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[waqar_uae]

again i am very sorry to break another news on you that you are looking for an escape route, which is not a proper solution.

So what do you suggest ?

[2c]

If you are good in what you do - you get rewarded, its not that they lick gora skin or something on the same fetish. I have got experience in interviewing people outside of Pakistan for jobs. It was quite a sad affair when someone shows an incredible resume, yet fails a job interview becuase his experience was "shaagirdi" and his education was "rote"

So if you beleive this person will stand side to side with anyone with any color skin who has got sensible experience to bare bones level you are a little wrong.

it is the same mentality which you have seen before on PW that in USA or Canada desi people only drive taxi.
and you know about the recent affairs of my side which were started in jan this year still not resolved by mr. latt sabh.

[waqar_uae]

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[2c]

I am getting a job in Dubai but they are offering only 2000AED fixed PLUS COMMISSION (ranging from 1000 AED-3000AED/per month depending on the performance).

I think it's too low and it wont even cover my expenses ?

What should be the minimum amount according to my qualification and experience and how much accommodation will cost me ? I heard its too expensive.

in my opinion they are paying you the right amount.
according to your qualification combined with your experience they are offering you teh right amount.

accomodation varies, dont worry about it right now, just worry about the good job.

[istafa111]

Someone told me once 'If you want to see 100% implementation of Racism than go to Arab countries. A Gora & a Asian Bakistani or Indian etc doing the same job will have a Salary differences of 60%'

Is this True and do Sheiks hate Bakistanies that much? To avoid this you have to live like em, eat like em, dress like em and finally talk like em?

Not really... They don't hate Bakistanis but the fact is that most of the Sheikhs are proud and they just can't help it. Every person can show his worth. If you show that you are nothing, they won't consider you anything. But yes, they do have a salary difference... I think that is to benefit their people which are very few in quantity. But on the same side, they also pay other nationalities more than what they get in their countries and they pay it according to the worth they show.

what qualifications or experience did your freind have?

He is an MBA with experience in Sales and Marketing.

I am getting a job in Dubai but they are offering only [I]2000AED fixed PLUS COMMISSION (ranging from 1000 AED-3000AED/per month depending on the performance).

[/I]I think it's too low and it wont even cover my expenses ?

What should be the minimum amount according to my qualification and experience and how much accommodation will cost me ? I heard its too expensive.

If you have to take care of your expenses only, then you can take the risk. You wont be getting the lavish lifestyle or cars that you see here but can manage your own expenses. But if you opt for this job, you should accept it only to enter the UAE market. Once you are here, you can apply at different places as face to face interviews are preferred over telephonic ones. Plus, you would be getting UAE's experience that also counts a lot. If you have Dubai's or other Emirate's Driving License, it also benefits you. So these small things can add up but for them you have to be here.

Btw, if managed properly, ONE can live easily in 2000-4000 Dhs and can even save.

[Xulfiqar]

it is the same mentality which you have seen before on PW that in USA or Canada desi people only drive taxi.
and you know about the recent affairs of my side which were started in jan this year still not resolved by mr. latt sabh.

lol, latt sab..

[khanrocks]

I am getting a job in Dubai but they are offering only [I]2000AED fixed PLUS COMMISSION (ranging from 1000 AED-3000AED/per month depending on the performance).

[/I]I think it's too low and it wont even cover my expenses ?

What should be the minimum amount according to my qualification and experience and how much accommodation will cost me ? I heard its too expensive.

Firstly tell Me what is the job Description ?

Secondly AED 2000 plus commission without company provided living is a JOKE my friend .. Commission is just a way to bring you in and at the end of day they will give you a million justified reasons why u are NOT entitled to it ...

Even if you get sharing accommodation ( which would be your ONLY choice ) and that too in a certain area of Dubai, you would be spending a minimum 1000 of you rent and food and that would be Just basic with around 6 people in the room ... rest around 200-400 would be your traveling cost and cell phone cost minimum ... So you are left with 600 ... which means 600x24.50=Rs 14,700/-

So whats the point of leaving your Family and going though all this hassle ??

My Driver takes 3000/- with company provided Accommodation and he hardly makes ends meet.

Those days are Long gone when one used to work and SAVE money in UAE .. now they have created such a system here that it Makes sure what ever you earn you spend here in UAE ... no matter what you salary is ....

Satisfactory Salary in UAE is around AED 5k-6k with company provided residence or accommodation Allowance for a starter EDUCATED worker.

Also always consider a job which offers you a permanent salary and not a commission based salary ..

I think you should try to get a Job in Pakistan and gain some experience and be on a look out for Jobs abroad .. And pick the correct Job with patience cuz you want to make the correct decision the first time ....

Best of Luck ...

And if you need in help in UAE you can always PM me .. if you wanna inquire about certain company or JOb ... Atleast i can give you a heads up

[Xulfiqar]

Not really... They don't hate Bakistanis but the fact is that most of the Sheikhs are proud and they just can't help it. Every person can show his worth. If you show that you are nothing, they won't consider you anything. But yes, they do have a salary difference... I think that is to benefit their people which are very few in quantity. But on the same side, they also pay other nationalities more than what they get in their countries and they pay it according to the worth they show.

He is an MBA with experience in Sales and Marketing.

If you have to take care of your expenses only, then you can take the risk. You wont be getting the lavish lifestyle or cars that you see here but can manage your own expenses. But if you opt for this job, you should accept it only to enter the UAE market. Once you are here, you can apply at different places as face to face interviews are preferred over telephonic ones. Plus, you would be getting UAE's experience that also counts a lot. If you have Dubai's or other Emirate's Driving License, it also benefits you. So these small things can add up but for them you have to be here.

Btw, if managed properly, ONE can live easily in 2000-4000 Dhs and can even save.

The interview process in Pakistan is quite sad to be honest, a good job interview is one which explores your charecter with little insights into your experience and education, through that ones worth is determined. In Pakistan I have seen proper corrupt charecters getting appointed into high positions because they bark out technical terms and show book knowledge, but have no integrity, Im not pointing fingers to anyone here or general Pakistanis but what I have seen in Pakistan, due to this trait all juniors look up to these people as peers which is bad.

This sales and marketing experience tagged with an MBA degree would confuse most recruiters outside of Pakistan they are two completely different fields requiring completely different goals and avenues. I always tell anyone in a job to take one job by the horns, get cracking, beat it down to bits so you can understand it inside out - till it becomes second nature for you. Only then can you truly win, and trust me this latter mentioned quality is what recruiters look for.

In Pakistan most companies dont beleive in the value of human resource and get one person for 2 or more roles, while a proper working culture requires that everyone have their job and not someone else's along with yours.

[istafa111]

@ Khanrocks 100%!

[Xulfiqar]

I am getting a job in Dubai but they are offering only [I]2000AED fixed PLUS COMMISSION (ranging from 1000 AED-3000AED/per month depending on the performance).

[/I]I think it's too low and it wont even cover my expenses ?

What should be the minimum amount according to my qualification and experience and how much accommodation will cost me ? I heard its too expensive.

You are being promised 'gas' - i can guarantee it wont exist when you set foot in UAE, I suggest that you get into what you were educated on - use it to earn and keep on improving on it - you will see avenues open up themselves.

[khanrocks]

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If you have to take care of your expenses only, then you can take the risk. You wont be getting the lavish lifestyle or cars that you see here but can manage your own expenses. But if you opt for this job, you should accept it only to enter the UAE market. Once you are here, you can apply at different places as face to face interviews are preferred over telephonic ones. Plus, you would be getting UAE's experience that also counts a lot. If you have Dubai's or other Emirate's Driving License, it also benefits you. So these small things can add up but for them you have to be here.

Btw, if managed properly, ONE can live easily in 2000-4000 Dhs and can even save.

I don't Agree with a couple of Points you mentioned here

1. Well once you accept a Job in UAE you are bound to sign a contract of minimum 2 years and breaching a contract usually costs the employee fines etc

2. Also weather company gives a release or not with which you can get a job in other company or puts a ban of 6 months OR charges money to give you release ...

3. You can only Apply jobs online and i differ with the fact that you would be able to give interviews and look for other jobs while working for a company .. Cuz one has to do its JOB too and usually companies make you work like a A** and by the time you get back home you are just done ...

4. To get a Driver License takes TIME - MONEY - TIME and also if your company lets you apply for it or not .. Depends on Job Description in your Residence Permit.

5. in 2000 - 4000 one can only LIVE and Not save Much ... Sending money Back home DOES NOT count as Saving my friend ....

Working in UAE can be very fruit full but very complicated at times ... one should know what he/she is getting into ...

[istafa111]

The interview process in Pakistan is quite sad to be honest, a good job interview is one which explores your charecter with little insights into your experience and education, through that ones worth is determined. In Pakistan I have seen proper corrupt charecters getting appointed into high positions because they bark out technical terms and show book knowledge, but have no integrity, Im not pointing fingers to anyone here or general Pakistanis but what I have seen in Pakistan, due to this trait all juniors look up to these people as peers which is bad.

This sales and marketing experience tagged with an MBA degree would confuse most recruiters outside of Pakistan they are two completely different fields requiring completely different goals and avenues. I always tell anyone in a job to take one job by the horns, get cracking, beat it down to bits so you can understand it inside out - till it becomes second nature for you. Only then can you truly win, and trust me this latter mentioned quality is what recruiters look for.

In Pakistan most companies dont beleive in the value of human resource and get one person for 2 or more roles, while a proper working culture requires that everyone have their job and not someone else's along with yours.

True...

Well, the company was looking someone for Sales. He didn't have UAE's experience, that was the major blow. But the thing is, people aren't getting jobs in Pakistan... If they would have, no one would think of leaving their lives and move here.

[istafa111]

I don't Agree with a couple of Points you mentioned here

Yes... I might be wrong at most of the places as it has been a small amount of time since I am here. Time will clear the misconceptions...

1. Well once you accept a Job in UAE you are bound to sign a contract of minimum 2 years and breaching a contract usually costs the employee fines etc

2. Also weather company gives a release or not with which you can get a job in other company or puts a ban of 6 months OR charges money to give you release ...

Yes, but people can leave the previous job if they get a higher salary from the second firm. That's how we are working at least... If you get stuck in a very bad place with Budu's on your head, then things can be difficult therefore I mentioned "risk".

1. You can only Apply jobs online and i differ with the fact that you would be able to give interviews and look for other jobs while working for a company .. Cuz one has to do its JOB too and usually companies make you work like a A** and by the time you get back home you are just done ...

People do hunt for jobs even when they are employed. It is difficult to manage but not impossible. Yes you do apply online, but I see thousands of youngsters on "Tourist" visas looking for jobs and giving interviews.

1. To get a Driver License takes TIME - MONEY - TIME and also if your company lets you apply for it or not .. Depends on Job Description in your Residence Permit.

Yes... It requires money... But Dubai's driving license is like a degree...
Again, as you said, it depends on the job description. I mentioned this point as for certain jobs, I have seen companies giving priority to the ones with local license as they can move easily.

1. in 2000 - 4000 one can only LIVE and Not save Much ... Sending money Back home DOES NOT count as Saving my friend ....

Okay... I agree with you again...
But just look at the circumstances... An engineer Graduate/Masters with not much experience if gets lucky, gets a job in Pakistan and gets a Salary of 30,000 PKR.

Can one manage? Can one contribute to his house? I don't think so... Okay, sending back money isn't saving but at least he's contributing... So if you are living a good life in Pakistan... You have cars and servants at home... Your father is earning good... You are not the only one to earn... Then don't come here... You won't be getting all those luxuries...

Working in UAE can be very fruit full but very complicated at times ... one should know what he/she is getting into ...

This sums up everything... It is complicated... Very very complicated... I was discussing the same thing with RacerF1 a few weeks ago... People think getting in UAE would make their lives easier... But everything has got their cons. Unfortunately now a days, UAE has got many...

One should think a hundred times before coming here. I have seen people returning back after a year or two thus wasting precious time...

[v8]

well explained by khanrocks..

just to add, from your qualification & current experience.. to be honest, it will be 1 from 100 that any company here would offer you more than 5k AED. I'm telling you the reality.

Many of my friends & xyz references come here for job-search on visit visa, quite regularly. Some of em get reasonable jobs and some return back unsuccessful after 2-3 months efforts + $$ spent.

To give some evidences, three recent examples of my friends who came on 3 months visit for job-hunt;
1. MBA from UK, 2 years exp in Mkt, was max offered 5k aed after 2 months search!! Guy was wise, didn't accepted, went back home and now happily working in PK, living with family.
2. Graduate with 4 Years experience working in France (Paris) in Travelling field + 3 Years exp in PK, max offered around 6k aed.. he has no family bounding so he accepted the offer. Living on sharing basis with other bachelors.
3. BBA - 4 Years exp in Admin/Secretarial role in PK (top-notch UN, Telenor experience). Max salary offered was 4k aed + residence. Accepted & then resigned after 15 days due to 12-14 hours work a day, 6 days a week, with a mad Paki boss on head.

I'm not demoralizing anyone, just telling the facts on ground.

Apart, its true that there are many many success stories as-well, but behind most of these, there are some differentiating factors, like loads of good experience in your field wrapped with some good academics & offcourse good luck!! No wonder, I know some Paki friends who are earning 35k to 45k aed per month + benefits.

[khanrocks]

This sums up everything... It is complicated... Very very complicated... I was discussing the same thing with RacerF1 a few weeks ago... People think getting in UAE would make their lives easier... But everything has got their cons. Unfortunately now a days, UAE has got many...

One should think a hundred times before coming here. I have seen people returning back after a year or two thus wasting precious time...

Now We talking the same Language Brother

well explained by khanrocks..

just to add, from your qualification & current experience.. to be honest it will be 1 from 100 that any company here would offer you more than 5k AED. I'm telling you the reality.

Many of my friends & xyz references come here for job-search on visit visa quite regularly, some of em get reasonable jobs and some return back unsuccessful after 2-3 months efforts + $$ spent.

To give some evidences, three recent examples of my friends who came on 3 months visit for job-hunt;
1. MBA from UK, 2 years exp in Mkt, was max offered 5k aed in 2 months search!! Guy was wise, didn't accepted, went back home and now happily working in PK, living with family.
2. Graduate with 4 Years experience working in France in Travelling field + 3 Years exp in PK, max offered around 6k aed.. he has no family bounding so he accepted the offer. Living on sharing basis with other bachelors.
3. BBA - 4 Years exp in Admin/Secretarial role in PK (top-notch UN, Telenor experience). Max salary offered was 4k aed + residence. Accepted & then resigned after 15 days due to 12-14 hours work a day, 6 days a week, with a mad Paki boss on head.

I'm not demoralizing anyone, just telling the facts on ground.

Apart, its true that there are many many success stories as-well, but behind most of those, there are some differentiating factors, like loads of good experience in your field wrapped with some good academics & offcourse good luck!! No wonder, I know some Paki friends who are earning 35k to 45k aed per month + benefits.

Right ON !!!

[istafa111]

Bara mushkil zamana aa gaya hai yaar...

[v8]

Someone told me once 'If you want to see 100% implementation of Racism than go to Arab countries. A Gora & a Asian Bakistani or Indian etc doing the same job will have a Salary differences of 60%'

Is this True and do Sheiks hate Bakistanies that much? To avoid this you have to live like em, eat like em, dress like em and finally talk like em?

It is somewhat true, not exactly racism but in HR terms you can say it like that, salary of a new shortlisted candidate in UAE is appraised according to his last pay-slip (one of the factor).
For a Pakistani earning PKR 100k a month would make only 4k AED for UAE and on other side a gora with last salary of say USD 5k makes 17k-18k AED. Simply, he'll negotiate better, whereas paki or indian will not!
And no, uae locals don't hate Pakistanis

[humsafar77]

To Original Poster.

My friend, Dont want to Discourage you in any way. but what the above UAE residents said is hundred percent right. So I dont want to add any thing more. Dubai (even All GCC) is not a Bed of Roses, as people in Pakistan thinks, Here you have t be extremely Lucky along with other factors to land a very good Job,

With UAE experience of 8+ years I am trying to switch the Job, but cant, this is totally a reference marker.

Though On positive side, if you can afford, you should come to Dubai on Visit Visa and try here, this will alteast increase your chances to land a Job rather that applying on line from Pakistan.

So you have basically UAE and Bahrain to decide where to go and search for Job, Since Kuwait has banned pakistanis for any visa, Qatar is also not issuing Resident Visa for Pakistanis (A very big rumor now a days), In Saudia you cant go on visit visa)

[2c]

It is somewhat true, not exactly racism but in HR terms you can say it like that, salary of a new shortlisted candidate in UAE is appraised according to his last pay-slip (one of the factor).
For a Pakistani earning PKR 100k a month would make only 4k AED for UAE and on other side a gora with last salary of say USD 5k makes 17k-18k AED. Simply, he'll negotiate better, whereas paki or indian will not!
And no, uae locals don't hate Pakistanis

you forgot to mention the amount with with telecom are firing tech and admin peoplr.

recent merger of 3 telecom giants is a very good example some thing is not going right, china is taking over the control.

[capsat]

my driver plus office-boy with 8 class report card & school certificate of some Bannu school we pay him 2500 lumpsum Plus over time if applicable (when families are visiting). - he lives in a shared DERA.

The Resident Manager is an MBA from IBA KHI was hired at 7000 dirhams plus car & fuel, he lives on his own expense. At visa renewal in September 2012 raise is planned but will remain in 4 digits.