New range of pioneer Amps damn good

[roms]

Replace ker lo apna jbl is pioneer ke saath ...
Trust me, these amps are like new born babies in front of ur jbl...

The jbl don has is a next level thing but he has a habit of selling things, so u never know

[Talhadon]

Replace ker lo apna jbl is pioneer ke saath ...
Trust me, these amps are like new born babies in front of ur jbl...

I recommend it for muneeb when he do not got RF amp ....
No no ,Not at all ....My JBL is with me until I grab its upgraded version ,i.e JBL GTO24001

[taz_rulez]

@SoundMaster

please arrange an 8601 for me.. coming to pindi tomorrow and will be there till Monday agar ho sakay to in dino me ker dein so that I'll pick it up from you

[yawar538]

[QUOTE=SoundMaster;3757038
1.Pioneer d8604(H) (16.5k) best amp in its price offer 150watt rms 2ohm per ch and even can accommodate component of krx2 class eaisaly. 300watt rms at 4ohm bridge mode with remote bass boost best for any 4ohm svc upto 400rms. Most suitable amp aval in market for any beginner who is looking for a 2ch and a mono in reasonable price.
Pioneer GM-D8604 600W RMS Class D 4-Channel Car Amplifier[/QUOTE]

Comparison between d8604 and SS Ref 800.4
Which one to go for?

[roms]

Comparison between d8604 and SS Ref 800.4
Which one to go for?

8604 hands down

[yawar538]

8604 hands down

Like any particular reason. Yes Pioneer is branded but the THD has better rates for SS Ref..

[roms]

Like any particular reason. Yes Pioneer is branded but the THD has better rates for SS Ref..

THD is just printed may be never tested

[mughal90]

If can get an original SS REF it would be far better than pioneer. Just look at the specs for REF 4.400. SNR > 110dB vs 95dB for pioneer and Damping factor of > 1000 vs not mentioned for pioneer lol Soundstream REF4.400 4 Channel Amplifiers at Onlinecarstereo.com

[stj174]

Bringing the best affordable amps to Pakwheels, thanks to Sheryar bhai..

Wish someone could find a bring in couple of PRS amps.

I once bought a Pioneer PRS 4 channel amp for my Focal KRX2. IMHO these components deserve better amplification.

These GM series are good amps for a budget setup and much better than the so called Koren or China amps. Having said that I simply won't recommend them to be used along with hi-end speakers or components.

[SoundMaster]

@taz_rulez
Amps are readily available.

[taz_rulez]

oki I might pick it up from maddy bhai on sat.

[roms]

If can get an original SS REF it would be far better than pioneer. Just look at the specs for REF 4.400. SNR > 110dB vs 95dB for pioneer and Damping factor of > 1000 vs not mentioned for pioneer lol Soundstream REF4.400 4 Channel Amplifiers at Onlinecarstereo.com

He was referring to SS Ref 800.4

[mughal90]

He was referring to SS Ref 800.4

Ha ha.....Well in that case atleast pioneer is built under license and is CEA 2006 compliant......unlike others (H)

[SoundMaster]

It is not good to compare 8604 with high end sq amps not even with 800.4. Amp is recommendable for those who are looking for solid audio amps to run char 718 and aik d2 and also can be used with a good set of components and a sub with a mono amp utility of bass boost knob. The other reason, it is aval all over the pakistan at almost same price so there is no ripoffs like people commit in past (pick an amp from me for 14k or phir aik pw ko 22k ka thok dia). for Pioneer prs series amps perhaps they are not as good as focal, mac, zapco or adcom but good enough (pioneer prs 2100t 150watt rms 100bd snr and 0.005thd) to play any set of component within reasonable price.
Pioneer PRS-D2100T (prsd2100t) 600W Max, Premier PRS-Series 2-

[stj174]

It is not good to compare 8604 with high end sq amps not even with 800.4. Amp is recommendable for those who are looking for solid audio amps to run char 718 and aik d2 and also can be used with a good set of components and a sub with a mono amp utility of bass boost knob. The other reason, it is aval all over the pakistan at almost same price so there is no ripoffs like people commit in past (pick an amp from me for 14k or phir aik pw ko 22k ka thok dia). for Pioneer prs series amps perhaps they are not as good as focal, mac, zapco or adcom but good enough (pioneer prs 2100t 150watt rms 100bd snr and 0.005thd) to play any set of component within reasonable price.
Pioneer PRS-D2100T (prsd2100t) 600W Max, Premier PRS-Series 2-

Haha kia yaad karwa dea 14k new amps sold for 22k used.

Yes you are right, these are much much better than Solidaudio and cheap china brands. Thanks God people are now over with "SOLID AUDIO" aik zamana thaa jab sab solid audio ka danka bajatay that and branded stuff ko farrigh samhajtay thay, SALUTE ! I still remember those threads LOL. Also true that since price is almost same everywhere so choona lagnay ka dar kam hay.

Anyways
Talking about THD and SNR

1. Pioneer Premier PRS-D2100T:

• SNR 100db
• THD 0.005%

Pioneer PRS-D2100T (prsd2100t) 600W Max, Premier PRS-Series 2-

VS

2. Focal FPS 2300RX

• SNR 89db
• THD 1.0%

FPS 2300RX

VS

3. Audison LRx 2.9

• SNR 82db
• THD 1.0%

Now considering THD and SNR value Pioneer scores much better than the Focal and Audison, but does that really make Pioneer PRS a better amp than Focal FPS and Audison LRx ?

[yawar538]

Yes you are right, these are much much better than Solidaudio and cheap china brands. Thanks God people are now over with "SOLID AUDIO" aik zamana thaa jab sab solid audio ka danka bajatay that and branded stuff ko farrigh samhajtay thay, SALUTE ! I still remember those threads LOL. Also true that since price is almost same everywhere so choona lagnay ka dar kam hay.

Anyways
Talking about THD and SNR

1. Pioneer Premier PRS-D2100T:
[LIST]
[*]SNR 100db
[*]THD 0.005%
[/LIST]
Pioneer PRS-D2100T (prsd2100t) 600W Max, Premier PRS-Series 2-

VS

2. Focal FPS 2300RX
[LIST]
[*]SNR 89db
[*]THD 1.0%
[/LIST]
FPS 2300RX

VS

3. Audison LRx 2.9
[LIST]
[*]SNR 82db
[*]THD 1.0%
[/LIST]

Now considering THD and SNR value Pioneer scores much better than the Focal and Audison, but does that really make Pioneer PRS a better amp than Focal FPS and Audison LRx ?

is question k answer ka mjhe abhi tak intezaar hai
kidding but what areas of specs to look for to judge? (apart from listening personally, because that is the only best option)

[bass.lover1]

Is D8601 Is better Then Power Acoustic Apache ?

[blacklist1]

Haha kia yaad karwa dea 14k new amps sold for 22k used.

Yes you are right, these are much much better than Solidaudio and cheap china brands. Thanks God people are now over with "SOLID AUDIO" aik zamana thaa jab sab solid audio ka danka bajatay that and branded stuff ko farrigh samhajtay thay, SALUTE ! I still remember those threads LOL. Also true that since price is almost same everywhere so choona lagnay ka dar kam hay.

Anyways
Talking about THD and SNR

1. Pioneer Premier PRS-D2100T:
[LIST]
[*]SNR 100db
[*]THD 0.005%
[/LIST]
Pioneer PRS-D2100T (prsd2100t) 600W Max, Premier PRS-Series 2-

VS

2. Focal FPS 2300RX
[LIST]
[*]SNR 89db
[*]THD 1.0%
[/LIST]
FPS 2300RX

VS

3. Audison LRx 2.9
[LIST]
[*]SNR 82db
[*]THD 1.0%
[/LIST]

Now considering THD and SNR value Pioneer scores much better than the Focal and Audison, but does that really make Pioneer PRS a better amp than Focal FPS and Audison LRx ?

is question k answer ka mjhe abhi tak intezaar hai [emoji14]
kidding [emoji14] but what areas of specs to look for to judge? (apart from listening personally, because that is the only best option)

I know I'm bumping an old thread. But question remains unanswered.
@yawar538 @roms

So does thd and snr in an amp the key factors? So why pioneer has high snr then focal etc Does that make pioneer better amp?

[yawar538]

I know I'm bumping an old thread. But question remains unanswered.
@Yawar538 @roms

So does thd and snr in an amp the key factors? So why pioneer has high snr then focal etc Does that make pioneer better amp?

@roms can throw more light on the topic than me. All I know the higher the price the better the amp

[roms]

The above graph is for Focal FPS 4160, as you can see in the graph, the distortion varies with the output and power applied. See THD is different at 1 Watt whereas different at 100 Watts. It varies with power applied and also keep in view that this specific graph is measure by a signal of 1KHZ. Will at be same a t 2Khz? NO.

So the crux is, not all the manufacturers specify the exact numbers. So unless you don't know how it was measured and at what instance of frequency or power, then it will be misleading.

Also THD and THD+N are two different things. While measuring some manufacturers take sum of 4 HD's while some take 6 HD's. And Noise (N) can be obtained by eliminating a source (reference) signal from the measuremnt.

Same theory goes with the S/N ratio.

Rest @DrShaggy can elaborate it a bit.

Edit: Also the time interval "t" for the measurement (Length of measurement in time domain) changes the numbers as well