euro bikes have better reputations.

they have better reputations and im not denying them i will love to see some euro autos here for exapmle i like to have a golf GTI its a hard hittng car or a pegout 206 but the things is jap is more popular in ASIA as compaed to euro bikes or cars and where there is JDM there is engine tunning turbos etc!

[GSARider]

You're throwing in cars to the mix... essentially the Asian market is geared towards smaller capacity and lower power output cars, there's not a big sports car market. The european sports car market is geared towards high capacity engines in the main.

There are plenty of specific tuning houses in europe - AC Schnitzer, AMG, Abarth, Alpina, etc.

My current car is an Audi TT 3.2 DSG Convertible, which has a Milltek Exhaust, BMC Race filter / Induction kit and puts out 300bhp - enough for 160 mph - I don't need a turbo on it. I could get one, but I don't want or need it.

Previous to this i had a BMW 330 Ci Convertible, which was also around 300bhp and with plenty of tuning parts available.

I am buying a Fiat 500 Abarth SS next year in March as a second smaller car, which is a 1.4 litre turbo, with 160bhp - Abarth is a famous tuning house that does Fiats...

[Blackeye117]

Ducati's For me Over Any other Bike Any day .....

[internal_auditor]

Ducati's For me Over Any other Bike Any day .....

One for me 1198 (H)

[qwertypoiu]

i think
internal_auditor Vs Mods hoe jay to bathar ha

[internal_auditor]

Phir tu mein block

[mamehmood]

Not sure what you mean by Italian Bikes are not marketed properly - anyone heard of Piaggio or Vespa... Piaggio owns Aprilia & Moto Guzzi. Ducati have a huge market in Europe and also the US & Canada, as well as Japan, Australia, etc. They just don't make small bikes that are suitable for the South East Asian markets.

Technology wise, I'd buy a European bike - Italian, German or Austrian over a Jap made bike anyday. I've had bmw's for a number of years now and they've had abs and traction control way ahead of any jap manf's.

My current bikes have abs, traction control, tyre pressure monitors, shaft drive, telelever suspension, electronically adjustable suspension and much, much more.

Aprilia have some really cool machines out like the RSV4, BMW are just launching the S1000RR and the new R1200GS (now the highest selling big trail bike ever made), Piaggio are releasing their hybrid electric mp3, Ducati have their new Monster range as well as the really cool Streetfighter.

In most of the world, European bikes are thought to be more prestigious than any jap bike.

BMW's hold their value way better than any jap bike here in Europe, as do Ducati's.

I mean "marketing is right placement at right time for right people"
the products u described are not for middle class or lower middle class i hope it covers all about

[GSARider]

Surely Piaggio & Vespa are marketed to the 'right people'? The European manufacturers do not make many 125 / 250 bikes, so they're not really operating in the same market that you describe.

[RX115]

aprilia RS125-I love it.
the match winner

[lovebikes]

Although Japanese bikes are also good and have a fair share of market in all segments all over the world, but I think European bikes have slight edge on them and the reasons are well explained by GSArider. Japanese bikes are less costly comparatively so I think in the end it comes to personal preference and the money one can spend. My dream bikes r Ducati 999 and KTM 990 adventure so its Europe for me.

[7thgear]

I guess Japanese bikes are also popular because of the cost effect as they are cheaper as compared to Italian bikes and also easier and cheaper to maintain, plus more variety of bikes is available in Jap bikes as compared to the Italians.

[zxmco125]

well after reading the forum heading on discussion board first thing came in my mind that this topic is started by @internal_auditor

well i think Japanese bike is are popular in asia. no doubt that Japanese bike are popular in America and Europe but i think not more popular than there local company.

[rusty_racer94]

Both have their own besties
Like R1, CBR and GSX-R from Japan

and BMW and Ducati from Italy

[Blackeye117]

One for me 1198 (H)

@internal_auditor bahi mere liye bas ek ek yah

Monster
696
1100
1100S

Multistrada
1100
1100S

Superbike
848
1198
1198 S
1098 R
1098 R Bayliss Limited Edition

Hypermotard
1100
1100 S

Streetfighter
Streetfighter
Streetfighter S

Desmosedici RR (Specially This One )

[internal_auditor]

Both have their own besties
Like R1, CBR and GSX-R from Japan

and BMW and Ducati from Italy

lol BMW is from Germany

[GSARider]

Seems like this bike will be going into production from KTM next year...

Austrian motorcycle manufacturer KTM introduced the near series model of its 125 Project for the first time at EICMA 2009 in Milan last week. The bike, destined for the young motorcycle enthusiasts, is a 125 cc naked bike from KTM, developed by the same team that worked on bigger displacement bikes, such as the 690 Duke.

The design of the KTM 125 is a product of the company’s partner Kiska Design. The power unit, 100 percent developed in Mattighofen, is a 11 KW (15 hp) strong 125 cc engine with four valve cylinder head, two overhead camshafts, water cooling and fuel injection.

[jamaal]

@GSA
Good to hear a BMW affectionado being one myself too.
How do you think the F650 and its sibblings are considering that its a Rotax engine.