MG HS ; Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[mrdeejay]

Anyone heard of expected pricing of CKD variants?

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

As'salaam-o-Alaikum, I have a couple of questions regarding MG HS Turbo for car experts, its customers and enthusiasts. The questions mostly revolve around DCT. It is different from manual, A/T and CVT that us Pakistanis are mostly used to. From online research it seems it is not suitable for stop/go traffic conditions and is slightly a bit more complicated to operate on inclines and declines. Now, the questions are;

1. Do they (MG Motors Pakistan) offer any driving/teaching classes to their potential/verified buyers on how to use this new transmission in light of the road conditions prevalent in Pakistan?

2. What are the Do's and Don'ts of using DCT in stop/go traffic conditions? Traffic on Murree road, Islamabad highway during rush hours (8am-10am and 4pm-8pm) can sometimes slow down to under 10km/h. What is the recommended speed for DCT to maintain in such conditions, that over time it does not damage itself and how to drive in such conditions. A DCT is rated for approximately 300,000km+ and if operated incorrectly could give out anywhere between or before 10,000km-70,000km.

3. How to drive on an incline/decline if stuck in traffic? Pir Sohawa, Murree, and other hilly areas of Pakistan regularly experience traffic jams or slow traffic on the weekends; how to navigate those conditions without heating up the transmission and waking up all of the warning lights/sounds calling for the driver to park to one side until the transmission cools down for further operation?

4. KIA has put out some very useful videos for its N. American/European customers on how to drive a vehicle with DCT but I cannot seem to find any such content by MG Motors Pakistan. Are there any video tips available by the company on how to use their products safely and in a manner where their product can last its intended lifetime?

5. Should there be a need by the client to pre-order next maintenance/tune-up materials (air/oil filter, oil etc) or, are all fluids and parts readily available for existing and future orders?

6. MG HS transmissions available world wide;
6-speed manual
6-speed DCT
7-speed DCT
10-speed automatic
In Pakistan they are offering the 7-speed DCT version only. Any plans to introduce the 6-speed manual or the 10-speed automatic?

7. HS Turbo requires petrol of RON 97 grade; but some users are using Shell V Power (RON 95) with no issue. Have they (MG Motors Pakistan) identified any petrol stations in their respective dealers city whose petrol they would recommend for use with their turbo engine? Or have they left it up to the client to decide through trial and error which petrol station fuel is better for their six million (60 lac) investment (in MG Motors Pakistan)?

8. Seems like these DCTs are going to be a gold mine for all these new automakers if their customers do not operate them correctly. Or is it easy to operate a DCT just as an A/T, CVT and all my fears/observations listed above are baseless? Thank you.

[pwuser148975999891]

Intriguing questions
I dont think any kind of classes/coaching sessions would be available anywhere in pakistan...

[mehran]

It seems you have done considerable research on your vehicle and by now I'm sure you are better educated on the MG and it's transmission system than all the MG technicians in Pakistan. I would strongly recommend that you continue to do your homework and educate the MG owners on PW through this forum. An OEM (MG) trained and qualified technician might be more knowledgeable but as far as I can tell there is probably no such technician in Pakistan. So use your knowledge and research and satisfy yourself firstly and counter check by inquiring at MG dealerships.

[pwuser148975999891]

Having booked x70
I searched every forum and source possible before making a purchase decision.
Sale person at proton motors dont know much about engine/transmission....
So nothing better can be expected from mg...
Off topic question
One thing i don't understand
Why dont these companies go for cvt/more gears for better milage at highways

[mrdeejay]

I've driven DCT transmission in heavy traffic jams in US and never had any issue. Just follow common sense rules.

1. Don't use accelerator to hold vehicle on an incline, use brake.
2. Lift of the brake when you want the car to move, don't use partial-braking to drive very slowly for long periods of time e.g. in rush hour traffic.
3. Never heard of anyone having issue on incline. Sounds like a rumor. Plenty of people have visited Northern areas in their MGs. If there was some issue, we would have seen lots of complaints, not only in Pakistan but also in UK and Australia
4. The same transmission is used in millions of cars, so pretty sure its quite reliable.
5. MG HS requires RON 95 - I've personally seen it written on fuel filler cap.

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

Ok, so I had a very detailed discussion with an old pakwheeler, who owns/driven/drives a 1.8 civic, porsche, Audi A6, 1.5 civic turbo (200,000+ km), and currently the proud owner of an MG HS Turbo. His words of advice;

1. Stick to timely maintenance from certified dealership.

2. Car has an engine, turbo and DCT; combined all have four different kinds of fluids running through them, wait for them to come up to temperature before driving.

3. Do not abuse the car as if it has a N/A aspirated engine. You're liable to compromise its DCT, engine and turbo. Break in engine/turbo for the first 1500km before playing with it.

4. Stick to shell petrol. Two full tanks on regular and the third on 50/50 regular/hi-octane mix. Shell V power is good too. PSO and Total supply the worst petrol in the market. Attock's petrol is also good.

5. Nothing beats MG HS in style, comfort, power except the recently released Honda Vezel 2021.

6. If you want to enjoy your HS, give it its due care. Do not get its maintenance done from some corner shop in a bid to save a few hundred/thousand bucks. What you end up saving in such a way, you will pay in the future in the form of either an engine, turbo or DCT replacement and that is a back breaking cost.

7. For inclines, declines and stop/go conditions, give half a car to a car's length distance. Do not stick it up the other vehicles backside.

8. Improve your driving habits. Even if you go with a Tucson/Sportage, you cannot drive a C/SUV like a sedan. If a motorcyclist hits your sedan from the back, only your bumper needs repairing, but if he hits your C/SUV from the back, you might end up paying for his face and chest injuries also.

Good luck!

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

4. It's reliable, just not made for regular road going cars. Only for high end/performance cars.

Market share of gear box (transmission) usage.
2012
Manuals 49.4%
Automatics 35.9%
CVTs 10.1%
DCT 3.4%

VS

2017
Manuals 46.2%
Automatics 31.9%
CVTs 11.5%
DCT 8.5%

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

Why dont these companies go for cvt/more gears for better milage at highways

The thrill achieved from driving a DCT is not present in either a manual, A/T or CVT. Customer wants thrill, not economy. DCT, combined with a turbo on a small engine makes that particular kind of vehicle accessible to a larger market, hence more profits

[captain.mujtaba]

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

Repeating some of the above stated questions with particular reference to this video and, some observations.

1. There should’ve been more info on its transmission.
2. Dos and Don'ts of this particular DCT?
3. Why was it heating up? What were its customers doing differently that due to normal usage it was heating up or were they using it differently (driving like an A/T, CVT?) that was making it heat up? What were those reasons and why potential customers should avoid repeating those same mistakes.
4. Stop/go and incline/decline traffic conditions usage? How different is its usage from other transmissions in these conditions? Why? - (would’ve made it more technical but still would’ve been appreciated by a niche segment of the viewership)
5. Petrol usage? Mix or pure HO? Yes or no? Why? Any experiments done by anyone in their circle in this regard? Their views? Or views from previous usage of turbo vehicles ownership.
6. Rear visibility is as, if not more important as the front but agree with the placement of the rear view mirror. What was the location of the POV camera on your face? Forehead or on eyes?
7. The views on the stiff suspension was a surprise.
8. Seems like the pockets on the back of the seats are for keeping documents and the door cavities for oddly shaped objects.
9. Turning radius maneuver was funny. Should’ve done it in a parking lot or around some obstacles or maybe reversing in and out of a tight spot. Such a maneuver would’ve given a much better idea of its capabilities compared to its other two competitors, provided there was such a test done for them also.
10. Overall the review was not very conclusive. Surprising for a six million rupee investment! Either the reviewers were weak in their assessment or manufacturer is facing an ‘I.D.10.T’ error.
11. To make the review more relevant (understandable/relatable) to the Pakistani market it should’ve been compared with Civic, Altis, Sportage and Tucson.
12. Earned my on the decibel checking feature.
13. That FWD price comparison was
14. Why did his watch keeping changing its face?

Good work!

[abdullahzahidciit]

Aoa, engine oil recommendation for mg hs!
As per our hot environment I don’t think so 0w-20 is suitable, I believe so 5w-30 of any renown brand will be perfect what do you say guys?

[mohammad.ahmad.shoai]

Winters are coming. Stick with OEM recommendations for now. Think about changing it after 20,000-40,000 km. Check with the dealership first and also refer to its manual. If info not available in manual or with dealership, check online forums of Australia. They have similar weather conditions. Finally, stick with dealership/manual/company recommendations. This is not a cultus.

[pwuser151009136739]

any update about exclusive trophy deliveries? Any news if they are delayed as well??

[abdullahzahidciit]

0-20 grade is for cold weather usually, so it is recommended on minus weather areas so that thin oil reach faster to engine parts at first self. Thin oil cause excessive wear as compared to 5-30/5-40.
While 5-30/5-40 grade maintain its viscosity at high temperature also provide engine protection as compared to 0-20 grade.

[mgalaxy3]

Aoa, engine oil recommendation for mg hs! As per our hot environment I don’t think so 0w-20 is suitable, I believe so 5w-30 of any renown brand will be perfect what do you say guys

0w20 is the right oil for all modern petrol engines.

It's to be used in all the temperatures, no matter +54c or -20c.

No matter 0 mileage or 500,000 km mileage.

Max 5w30, don't even think about going above..anything above is engine killer of modern engines.made since 2002.

[mgalaxy3]

0-20 grade is for cold weather usually

No it's not. That is old ustaad ji logic valid in 70s to early 90s.

Not anymore.

0w20 is the engine oil of choice since 2 decades.

MAX 5w30. Don't go thicker than that.

That diagram is misleading, inaccurate and not valid in today's times.

Check any user manual of car from manufacturer. Since at least a decade 0w20 to max 5w30 is recommended.

[abdullahzahidciit]

this is what i found!
https://www.valvoline.com/en-australia/lube-guide

[mgalaxy3]

Yes. 5w30 is OK.
Don't go thicker than 5w30.

[Veee]

Salam.

I wanted to ask that, those who have booked MG HS Exclusive trophy grade in May/June or later, Have they gotten the confirmation letter yet or still waiting like me?

I booked it on May 31st (back when I had some hope for things to get better; currently hopeless). I visited MG Capital a few times but everytime they reply with: "Jab letter ayega toh hum apko inform kar dein gey". So, i thought to ask here.