Motorcycle Engine Oils

[flluffmaster]

Havoline[SUP]?[/SUP] Motor Cycle Oil

        Havoline[SUP]?[/SUP] Motor Cycle Oil is a quality engine oil  for use in a wide range of passenger car and light-duty commercial  vehicle gasoline engines where API SG or lower
        performance lubricants are required.

now i have to this date used this oil and frankly haven't found any problems yet.is it thicker than 10w30 as lauded by RX115?

[flluffmaster]

Brother Fellow RX115 have mashAllah deep knowledge about two stroke bikes
i have none information about these bikes
bro API is an american company which sets or updates engine oil standards for latest vehichles
JASO same like API by japanese for their vehichles standards the JASO MA words that we see on
our engine oils this defines that engine is completely safe to be used on wet clutch bikes

bro this is my very limited knowledge i shared about these terms API & JASO for more you can search on net
engine oils is very vast topic

You can check or search for recommended engine oil from manufacture of your bike
i would advise you that engine oil in your bike it will perform good
and i would highly advise try caltex 10w30 which RX115 using he is an expert two stroke bikes

MANY THANKS....Amjad bhai....i m googling wet clutch bikes right now

[flluffmaster]

for a moment it seems to me that any oil which is good for a 4 stroke bike is equally good for two strokes as well. kawasaki GTOs were manufactured 3 decades back and since then,,,,we have come a long way in oil technology. It must be worthwhile to maximize on the latest grades as they undoubtedly are the result of ample research.

u know whenever a detailed discussion like this takes place, senior and experienced contributors often help the novices by offering a list of dos and donts. i wonder if there is any oil other than that meant for diesel engines, that i shouldn't try in my 2 stroke bikes...and any other experiments that i must strictly avoid.

[flluffmaster]

after several hours of research, i think i have found some of the world,s best 2 stroke engine oils. These are ;
Bel-Ray H1-R Racing 100% Synthetic Ester 2T Engine Oil ,
MOTUL - 710 2T ,
Shell Advance VSX 2
Castrol 2 Stroke Motocross Oil Power 1 Racing 2T and several others.

unfortunately in pakistan 2 stroke engine oils are not specifically manufactured any more and thats why most of us have to settle for the 4 stroke oil off the shelf.

[RX115]

after several hours of research, i think i have found some of the world,s best 2 stroke engine oils. These are ;
Bel-Ray H1-R Racing 100% Synthetic Ester 2T Engine Oil ,
MOTUL - 710 2T ,
Shell Advance VSX 2
Castrol 2 Stroke Motocross Oil Power 1 Racing 2T and several others.

unfortunately in pakistan 2 stroke engine oils are not specifically manufactured any more and thats why most of us have to settle for the 4 stroke oil off the shelf.

2 kind of oil would be used in 2 stroke bike
1- engine oil
2- gearbox oil
as engine oil i always use shell advance 2t, it is best available engine oil in Pakistan
engine oil do burn with air fuel mixture in cylinder block
and
as gearbox oil, i do use SAE 10W30 in winter season dec to march (it is also recommended by YMC @ owners manuals)
in summers i would go for 20W40
i am not an oil expert rather i just do what is advised
2t torque induction engine would required free flow of oil in gearbox section, and as per my lil knowledge thinner oil can reach in whole engine before thicker oil, and thinner oil has better free flow in engine then thicker,
if you google then you will see most of 2t riders also use ATF as gearbox oil, few of them do use 10w40, so it all depends on 2t bike, area and out side temprature,
i tell you in summers i do you less oil (recommended 650ml) and i often do use 500ml, just only for much free flow n less resistant in gearbox, thats i have @moons BRO i am not using 32 years old engine in my bikes the one bike is 2004 model and for other bike i have stock engine which is yet on its standard piston,

[Automotorsport_Lover]

after several hours of research, i think i have found some of the world,s best 2 stroke engine oils. These are ;
Bel-Ray H1-R Racing 100% Synthetic Ester 2T Engine Oil ,
MOTUL - 710 2T ,
Shell Advance VSX 2
Castrol 2 Stroke Motocross Oil Power 1 Racing 2T and several others.

unfortunately in pakistan 2 stroke engine oils are not specifically manufactured any more and thats why most of us have to settle for the 4 stroke oil off the shelf.

Oils are of 3 types:
Mineral
Semi synthetic
Synthetic

Synthetics can bear a lot of heat variance, can provide great stable viacosity at very hot and cold temperatures and are long life too. These can be very very ezpensive and very long life too like one that lasts 10-20 thousand kms..

But they are meant for new age engines not for our tiny bikes with old tecs... The bikes that we have here in Pk are all wet clutch bikes. Their clutch is smeared in engine oil... And hence semi synthetics/synthetics can easily mess up with your clutch leathers as they have got friction modifiers that can reduce the required friction for clutch plates to operate. Hence... When one buys oil one should try finding one which is right for the bike.

Here in Pk our best bet is a really good mineral oil... Or a semi synthetic/synthetics which supports wet clutches... Which are really rare here.

Synthetics again are very fine oils and can also mess up with oil n weak engine seals... Ur engine can start eating oil up. Usually its not recommended to switch from mineral to synthetic on an old car.

Two strokes need oil on the cumbustion chamber too... So they have double lube system in a sense. However i dont recommend playing too much with oils as 2 strokers are also known for heating up n seizing.

Best for u is, buy the best 2 stroke oil u can afford but buy from an authourised dealer to ensure its genuine

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[moons]

@rx115 bro i was considering more than 2 yrs old engine as an "OLD ENGINE" that thin oils should not b poured in these engines and second i said that two strokes bikes depend less on engine oil so anyone can b used.u r much more senior to me so else u know better.What i said, that was just my "NAQIS RAEY".

[flluffmaster]

2 kind of oil would be used in 2 stroke bike
1- engine oil
2- gearbox oil
as engine oil i always use shell advance 2t, it is best available engine oil in Pakistan
engine oil do burn with air fuel mixture in cylinder block
and
as gearbox oil, i do use SAE 10W30 in winter season dec to march (it is also recommended by YMC @ owners manuals)
in summers i would go for 20W40
i am not an oil expert rather i just do what is advised
2t torque induction engine would required free flow of oil in gearbox section, and as per my lil knowledge thinner oil can reach in whole engine before thicker oil, and thinner oil has better free flow in engine then thicker,
if you google then you will see most of 2t riders also use ATF as gearbox oil, few of them do use 10w40, so it all depends on 2t bike, area and out side temprature,
i tell you in summers i do you less oil (recommended 650ml) and i often do use 500ml, just only for much free flow n less resistant in gearbox, thats i have @moons BRO i am not using 32 years old engine in my bikes the one bike is 2004 model and for other bike i have stock engine which is yet on its standard piston,

Many thanks sir for the detailed reply.when I saw your thread on Yamaha RX115, which is your pakwheels ID as well,,,I was certain that you are an authority on 2 strokes specifically yamaha RX 115 and Kawasaki GTOs. I too am a 2 stroke lover and my post in this thread also relates to 2 stroke yamahas and Kawasaki GTOs, but I am surprised that your reply has missed the crux of my query. You have concerned your self with some other bikes which I guess are heavier ones and use gearbox oil. So dear sir please tell me specifically the oil that you put in the engine of yamaha RX115 and any choices in 2 stroke oil in addition to shell advance 2T. Whenever I see you online ,I think here,s a Yamaha RX115, epitomized to life.

[flluffmaster]

Oils are of 3 types:
Mineral
Semi synthetic
Synthetic

Synthetics can bear a lot of heat variance, can provide great stable viacosity at very hot and cold temperatures and are long life too. These can be very very ezpensive and very long life too like one that lasts 10-20 thousand kms..

But they are meant for new age engines not for our tiny bikes with old tecs... The bikes that we have here in Pk are all wet clutch bikes. Their clutch is smeared in engine oil... And hence semi synthetics/synthetics can easily mess up with your clutch leathers as they have got friction modifiers that can reduce the required friction for clutch plates to operate. Hence... When one buys oil one should try finding one which is right for the bike.

Here in Pk our best bet is a really good mineral oil... Or a semi synthetic/synthetics which supports wet clutches... Which are really rare here.

Synthetics again are very fine oils and can also mess up with oil n weak engine seals... Ur engine can start eating oil up. Usually its not recommended to switch from mineral to synthetic on an old car.

Two strokes need oil on the cumbustion chamber too... So they have double lube system in a sense. However i dont recommend playing too much with oils as 2 strokers are also known for heating up n seizing.

Best for u is, buy the best 2 stroke oil u can afford but buy from an authourised dealer to ensure its genuine

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I greatly appreciate auto lover. You see most of the bikes used in this country are wet clutch bikes and comparison to cars may not be justified so to say.All cars invariably have a dry clutch. Now we in this thread have confined ourselves to motorcycle engine oils and a major part of the discussion relates to 4 stroke bikes engine oil. In my reckoning , most of the brands of motorcycle 4 stroke oils available in pakistan are predominantly synthetic, but folks keep using them without much damage to the wet clutch.
The real problem is that 2 stroke bikers , keep using 4 stroke oil in their bikes again without much problem....but I have ventured to develope a list of the most suitable engine oils for yamahas and kawasakis of the 8s and 90s , available here and to know and let others know the reason for my assessment.
2 stroke oils unfortunately are not available in this market.

[RX115]

Many thanks sir for the detailed reply.when I saw your thread on Yamaha RX115, which is your pakwheels ID as well,,,I was certain that you are an authority on 2 strokes specifically yamaha RX 115 and Kawasaki GTOs. I too am a 2 stroke lover and my post in this thread also relates to 2 stroke yamahas and Kawasaki GTOs, but I am surprised that your reply has missed the crux of my query. You have concerned your self with some other bikes which I guess are heavier ones and use gearbox oil. So dear sir please tell me specifically the oil that you put in the engine of yamaha RX115 and any choices in 2 stroke oil in addition to shell advance 2T. Whenever I see you online ,I think here,s a Yamaha RX115, epitomized to life.

thanks for your kind words,
bro actually i have already described both oil
i think your confusion is for gear box oil. look the oil we put in engine is called gear box oil in 2t bikes
and the oil we put in side oil bottle is called engine oil for 2t bikes,
i tell you in easy words. for side box oil i do use only shell advance 2t
and the oil we put into engine, i do use 10w30 in winters and 20w40 in summers
i hope now you will get my words @moons, bro its local myth, you are talking about, rather 2t bike would required thinner oil
i tell you my 2004 135 king have only 13500km on clock, and it has still standard piston in perfect condition, so i dont think so its an old engine specialy when i would look on its clock
for other bike i bought almost new engine on its standard piston, even the rings gap is up to mark in bore, and the bike whom had this engine on it was only driven 6500km on its speedo clock, lol and i do not think so its old engine,
look every one has his own point of view, but i am totally satisfied, with the oil i do choose for my bikes, i never prfer locally refiled bottled which were repacked and picked by mechanics shops, even that oils have big brand names on it but most of oils would be fake in it,

[flluffmaster]

thanks for your kind words,
bro actually i have already described both oil
i think your confusion is for gear box oil. look the oil we put in engine is called gear box oil in 2t bikes
and the oil we put in side oil bottle is called engine oil for 2t bikes,
i tell you in easy words. for side box oil i do use only shell advance 2t
and the oil we put into engine, i do use 10w30 in winters and 20w40 in summers
i hope now you will get my words @moons, bro its local myth, you are talking about, rather 2t bike would required thinner oil
i tell you my 2004 135 king have only 13500km on clock, and it has still standard piston in perfect condition, so i dont think so its an old engine specialy when i would look on its clock
for other bike i bought almost new engine on its standard piston, even the rings gap is up to mark in bore, and the bike whom had this engine on it was only driven 6500km on its speedo clock, lol and i do not think so its old engine,
look every one has his own point of view, but i am totally satisfied, with the oil i do choose for my bikes, i never prfer locally refiled bottled which were repacked and picked by mechanics shops, even that oils have big brand names on it but most of oils would be fake in it,

I am so grateful for your knowledgeable reply. yes I was really confused about gear box oil,as you referred to it in your earlier post ,but this reply has given me great insight and has cleared my doubts.I m quite wise on the subject now.

[RX115]

I am so grateful for your knowledgeable reply. yes I was really confused about gear box oil,as you referred to it in your earlier post ,but this reply has given me great insight and has cleared my doubts.I m quite wise on the subject now.

thanks for you too, i tell you again i am not an expert, only shared my lil experience with you, i never had any problem by these specs

[flluffmaster]

RX 115. Bhai can you share ur mobile no.?It would be great to call u once in a while. I assure would never cause u trouble. Thanks. and by the way has anyone ever tried mobil super 2000 , 10w4 semi synthetic in a motorcycle? If yes please give ur assessment.

Thanks

[flluffmaster]

so gentlemen...I went away with taking this risk and poured mobil super 2000 , 10w4 semi synthetic in the gear box of my GTO 125. The bike is new with first oil change done at 300 kms and the second one after another 700 kms, i.e a total of 1000 kms today. On the safe side I can say that the bike has liked the change. There is no problem of clutch jitter and the engine is more soundless and powerful.
In the side bottle, I refilled with a quarter of shell advance SX2,(green bottle).

[getscorpion]

look the oil we put in engine is called gear box oil in 2t bikes
and the oil we put in side oil bottle is called engine oil for 2t bikes,

bro when there's a proper mechanism in 2t for oil then why people here i hv seen always pour oil with petrol in fuel tank? isn't it harmful then?

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[getscorpion]

my bike has done 2100 on liqui moly so far... looks like its still strong to go few hundred more..

[devilskreed]

So far no issues here with LM..Bike is really enjoying this lube.So far i have driven 9000Kms on LM.Drain interval=1500 Km +/- 100 Kms..

gonna buy 2-3 packs tomorrow as i can use 3 1L packs for 4 oil changes.

[RX115]

RX 115. Bhai can you share ur mobile no.?It would be great to call u once in a while. I assure would never cause u trouble. Thanks. and by the way has anyone ever tried mobil super 2000 , 10w4 semi synthetic in a motorcycle? If yes please give ur assessment.

Thanks

no problem at all bro, 03214054025 Faheem

so gentlemen...I went away with taking this risk and poured mobil super 2000 , 10w4 semi synthetic in the gear box of my GTO 125. The bike is new with first oil change done at 300 kms and the second one after another 700 kms, i.e a total of 1000 kms today. On the safe side I can say that the bike has liked the change. There is no problem of clutch jitter and the engine is more soundless and powerful.
In the side bottle, I refilled with a quarter of shell advance SX2,(green bottle).

best of luck, shell advance 2t is onle best engine oil for ur n my bike

bro when there's a proper mechanism in 2t for oil then why people here i hv seen always pour oil with petrol in fuel tank? isn't it harmful then?
yes it can harm, even it can seize the engine
but how?
by mixing the 2t oil in fuel tank with gasoline can lean the pre set mixture, and lean mixture would be one of the main cause of engine seizure
why people mix?
when they do not care the autolube system then it get out of order n they do not care to get fix it, they think khali oil hi to mix krna ha to woh tank mai dal kr mix kr lain ***, or yeh soch hatora mechanic ki taraf se develop ki gai ha,
i tell you there is also premix (oil n gas) would be used in 2t motocross but they also set the air fuel mixture with that pre mixture ratio,

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[flluffmaster]

many thanks RX115 , Faheem bhai for sharing your contact.

[flluffmaster]

This is the oil that recently was added to my kawasaki GTO 125 gearbox. I wonder if anyone else has also used it in a bike. It costs Rs.850/- per liter. It is good no doubt.This oil is imported from singapore. As it is costlier than liqui molly, I think a sensible comparison with liqui molly is certainly desirable.