My first ever car in my life, budget 10,00,000+, weagon r or cultus?

[usman_arooq2]

Why and how can one justify non abs cars?! Its madatory out there, it saves lives. Not having abs and airbbags is a major flaw. Accept this fact. Safety's above everything. We need to change our mentality

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I did say that having ABS is important and useful in some situations but

mandatory? in some first world states like EU, US and Japan by law but cars without abs are being sold in India, Malaysia, and other countries that are more developed than ours.

my point was about rationality, we see worst examples of accidents not due to lack of abs but due to stupidity that too in so called high end models sold here. Rationality says as people start believing cars are safer they get involved in more unsafe driving behavior, that is exactly what I see most teenagers pushing their cars to limits and saying dekha abs ny rok lea.

2nd, threshold braking can achieve shorter braking distance on dry but not on wet or provide as the ability to steer on ice but we don't encounter such conditions as much as US or EU do we?

3rd, you might say that threshold braking requires driving skills so does effectively using ABS or one can end up rolled over or off road(search Honda civic 9th gen crashes and you'd understand my point), ABS can't provide extra grip or maneuverability but only make the best use of what is available

most people here have driven more years without it than with it.

Killer ABS

Not against safety but the marginal difference between safety of a car with and without abs isn't as big as portrayed if it were I'd happily invest in it, I used a Honda Civic Hybrid 8th gen with ABS, EBD, VSC(TRC too I guess), 8 airbags and I'd take one over any PKDM 8th gen even if it is a bit slower similarly won't exchange my 2.0d saloon non abs for an abs one as it doesn't brake as bad due to engine weight over front wheels unlike se saloon(that i'd exchange for an altis if I had one).

Last I own both abs and non abs cars and I don't have personal bias as i neither own a wagon r nor a v2 (though I've used someone's v2 extensively for almost 4 months)

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

I did say that having ABS is important and useful in some situations but

mandatory? in some first world states like EU, US and Japan by law but cars without abs are being sold in India, Malaysia, and other countries that are more developed than ours.

my point was about rationality, we see worst examples of accidents not due to lack of abs but due to stupidity that too in so called high end models sold here. Rationality says as people start believing cars are safer they get involved in more unsafe driving behavior, that is exactly what I see most teenagers pushing their cars to limits and saying dekha abs ny rok lea.

2nd, threshold braking can achieve shorter braking distance on dry but not on wet or provide as the ability to steer on ice but we don't encounter such conditions as much as US or EU do we?

3rd, you might say that threshold braking requires driving skills so does effectively using ABS or one can end up rolled over or off road(search Honda civic 9th gen crashes and you'd understand my point), ABS can't provide extra grip or maneuverability but only make the best use of what is available

most people here have driven more years without it than with it.

Killer ABS

Not against safety but the marginal difference between safety of a car with and without abs isn't as big as portrayed if it were I'd happily invest in it, I used a Honda Civic Hybrid 8th gen with ABS, EBD, VSC(TRC too I guess), 8 airbags and I'd take one over any PKDM 8th gen even if it is a bit slower similarly won't exchange my 2.0d saloon non abs for an abs one as it doesn't brake as bad due to engine weight over front wheels unlike se saloon(that i'd exchange for an altis if I had one).

Last I own both abs and non abs cars and I don't have personal bias as i neither own a wagon r nor a v2 (though I've used someone's v2 extensively for almost 4 months)

We aren't discussing driving behavior here, its off topic. We are discussing about abs vs non abs. Driving behavior is a different thing even the safest car will not be safe if one has a bad driving behavior. Its about how two cars will perform if they undergo same accidents of same magnitude.

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[nadeemkhan207]

Corolla is a fine looking car and is very reliable and comfortable. Mehran has no competitors. Wagon r has.

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A reiteration, have kept two thus needless to mention its pluses to me. Everybody knows that 02-08 models had worst n faulty brakes yet been loved like anything, I had 04 n kept desite knowing the fact for 6 good years n was a marvellous ca. r, still in my neighborhood. Y? Everybody abuses it being an overpriced one as this is the problem with almost every Pakistani car (other than Wagonr upto some extent) but people look here for maximum pluses instead of bentupon digging unnecessary n near to meaning less negativities. We should better refrain from thinking in that direction.

[nadeemkhan207]

Is ka matlab ye ni k ap non abs pe guzara kro.
Apna puri koshish k bad duaen kam ati hain.

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Go through your one of the responses, it contained that It Sav. es Lives...... vehicles with simple n conventional braking system are many more n this is what they follow, a reasonable set of precautions n Alhamdolillah almost everybody is safely cruising but problem arises when people get fanatic about n gadget n start depending n arguing unnecessarily. These are simple utility vehicles, if some one wants sports thrill then better get a dedicated car on a dedicated track instead of wasting time of onez own self and of others.

[nadeemkhan207]

Poster must be enjoying this while eating popcorn

I bet was thinking the same last night

[nadeemkhan207]

Lol this has gotten interesting. Here is the deal about sticking up for your cars people. I own two cars, a first gen XP10 Vitz and a 2012 Altis Crui, setronic SR E141. I know the limitations of both those cars and I know what I'm getting for the price I pay. Especially in terms of Altis, its a badly assembled car with an economic 1ZR engine and a CVTi gearbox that prefers to be short shifted. It is by no means a performance car despite that fact that it can manage OK acceleration. Comfort wise its average as well. The seats are somewhat hard and the suspension is crap.
So, why did I buy it ??? Because 3-4 years down the line, I will easily get rid of it with minimal loss and in that time, it manages the roads in Abbottabad well because it has high ground clearance and does not require Mercedes level of maintenance and the E141 in particular is not a bad looking car.
Every cars has its pros and cons but please dont insult yourself by making ktupid claims or degrading patented technology just because your car does not come equipped with those.

You have said yourself what I am trying to and afew inhere cant get that. Alhamdolillah all these features are not out of reach that one would be needing some weak efforts to defend, the same understanding problem is here so refer the same prescription . Dont know about you but Alhamdolillah at the age of 33 I personally owned a 3s maintained corolla with a brand new euro 2 Mehran VXR thus again dont need to degrade any value addition which is not even a necessity. Think before you leap, remember its not a nice car because I own it rather it is a good car and as per my requirement thats y I own it Alhamdolillah. I dont feel the need of this Patented Technology as these brakes are pretty effective for my n required driving style and have been a victim of this Patented Technology as the owner himself admitted that it didnt work n stop the car despite having the car in a top notch and availability of an adequate distance thats why a feature which requires so much mathematics, calculations and homework, it attracts minimum of my interest this is it. Even my nephew driving n been gifted with a 14 VTi Oriel Pros says the same what I felt.

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

Go through your one of the responses, it contained that It Sav. es Lives...... vehicles with simple n conventional braking system are many more n this is what they follow, a reasonable set of precautions n Alhamdolillah almost everybody is safely cruising but problem arises when people get fanatic about n gadget n start depending n arguing unnecessarily. These are simple utility vehicles, if some one wants sports thrill then better get a dedicated car on a dedicated track instead of wasting time of onez own self and of others.

Bhai jan abs and airbags would save lives if a car gets into an accident. Its not about driving behavior, not always its the drivers fault accidents are accidents, they happen. How can you justify an unsafe car at this time? Teslas is introducing autopilot and you're here claiming non abs and airbags are safe enough. Its not about driving behavior don't change the topic again. Some of you would go to any possible extent to defend the products of your favourite lame car companies. No car without airbags is safe. Try hitting into something at 60 kph in a mehran, you face would land at the steering wheel critically damaging skull bones, so is the story with your favourite waagon r. Abs is meant for safety. Any car not having it has a major con. Stop blind following. Later the day a guy was justifying lack of rear power windows in wr by saying k peeche wali windows wese bhi kam hi kholni hoti hain. But hey if our people had sense, why would P Suzuki be selling these shitboxes in Pakistan? So, sir I'll be better of in a v2 ( or even a vitz/passo)
I can leave behind your favourite car anytime, i would be more comfortable, and when khuda na karey someone gets in an accident his face wont be full of blood. Keep justifying the lack of necessary features sir. Im no more interested in trying to make you understand the consequences.

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[usman_arooq2]

We aren't discussing driving behavior here, its off topic. We are discussing about abs vs non abs. Driving behavior is a different thing even the safest car will not be safe if one has a bad driving behavior. Its about how two cars will perform if they undergo same accidents of same magnitude.

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if we are discussing how a car will perform under accident then talking about abs vs non abs brakes doesn't make sense as brakes are to avoid accidents not to provide occupant safety when undergoing an accident.

I don't see the irrelevance in my point, are auto manufacturers fools to put a warning for every safety equipment that it can't correct for driver's stupidity? or do you consider abs cars self driving so we minus driver out of equation?

I presented the points to explain that the kind of basic abs only cars we get aren't any better than non abs in the conditions we drive in most of the time, non abs cars can achieve shorter braking distance and abs cars can end up going out of control.

Airbags?
It is only recently that authorities here started to enforce seat belts(without which if airbags deploy can be fatal) that too in major cities only and the airbags equipped vehicle being mentioned here as a safer option has achieved zero stars in chest protection that too on obsolete test CNCAP test in a time period when CNCAP received most of the fundings from Chinese automakers and awarded better ratings to them subsequently. so saying that it offers better protection is like saying umm a corolla 2004 brakes better than a city 2001 because corolla has 4 wheel disk brakes.

I'm not against safety but only if the protection provided by alternative is marginally better.

[arkhitekt]

A car that can avoid an accident or minimize the impact logically and by all means occupant safety. The brake helps the car in which the occupants are.

https://youtu.be/mKiTAcXK6M4

https://youtu.be/hwwXukJaTlM

Still what people want to believe and what they don't want to believe is totally their right. So no arguing with someone's right of belief
Peace

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272964

[RahatMallick2003]

You have said yourself what I am trying to and afew inhere cant get that. Alhamdolillah all these features are not out of reach that one would be needing some weak efforts to defend, the same understanding problem is here so refer the same prescription . Dont know about you but Alhamdolillah at the age of 33 I personally owned a 3s maintained corolla with a brand new euro 2 Mehran VXR thus again dont need to degrade any value addition which is not even a necessity. Think before you leap, remember its not a nice car because I own it rather it is a good car and as per my requirement thats y I own it Alhamdolillah. I dont feel the need of this Patented Technology as these brakes are pretty effective for my n required driving style and have been a victim of this Patented Technology as the owner himself admitted that it didnt work n stop the car despite having the car in a top notch and availability of an adequate distance thats why a feature which requires so much mathematics, calculations and homework, it attracts minimum of my interest this is it. Even my nephew driving n been gifted with a 14 VTi Oriel Pros says the same what I felt.

You got two cars ? good for you and that was not my point. My point was also not to say whether WagonR is a good or a bad car, frankly everyone here knows what is it. My point was not to make unfair claims about a car, respect its limits and know what it is. WagonR is a daily driver, its not a performance car or any such thing and in that class, there are other, better options as well but if this one does the job for you, good enough. Being realistic was the point of my initial post.

[RahatMallick2003]

This has gone so badly off topic poster must be wondering yeh kahan phans gaya hoon

[nadeemkhan207]

Bhai jan abs and airbags would save lives if a car gets into an accident. Its not about driving behavior, not always its the drivers fault accidents are accidents, they happen. How can you justify an unsafe car at this time? Teslas is introducing autopilot and you're here claiming non abs and airbags are safe enough. Its not about driving behavior don't change the topic again. Some of you would go to any possible extent to defend the products of your favourite lame car companies. No car without airbags is safe. Try hitting into something at 60 kph in a mehran, you face would land at the steering wheel critically damaging skull bones, so is the story with your favourite waagon r. Abs is meant for safety. Any car not having it has a major con. Stop blind following. Later the day a guy was justifying lack of rear power windows in wr by saying k peeche wali windows wese bhi kam hi kholni hoti hain. But hey if our people had sense, why would P Suzuki be selling these shitboxes in Pakistan? So, sir I'll be better of in a v2 ( or even a vitz/passo)
I can leave behind your favourite car anytime, i would be more comfortable, and when khuda na karey someone gets in an accident his face wont be full of blood. Keep justifying the lack of necessary features sir. Im no more interested in trying to make you understand the consequences.

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Dont only blame suzuki, Suzuki builds shitboxes n Toyota dung containers since had experienced both thoroughly. Corolla is the same thing but since you have got it now, its totally out of Pakistan and best car n totally justified bla bla bla. Every car n here exploits due to its success be it a Mehran, Corolla, Ravi, Hilux or now Wagonr but Wagonr is a bit imprved one in the product line of Suzukiz history thats why people cant digest it easily this is it. If you talk about Teslaz autopilot feature then also read its couple of accident stories, dont be like one of the passengers of Titanic who were of the view and been made to think that the ship is Unsinkable and what happened to them is known by everyone. I am smelling the same from you since begining thats why trying to make you understand the reality of this world n everything, I expect you to leave this juvenile attitude and like anything you want, everyone is inclined towards the positives of the vehicle which suit their requirements.

[nadeemkhan207]

Bhai jan abs and airbags would save lives if a car gets into an accident. Its not about driving behavior, not always its the drivers fault accidents are accidents, they happen. How can you justify an unsafe car at this time? Teslas is introducing autopilot and you're here claiming non abs and airbags are safe enough. Its not about driving behavior don't change the topic again. Some of you would go to any possible extent to defend the products of your favourite lame car companies. No car without airbags is safe. Try hitting into something at 60 kph in a mehran, you face would land at the steering wheel critically damaging skull bones, so is the story with your favourite waagon r. Abs is meant for safety. Any car not having it has a major con. Stop blind following. Later the day a guy was justifying lack of rear power windows in wr by saying k peeche wali windows wese bhi kam hi kholni hoti hain. But hey if our people had sense, why would P Suzuki be selling these shitboxes in Pakistan? So, sir I'll be better of in a v2 ( or even a vitz/passo)
I can leave behind your favourite car anytime, i would be more comfortable, and when khuda na karey someone gets in an accident his face wont be full of blood. Keep justifying the lack of necessary features sir. Im no more interested in trying to make you understand the consequences.

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One more thing, I will park mine on the starting point n wait for you to lead n win as I am a practical person n not into such childish activities but yea if even got a chance, would let you have a veyron and would select a bit weaker for myself as if won that would be a real thril since all normal cRs Corolla Ccivic city liana cultus alto mehran v2 wagonr all are utility n family cars not meant for drag races, cornerings, sharp turns etc thats why said earlier too then a person should be equipped properly with proper car n place these vehicles are not meant for this. You Will go for V2 n I have already bought n used Wagonr. You know what, you r not going to buy your v2 tomorrow as suggesting, planning n actually buying are all different things.. when you would be having Purely Your hard earned 1. 1M in hand and would plan to buy V2 I bet your heart beat would be l stened by your fellows since you would be feeling that my money is gone thats the reason recommendations are much there but how many V2 owners are here? How many on the roads? Very few, this road is very cruel and it doesnt spare anyone, what's ch soever vehicle is good enough for this public in any aspect, only that would survive and others would only be a rearities. I was driving 3s maintained 04 corolla when first time driven Wagonr and simply fell in love yet it took me almost 2 years to buy this as everything is not in man's hand we must remember our religion fate n Allah's willing. I simultaneously checkdd v2 much thoroughly than wagonr, had a test drive but all those things couldnt attract me due to multiple reasosn i.e. quality, name etc. All units were with faulty tachometer and overall quality reminded me of Kia, Chevrolet, Daewoo, Hyundai etc as I was much v ncerned about my money. Wagonr clicked as it as having a quality no matter with less gadgets but an establish shed name yet I was afraid that what if it may not worked well in the market since I kept market cars through out. Eventually when it started gIning the momentum then after about 2 years Alhamdolillah I purchased it n again Alhamdolillah its doing well and could be seen pretty many on the roads so far and its the sign of something we all know, the story is totally different on V2z part as everybody is concerned about his her money thats why when the thread initiatr asked for the opinion, gave him the best out of the two and commented on V2 as per reality.

[nadeemkhan207]

You got two cars ? good for you and that was not my point. My point was also not to say whether WagonR is a good or a bad car, frankly everyone here knows what is it. My point was not to make unfair claims about a car, respect its limits and know what it is. WagonR is a, its daily driver, its not a performance car or any such thing and in that class, there are other, better options as well but if this one does the job for you, good enough. Being realistic was the point of my initial post.

This is what I am trying to communicate since beginning that at the least every PKDM is a family n utility car thus be careful in driving n tak.. e adequate measures coupled with a 3 times Ayatulkursi. No gadgetry whether its Legendary or History gonna save you but only Allah's rehmat this is it. again its something a bit acceptable in Suzukiz product lne and unexpectedly soft, smooth n a bit comfortable in terms of entertainment, AC, EPS etc. This is what I am saying that eevryboxy must take every aspect into consideration then would come to know that yea its a realistic choice ' n this budget n category being a brand new locally launched with an established name car....

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

A car that can avoid an accident or minimize the impact logically and by all means occupant safety. The brake helps the car in which the occupants are.

https://youtu.be/mKiTAcXK6M4

https://youtu.be/hwwXukJaTlM

Still what people want to believe and what they don't want to believe is totally their right. So no arguing with someone's right of belief
Peace

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272964

Yep, but its said to see people compromise on safety.

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[ahmadbilalchaudary]

One more thing, I will park mine on the starting point n wait for you to lead n win as I am a practical person n not into such childish activities but yea if even got a chance, would let you have a veyron and would select a bit weaker for myself as if won that would be a real thril since all normal cRs Corolla Ccivic city liana cultus alto mehran v2 wagonr all are utility n family cars not meant for drag races, cornerings, sharp turns etc thats why said earlier too then a person should be equipped properly with proper car n place these vehicles are not meant for this. You Will go for V2 n I have already bought n used Wagonr. You know what, you r not going to buy your v2 tomorrow as suggesting, planning n actually buying are all different things.. when you would be having Purely Your hard earned 1. 1M in hand and would plan to buy V2 I bet your heart beat would be l stened by your fellows since you would be feeling that my money is gone thats the reason recommendations are much there but how many V2 owners are here? How many on the roads? Very few, this road is very cruel and it doesnt spare anyone, what's ch soever vehicle is good enough for this public in any aspect, only that would survive and others would only be a rearities. I was driving 3s maintained 04 corolla when first time driven Wagonr and simply fell in love yet it took me almost 2 years to buy this as everything is not in man's hand we must remember our religion fate n Allah's willing. I simultaneously checkdd v2 much thoroughly than wagonr, had a test drive but all those things couldnt attract me due to multiple reasosn i.e. quality, name etc. All units were with faulty tachometer and overall quality reminded me of Kia, Chevrolet, Daewoo, Hyundai etc as I was much v ncerned about my money. Wagonr clicked as it as having a quality no matter with less gadgets but an establish shed name yet I was afraid that what if it may not worked well in the market since I kept market cars through out. Eventually when it started gIning the momentum then after about 2 years Alhamdolillah I purchased it n again Alhamdolillah its doing well and could be seen pretty many on the roads so far and its the sign of something we all know, the story is totally different on V2z part as everybody is concerned about his her money thats why when the thread initiatr asked for the opinion, gave him the best out of the two and commented on V2 as per reality.

I was 99 percent going for a v2 but i increased budget and went for city instead. I still highly recommend my friends to buy it and some already have. I also plan to buy it in future. Now, I mentioned whole lot of points but you only took one, let me quote myself.
"can leave you behind anytime "
Did i mention drags or stuff? Nopes, maybe its in your mind because a few posts earlier you were challenging every one for a race but now you're a practical man :')
About your first point, yes i mentioned suzukis shitboxes because Suzuki is way behind in quality than honda/toyota. Not to say they are good or anything. Atleast they give us what they are giving to the rest of the world not old and ugly designed unsafe cars.
From the start of your thread you guys have been trying to DEFEND wagon r, you need to think why are you on defensive mode rather than the opposite one. I'm tired of all this already, i would end up by saying that again that one would be better off in other safe and better options rather than an unsafe car rikshaw with ugly thin tires with power windows only for the front seats because backseats are too uncomfortable for a human. And that is my opinion.
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[nadeemkhan207]

I was 99 percent going for a v2 but i increased budget and went for city instead. I still highly recommend my friends to buy it and some already have. I also plan to buy it in future. Now, I mentioned whole lot of points but you only took one, let me quote myself.
"can leave you behind anytime "
Did i mention drags or stuff? Nopes, maybe its in your mind because a few posts earlier you were challenging every one for a race but now you're a practical man :')
About your first point, yes i mentioned suzukis shitboxes because Suzuki is way behind in quality than honda/toyota. Not to say they are good or anything. Atleast they give us what they are giving to the rest of the world not old and ugly designed unsafe cars.
From the start of your thread you guys have been trying to DEFEND wagon r, you need to think why are you on defensive mode rather than the opposite one. I'm tired of all this already, i would end up by saying that again that one would be better off in other safe and better options rather than an unsafe car rikshaw with ugly thin tires with power windows only for the front seats because backseats are too uncomfortable for a human. And that is my opinion.
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Its not owned at your home currently right?.... Again you misunderstood the statement, it was not for the race but a solid potential of 1000 cc car to smoothly touch higher rather dangerous sppeds for any PKDM vehicle and our roads since no road supports these high speeds even if any vehicle get capable of. Why I said couple of times? Coz most of us are geniuses on the chair and are highly unaware of the facts, we beleive it to be true what we think or whatever comes to our minds and me a daily commuter on Motorway well understand that hence thats why offer them to check theirselves to beleive as people were going in the opposite direction. Only Honda is somewhat better and I was about to get one 1. 5 Aspire facelift but got wagonr being maximum value for money just like city. Routine suzukis and Toyota both are the rippers this is an accepted fact as the aforesaid vehicle from Honda is of the price of Altis yet city takes the lead in features may be if not major but minor. I am a Toyota lover n kept corollas for years n years but when I realized my money is not getting the duerespect, switched to other brands n Models. What we are getting here in Pakistan by Suzuki n Toyota, each n every variant is over priced in omparison to the features offered thats a fact. Only Honda is somewhat better but we are forced to choose among these unfortunately so everybody has to choose the best according to the available budget n safe options thats why thread initiator asked about Cultus n Wagonr no other option as he is done with his homework. If still not known to you, can google or fetch the data from locals yeah here I am talking about leading brands only Suzuki Toyota n Honda. Since wagonr being only a 2 years old car (PKDM), majority of the people even dont know about its features, sometimes people attracted to it ask me is it 660? A jdm n so on but when they require a car look for options n come to know about it, majority end up in purchasing the same which could be one of the reasosns of its growth. Since Feb 16, I have received 3 solid offers in a small city one even with an exchange with 1000 cc VXR so that I dont get disturbed with the unavailabity of car incase I sell it and was earning me about 60K and first one was just after a week which at the least wasnt expected by me as city of my posting nowdays is a small one. Its not about getting defensive rather telling all the facts n experiences majority of the people dont know and one must share honestly if somebody asks or intends to get one, this is one of our core responsibilities being alhamdolillah muslims.
Why are we into these cars despite being overpriced with less features etc? Because these are easy to maintain and breaks very little money or even earn profit (my last corolla Alhamdolillah earned me a nice profit after even 6 years of use) and durable too thus we are forced to get one. You, me or any other person thats why all such cars are greater in no on the roads as roads are cruel n dont spare anybody, which ever is the best within the available would be seen on roads as people buy those only majorly. Corolla in past with bad brakes n currently with less features, city with bumpy suspension, legendary Mehran, cultus Bolan and civic with low resale as compared to corolla, yet the are the best in available options and not talking about JDMs. Because all these are priorities for different people with diffrent requirements then Allah has got a distribution of Rizq mechanism, everybody gets in a different way.
You know V2 highly resembles from the rear a frog kinda station wagon Afghan refugees used to had here in Peshawar back in early 90s but slowly it vanished, this is the least important drawback of it n I dont consider it neither considered it when were planning to get one. There are compromiseable and non compromiseable facts about any car for any consumer and all such facts make different brands to run on roads.

May be you are not in a real practical life so far and once you got in, would be able to understand all these realitis very easily n wnt be needing other personz input​. Ignore this line if you are already.

[nadeemkhan207]

You express your opinion n others their backed by hardcore realities.

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

Its not owned at your home currently right?.... Again you misunderstood the statement, it was not for the race but a solid potential of 1000 cc car to smoothly touch higher rather dangerous sppeds for any PKDM vehicle and our roads since no road supports these high speeds even if any vehicle get capable of. Why I said couple of times? Coz most of us are geniuses on the chair and are highly unaware of the facts, we beleive it to be true what we think or whatever comes to our minds and me a daily commuter on Motorway well understand that hence thats why offer them to check theirselves to beleive as people were going in the opposite direction. Only Honda is somewhat better and I was about to get one 1. 5 Aspire facelift but got wagonr being maximum value for money just like city. Routine suzukis and Toyota both are the rippers this is an accepted fact as the aforesaid vehicle from Honda is of the price of Altis yet city takes the lead in features may be if not major but minor. I am a Toyota lover n kept corollas for years n years but when I realized my money is not getting the duerespect, switched to other brands n Models. What we are getting here in Pakistan by Suzuki n Toyota, each n every variant is over priced in omparison to the features offered thats a fact. Only Honda is somewhat better but we are forced to choose among these unfortunately so everybody has to choose the best according to the available budget n safe options thats why thread initiator asked about Cultus n Wagonr no other option as he is done with his homework. If still not known to you, can google or fetch the data from locals yeah here I am talking about leading brands only Suzuki Toyota n Honda. Since wagonr being only a 2 years old car (PKDM), majority of the people even dont know about its features, sometimes people attracted to it ask me is it 660? A jdm n so on but when they require a car look for options n come to know about it, majority end up in purchasing the same which could be one of the reasosns of its growth. Since Feb 16, I have received 3 solid offers in a small city one even with an exchange with 1000 cc VXR so that I dont get disturbed with the unavailabity of car incase I sell it and was earning me about 60K and first one was just after a week which at the least wasnt expected by me as city of my posting nowdays is a small one. Its not about getting defensive rather telling all the facts n experiences majority of the people dont know and one must share honestly if somebody asks or intends to get one, this is one of our core responsibilities being alhamdolillah muslims.
Why are we into these cars despite being overpriced with less features etc? Because these are easy to maintain and breaks very little money or even earn profit (my last corolla Alhamdolillah earned me a nice profit after even 6 years of use) and durable too thus we are forced to get one. You, me or any other person thats why all such cars are greater in no on the roads as roads are cruel n dont spare anybody, which ever is the best within the available would be seen on roads as people buy those only majorly. Corolla in past with bad brakes n currently with less features, city with bumpy suspension, legendary Mehran, cultus Bolan and civic with low resale as compared to corolla, yet the are the best in available options and not talking about JDMs. Because all these are priorities for different people with diffrent requirements then Allah has got a distribution of Rizq mechanism, everybody gets in a different way.
You know V2 highly resembles from the rear a frog kinda station wagon Afghan refugees used to had here in Peshawar back in early 90s but slowly it vanished, this is the least important drawback of it n I dont consider it neither considered it when were planning to get one. There are compromiseable and non compromiseable facts about any car for any consumer and all such facts make different brands to run on roads.

May be you are not in a real practical life so far and once you got in, would be able to understand all these realitis very easily n wnt be needing other personz input​. Ignore this line if you are already.

I respect your opinion bro. Each to his own.

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I respect your opinion bro. Each to his own.

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Bro relax and enjoy yourselves. Don't bother yourself please
Spend your time on something positive

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