Labor Laws and Office working hours abuse

[Juste]

I have seen some Labour Law in Google. Google it you will find the whole document.

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[asjdsm]

check what certifications/standards a particular company posesses and read what that code means .. then dig into relevant codes..

squeaze this info form hr etc ..

but frankly most companies abuse their resources..

[tyrant_heart]

well in our company anything above 40 hours/week is overtime and paid 1.5 times for that

but my bro a developer in Pakistan said that in his previous company there was a trend of late sitting and that was pain as you sit for nothing but trend......need to have strict laws

[sk_cooldayz]

Other than working hours, what about the laws on leave with pay. What are its laws? minimum mandatory leave or something after 1 year term?

[vickytulla]

Yes i did googled and found few Document (Huge PDF) with recomendations but no "Officially Enforced law" just recomendations... it feels like Govt has not worked out in this area and pvt limited are abusing it with a free hand.

Problem I am facing is that one of my "outsourced" developer to another company and at my facility we have a habit of 8 hours daily sprints starting with stand up meeting and 5 days a week and that is 40hours.

But there, he has to work for almost 9.5 some times 10hours and he is on his hoves now.. I might haev to pull him back and send some one else...

[capsat]

size of an enterprise & the enterprise registration with SECP / Provincial Registrar of companies under ACT of 1934 plays the role for implementation of Labour laws.

Plus at the time of hiring contract terms, and job description is most important document, plays critical role when challenging an employer in court.

everyone knows verbal high claims / promises but when it comes to courts, LAW need sustainable documentary evidence.

question: how many of respected members suggesting / offering input above,

have seen an actual employment contract mutually signed by employee & employer? if such document exist, please read again and contact a labour lawyer

[archon2001]

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[nfssaad]

private/seth companies frequently abuse this law, cant do anything about it.

[Xulfiqar]

there is no actual labour law in Pakistan as all the documents are technically invalid (I have been down that path once) The classification of labour is absent and hence is sometimes abused by implementing on all walks of life.

Secondly, as capsat said - you need to negotiate on paper what you are signing up for, e.g. if your company has provided you a cell phone, laptop and a vehicle you are working for them round the clock. This needs to be on paper as factual evidence and not simply regarded as a perk. The challenge in a court of law only holds water if you are violated on anything that was negotiated at the time of employment on paper.

Verbal agreement in Pakistan is completely invalid and holds no binding in a court of law.

[vickytulla]

Unfortunately i had to revoke the contract because its Ramadan and no one in my team would have been happy to sit late... and summer coupled with heavy load shedding is bringing people to there knees already...
Even though i lost the contract i know they will have to come back to me because we offered the best... but even if they don't i learned a lesson to put every detail on paper because there is no such thing which we can consider q "a gentlemen agreement"

[ahmed2396]

you say labour laws in Pakistan. I work 12hours everyday sometimes more then this also but i only get paid for 8hours and this is for Dubai.

[margallar]

banks are doing similar stuff, my brother who works in Allied bank sometimes goes to the bank at midnight for the damn ATM machine, and no there is no compensation for this

[qwertypoiu]

lets look at the minimum wage law which is Now 13000 but its a fact that govt employes at contract get 6-8k

[haroonusman70]

go through with this videos link you will understand all

[haroonusman70]

just watch this video you will understand all that about labor laws in Pakistan

[chemist]

Case-I: Its 8 hours a day for 5 working days week
Case-II: Its 7 hours a day for Monday to Saturday except 5 hours for Friday
Thus both of above totals to 40 hours a week
Making it 40 hours times 50 weeks per year that is 2000 working hours per year. It is worth mentioning that 2 weeks are your earned leaves (leave with full pay)
Examples:
Case-I: Banks, Corporate Sector etc
Case-II: Other Public Offices observing 6 working days schedule etc

Exemptions: These working hours are only for Labors, Staff and other people not on Managerial or Supervisory positions. People on Managerial or Supervisory Positions are not Time Bound. They are Work Bound. Like wise people in Essential Services like Military, Strategic Organisations Doctors and Paramedical Staff etc are also not Time Bound rather Work Bound. These people get benefit instead in terms of Privileges

Over Time: A worker can be allowed to work for 1 hour Over Time per 8 hours work day and he/she will be paid accordingly.

Office Time:
Case-I: 0900 Hrs till 1700 Hrs (Without Break) OR 0830 Hrs to 1730 Hrs (With 1 Hour Break Can be adjusted anywhere in mid time)
Case-II: 0730 Hrs till 1430 Hrs (Without Break) and 0730 Hrs till 1230 Hrs (Without Break ) for Friday

Important: Schools have duplication. Students and Children are not Worker so they will not observe these Timings. Teachers are Workers so they will observe these Timings. However again people on Managerial Positions in Schools will also remain Work Bound.

Discussion: All of what is given above is "Indirect Extract" from several sources mainly ILO Regulations, Establishment Code, Other relevant Laws and Constitution of Pakistan. There is no such clear thing exist regarding Working Hours. And yes there is Work Time Abuse among us. But just hold your breath, relax your nerves, cool your mind and then Closely Look at Office Times above. Now ask yourself a question. Are we righteous to ask about Working Times? If your answer is Yes then please Read and Understand again and again First Ayat of Sura Mutaf_Fafeen
(وَيْلٌ لِّلْمُطَفِّفِينَ - 83:1 الَّذِينَ إِذَا اكْتَالُوا عَلَى النَّاسِ يَسْتَوْفُونَ - 83:2 وَإِذَا كَالُوهُمْ أَو وَّزَنُوهُمْ يُخْسِرُونَ - 83:3أَلَا يَظُنُّ أُولَٰئِكَ أَنَّهُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ - 83:4

Advice: Read your Contact Agreement thoroughly. Exceptions are always there. First decide which Role you are in then look for your output and then ask for Reward. If not rewarded, fight and stand for your right but DONOT ABUSE IN RETURN

[greyhound]

Excellent.... this ought to be the best message on the issue of "Over Time".... atleast, now i m fully satisfied wid my job

[vickytulla]

I needed this detail so badly .. thank you Adil.

[s55]

My experience of working in Karachi was a nightmare. People are so unprofessional at work place be it an engineer an MBA or whoever. Colleague play dirty politics and you have to be a part of it. If you dont be a part then either you resign under pressure, which I did, or they throw you out. There are no working hours and your supervisor misuses you in anyway possible. I worked in Karachi in two places and resigned from both the places, flew abroad and those were the best decisions I made. Believe me we are not a great nation, the way we behave and act. I have worked with all nationalities and found Britishers to be the best people to work with. If you want to groom yourself, learn manners, improve you communication, pressure and people handling skills then work with Britishers. But none of those skills will be usable in Pakistan, since its all dirty. I know some will criticize me and would call me a traitor what not but thats the harsh reality. We are in a mess in Pakistan because we are the mess. Its not about education since I am talking about the most educated lot here.

[vickytulla]

I would not blame karachi alone; work ethics are no different in Lahore and Islamabad as well, have been working in 9 ~ 5 office for more then a decade now, but I did noticed that not the office, not all the people were bad, but yes number of "black sheeps" were too damn high.