Maintaining UPS/car batteries

[talhawaleed]

bro cn we change Amp-hr ratings of a Homage UPS?? If yes then how to do it plz guide and plz also guide me how to make electrolyte at home?? Many thanx

First and second page of this forum explains how to prepare an electrolyte. Important thing is you need to prepare distilled water and then once its ready then I suggest that you take an help of battery shop and ask him that you only want clean electrolyte just be prepared with distilled water. provide him with separate clean container.

I have no experience with Homage UPS systems. Most of us have local UPS systems and that?s why I started this forum as you can change the charging rate on that UPS.

[talhawaleed]

any solution?? therz a guy selln turbo charger for such UPS's so is that thing of any use??

Member above named saadzz said that homage UPS does not have any option to change the charging rate. UPS its self acts as an charger but I guess, you cannot change the charging rate on this specific UPS. If ever you are looking for a charger then I would suggest that you buy local UPS of 2000 Watt as we can change the charging rate on this UPS. Don’t waist your money on buying external charger as its not practical to charge the batteries and then use it once lights are gone.

[whiteangel]

I have an Aurora UPS and it is also slow at charging batteries. Is it possible to connect an external charger to the battery while the UPS is connected and have them both charge the battery at the same time? That would bump up the charging amps.

[slakr]

I would say, information provided is not enough to point towards the real issue

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[*]What is the rating of your UPS
[*]What is the charging rates of batteries (amps)
[*]What is the cutoff Voltage at battery terminal once UPS stops charging the batteries. You need to measure this once you think that UPS will stop charging the battery at any moment. You can also do it once batteries are fully charged, put the entire load on UPS for 5 seconds and then turn on the connection from WAPDA and let it charge the batteries. It will do so for few minutes where you can easily measure the cutoff Voltage on battery terminal.
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thanks for providing data related to specific gravity, conditions of caps but I need more data to help you out.

One more thing, don?t remain in any illusion that anyone within Pakistan is going to entertain any of the warranties. Name warranty is the biggest fraud in this country and also manufacturers knows that people kill their batteries for all the wrong reasons and even if there is a right reason, you wont be able to prove it to them or argue in-front of illiterate shopkeeper or even with the manufacturer.

Sir the device used to calculate these? Hydrometer is used for the checking the gravity but what about that 2and 3 option.

Secondly please tell me why doesn't AGS comes up bigger than 200AH battery where as Pheonix comes up till 260AH ..is there any difference between these two... i've heard these two manufactures of batteries are best in PK.Volta is so so.

[HassanS]

The electrician told me to check ups battery's water every week, i ignored him. Now, i came across this thread. This reminded me of the battery, how do i maintain it? I mean should i fill it with normal tap water or i be needing special kind of liquid for it?

[talhawaleed]

I have an Aurora UPS and it is also slow at charging batteries. Is it possible to connect an external charger to the battery while the UPS is connected and have them both charge the battery at the same time? That would bump up the charging amps.

No don?t do this, UPS also charges the battery whereas charger also charges the battery. If you are charging the battery using both then once lights will go off the direction of current will changed by UPS whereas first it was charging and now its taking the current back( we know that it does in case of DC )whereas your secondary charger will still be charging the batteries and this can cause explosion or fire.

I would say, better try to sell this UPS and buy a local one available in market. Or get it checked by an expert technician, it may have an option to change the charging rate.

[talhawaleed]

Sir the device used to calculate these? Hydrometer is used for the checking the gravity but what about that 2and 3 option.

Secondly please tell me why doesn't AGS comes up bigger than 200AH battery where as Pheonix comes up till 260AH ..is there any difference between these two... i've heard these two manufactures of batteries are best in PK.Volta is so so.

A Multimeter has an option to measure Voltage and Current. Look into this image as this meter can measure both so you need one if ever you want to do small diagnosis. I would say, that every house should have one such meter as its very helpful in variety of home applications.

Now if AGS does not develops a battery with capacity larger then 200 AMP-HR whereas Pheonix does then this is a marketing strategy. Whatever one says, if manufacturing process is not faulty then every lead acid battery is manufactured using same processes so normally I prefer one which has lower rates.

I myself am using two Pheonix 220 batteries at home as it was cheaper at time I bought and had more capacity then its counter parts if you compare the rates and above all, It is performing flawlessly from last one year.

I guess now people have realized that its not a bad battery so rates must have gone up.

[talhawaleed]

The electrician told me to check ups battery's water every week, i ignored him. Now, i came across this thread. This reminded me of the battery, how do i maintain it? I mean should i fill it with normal tap water or i be needing special kind of liquid for it?

You need distilled water to top up the batteries. This forum explains if you had prepared the electrolyte from distilled water and used it till date then these batteries will last minimum from two years to maximum three years and even more.

I have already told a member that I bough this phenonix batteries 220 last year and filled it with the electrolyte prepared with distilled water. UPS is adjusted properly so its performing flawlessly from last one year. I have kept a bottle full of distilled water on side of these batteries but till now I never felt the need to topup as level is still full.

Depends upon case to case, but its very essential that batteries not be allowed to run dry.

[mfdarvesh]

I prepare my own electrolyte once needed but I have heard the PRYO company develops and sell electrolytes. Secondly, if its taking long to charge the battery then find its AMP-HR rating, divide that by 10 and increase the charging rate on batteries.

Brother, where in Islamabad this PRYO electrolyte is available ????
I asked many battery dealers and they simple laugh on me

A Multimeter has an option to measure Voltage and Current. Look into this image as this meter can measure both so you need one if ever you want to do small diagnosis. I would say, that every house should have one such meter as its very helpful in variety of home applications.

Now if AGS does not develops a battery with capacity larger then 200 AMP-HR whereas Pheonix does then this is a marketing strategy. Whatever one says, if manufacturing process is not faulty then every lead acid battery is manufactured using same processes so normally I prefer one which has lower rates.

I myself am using two Pheonix 220 batteries at home as it was cheaper at time I bought and had more capacity then its counter parts if you compare the rates and above all, It is performing flawlessly from last one year.

I guess now people have realized that its not a bad battery so rates must have gone up.

Good
Yes Phonix XP175 is now selling in Rs 11,000
I my self is satisfied with Volta and everyone on this forum hate it
but it is also fact that our battery manufactures do something bad with their products if they are selling good to earn more

so I guess, every time one may change brand

Two years before, Mercury UPSs were very classic, but their present model don't last even 20 days, so every dealer is not recommending them.

Brother, can you please suggest me a good UPS available in these days ?????

[faizanahmad]

Brother, where in Islamabad this PRYO electrolyte is available ????
I asked many battery dealers and they simple laugh on me

I also visited few battery dealers but they act like all customers are dumb.
So I bought AGS 175 battery without electrolyte, bought 30KG Electrolyte container from pyro for 650 Rs and filled the battery myself at home. Its been month and battery is working fine.

[talhawaleed]

I also visited few battery dealers but they act like all customers are dumb.
So I bought AGS 175 battery without electrolyte, bought 30KG Electrolyte container from pyro for 650 Rs and filled the battery myself at home. Its been month and battery is working fine.

I am surprised that PRYOCHEM is selling electrolyte in 30kg drum, then it must be of goof quality. This seems like a cheaper option to buy 30kg prepared electrolyte for Rs 650. Can you please tell us where can other users buy this product from. Your reply will help many and off-course batteries will last longer with this electrolyte. did you check the gravity??? what was it

[talhawaleed]

 <a href='https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/user/mfdarvesh'>[B]mfdarvesh[/B]</a>

I cant exactly tell you the name as every shop keeper has put his own name on UPS. They have simple generic casings where all other components are attached separately such as Inverter, Transformer, UPS cards and it looks like this.

Look for 2000Watt UPS and attach two batteries of Pheonix 220 and rest you can run your entire house on this UPS which will include two lights and a fan for every room.

P.S: let these batteries guys laugh as all they care is that your batteries dies quickly so you have to buy a new one.

[whiteangel]

No don?t do this, UPS also charges the battery whereas charger also charges the battery. If you are charging the battery using both then once lights will go off the direction of current will changed by UPS whereas first it was charging and now its taking the current back( we know that it does in case of DC )whereas your secondary charger will still be charging the batteries and this can cause explosion or fire.

Talha, when the light goes off then it will shut off the external charger as well, i don't see why it would be a fire risk. But I am just wondering if attaching an external charger can cause the UPS to malfunction, that is what's bothering me. If it does, then I will obviously disconnect the UPS from the battery and use the external charger to charge the battery before reconnecting it to the UPS.

The load in my home is divided on two UPS so I will temporarily shift all the load on the other UPS while the other battery is being charged by the external charger.

The only reason I want to use an external fast charger is to keep the battery in a charged condition as much as possible, because if they stay on a low charge it will lead to sulphation and reduce their usable life. Now a days due to 12 hour loadshedding, both batteries remain in a 30% charged state.

The other option is to get a local UPS, but that would be far more expensive than getting a charger and secondly the 2 Aurora UPS I have are sine wave models so i don't think it would be good to replace it with a local UPS which does not even output the right waveform.

[whiteangel]

I am surprised that PRYOCHEM is selling electrolyte in 30kg drum, then it must be of goof quality. This seems like a cheaper option to buy 30kg prepared electrolyte for Rs 650. Can you please tell us where can other users buy this product from. Your reply will help many and off-course batteries will last longer with this electrolyte. did you check the gravity??? what was it

I am also using Pyro Electrolyte in both my batteries. Gravity is perfect for battery. My 30 kg drum is almost finished and I am going to order another one soon. To order one just call them and they will deliver it to your home in Lahore. Not sure if they deliver to other cities. Their contact details are below.

Pyro Chemical Co
96-C Bank Square, Model Town, Lahore
35839278
35854646

[saadzzz]

I am also using Pyro Electrolyte in both my batteries. Gravity is perfect for battery. My 30 kg drum is almost finished and I am going to order another one soon. To order one just call them and they will deliver it to your home in Lahore. Not sure if they deliver to other cities. Their contact details are below.

Pyro Chemical Co
96-C Bank Square, Model Town, Lahore
35839278
35854646

Itni jaldi drum khatam bhi ho gaya :o

[HassanS]

You need distilled water to top up the batteries. This forum explains if you had prepared the electrolyte from distilled water and used it till date then these batteries will last minimum from two years to maximum three years and even more.

I have already told a member that I bough this phenonix batteries 220 last year and filled it with the electrolyte prepared with distilled water. UPS is adjusted properly so its performing flawlessly from last one year. I have kept a bottle full of distilled water on side of these batteries but till now I never felt the need to topup as level is still full.

Depends upon case to case, but its very essential that batteries not be allowed to run dry.

would water from purification plant work?

[whiteangel]

Itni jaldi drum khatam bhi ho gaya :o

One 200AMP battery takes about 8-9 litres of electrolyte. Two batteries would take about 18 litres
And one battery was flushed about 6 months back so in total about 27 litres of electrolyte has been used.

30 kilos seems a lot but once you start filling up these huge batteries it disappears quite quickly

[saadzzz]

Ohh.... u were right..... Batteries look like a box but when u pour electrolyte in the cells of Batteries. They absorb huge amount........

[talhawaleed]

Talha, when the light goes off then it will shut off the external charger as well, i don't see why it would be a fire risk. But I am just wondering if attaching an external charger can cause the UPS to malfunction, that is what's bothering me. If it does, then I will obviously disconnect the UPS from the battery and use the external charger to charge the battery before reconnecting it to the UPS.

The load in my home is divided on two UPS so I will temporarily shift all the load on the other UPS while the other battery is being charged by the external charger.

The only reason I want to use an external fast charger is to keep the battery in a charged condition as much as possible, because if they stay on a low charge it will lead to sulphation and reduce their usable life. Now a days due to 12 hour loadshedding, both batteries remain in a 30% charged state.

The other option is to get a local UPS, but that would be far more expensive than getting a charger and secondly the 2 Aurora UPS I have are sine wave models so i don't think it would be good to replace it with a local UPS which does not even output the right waveform.

1. Once light comes in there is a delay and entire load is still on batteries whereas UPS takes 2-3 seconds to switch over to WAPDA in order to ensure a your computers does not turns off. So as soon as light will come then external charger will start charging and those 3 seconds can be deadly. You can also observe this
2. If you can disconnect the batteries and charge it using external charge then it will work. Remember it?s a lot of hazel to do so every time as our UPS sits quietly in our stores and continues to provide you with an automated solution with a Voltmeter in main hall if you have one gives you instant indication of how well batteries are maintaining charge and in case of problem which you might experience after 6-7 months, you may need to go and look into things. Good adjusted UPS takes care of lot of your headeque but right now you are asking for headeque.
3. Fast charging is one thing and cutoff Voltage is yet another thing. Charging rate depends directly on capacity of your batteries so I don?t know if your external charger will have the capacity of match something like AMP-HR rating/10 which is maximum allowable charging rate but on local UPS we can do these adjustments.
4. I remember, I bought 2000 WATT UPS for around 7700 Rs some four years back and it was the cheapest available in College Road. But their was a catch as UPS card was faulty where seller was trying to trick me but after testing I made him change the card. Anyway you can buy that for around Rs 10k to 12k.
5. Last of all, I am not comfortable with idea of two charges working simultaneously(UPS + External) as there are number of more factors and my mind does not agrees with it. Rest is your choice if you want to experiment.

P.S: I think many are confused regarding this sine wave stuff. These UPS cards have a variable from where you can easily adjust the frequency of sine wave but we need a specific equipment for that and UPS shop have it and they can easily do the adjustment. What is sine wave, why is it important. Alternative current reverses its directions, like first it move in one direction and then it moves in apposite direction, this reversing of direction occurs with a frequency. Once you plot it on amplitude VS time scale then you get to see a sine wave with certain period. Frequency dictates the period or you can say it has an inversely proportional relationship. Problem here is not a sine wave but its something to do with inductive load and resistive loads. Fans fall under the category of inductive loads whereas bulbs and computers fall under the resistive load. These UPS are designed for pure resistive loads that?s why you experience strange noises from your fans as its inductive load. In resistive loads Voltage and current wave form over lap each other and in inductive load one wave form lags the another wave form.

[talhawaleed]

I am also using Pyro Electrolyte in both my batteries. Gravity is perfect for battery. My 30 kg drum is almost finished and I am going to order another one soon. To order one just call them and they will deliver it to your home in Lahore. Not sure if they deliver to other cities. Their contact details are below.

Pyro Chemical Co
96-C Bank Square, Model Town, Lahore
35839278
35854646

Perfect solution for everyone, i recommend every member to buy and use this electrolyte to fill the batteries.