Nissan B14 2.0D

[Dani80pk]

Bro thats a good buy if ur satisfied considering that a mehran of 2003 costs almost same in ISB.

@Xulfi

Since ur the expert, bro i have a 2.0D toyota. Got it zero meter and it passes every test u have mentioned above. It has been driven 140K KM. I changed its timing belt, diesel injectors (assuming they have been worn after 100K). Rest is timely maintainence always done with best quality engine oil & filters available and frequent change intervals. Is there anything you would advice to check further to keep it running prestine.

@Dani Bro personally i like diesel torque alot while driving it. If its a good diesel u might enjoy it more than petrol.

Thanks so much for your kind words and hope to have a good drive ahead with diesel. I am driving and having only petrol cars since 1992 so it will be new experience for me. Have driven office 2.0D corolla and it feels good but not better than my for sale baleno GXI, which i feel way more comfortable and responsive. Will this CD20 diesel outclass baleno in terms of running.

[Dani80pk]

Guys. Last night i went there for token and had a test drive of car. The engine was dead cold and starts after first preglow time. There was some noise in suspension as well as from axel. The body was tough though and there wasn't any noise from interior. Engine was so powerful that it really really inspired me. Drive is way too smooth. After coming back i started it again and it took no time for preglow light to go off and engine starts on first key. It does need some 10-15k right after buying but keeping in view the price it is coming in, I dont think it matters. There wasn't much vibration in the engine when it was first started. Isn't it unusual for a diesel? I heard that diesel tend to vibrate more when started cold. Please advise. Thanks

[Thinking]

@Dani,

If its a good engine it will not vibrate when cold. So congrats apparently u had been spot on in buying a good machine. Fix the suspension. Change all oils and filters. Check if its 100K driven than u might have to change the timing belt too.

Since u will be changing oil and filters also change the Gear box oil, power steering oil, clutch hydralic and break oil.

I usually prefer Green xl plus diesel fuel from PSO company outlet and also pour in "no smoke" from liqui moly which infact increases the combustion rate of diesel fuel hence less smoke and improved pick up.

These were some suggestions from me.

Do share the pics. And do not forget to get the car serviced completely and polish, servicing also improves the drive a bit if there had been too much mud stuck in the suspension etc.

[Dani80pk]

@Dani,

If its a good engine it will not vibrate when cold. So congrats apparently u had been spot on in buying a good machine. Fix the suspension. Change all oils and filters. Check if its 100K driven than u might have to change the timing belt too.

Since u will be changing oil and filters also change the Gear box oil, power steering oil, clutch hydralic and break oil.

I usually prefer Green xl plus diesel fuel from PSO company outlet and also pour in "no smoke" from liqui moly which infact increases the combustion rate of diesel fuel hence less smoke and improved pick up.

These were some suggestions from me.

Do share the pics. And do not forget to get the car serviced completely and polish, servicing also improves the drive a bit if there had been too much mud stuck in the suspension etc.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Would take care of all these things. I will take delivery of vehicle on Saturday and after doing service and some maintenance work, I will post the pics, Insha Allah. Hang on till then. Cheers

[Dani80pk]

One thing i would like to ask. Is it feasible to install turbo in CD20 engine. Does it improves pick or average of the car?

[spectra]

One thing i would like to ask. Is it feasible to install turbo in CD20 engine. Does it improves pick or average of the car?

There is a genuine CD20 turbo but i dont think installing it afterwards will be a good idea. Internals are different for both engines with different compression ratios.

U can try finding a DCD20T for swap, that will be better.

[spectra]

Guys. Last night i went there for token and had a test drive of car. The engine was dead cold and starts after first preglow time. There was some noise in suspension as well as from axel. The body was tough though and there wasn't any noise from interior. Engine was so powerful that it really really inspired me. Drive is way too smooth. After coming back i started it again and it took no time for preglow light to go off and engine starts on first key. It does need some 10-15k right after buying but keeping in view the price it is coming in, I dont think it matters. There wasn't much vibration in the engine when it was first started. Isn't it unusual for a diesel? I heard that diesel tend to vibrate more when started cold. Please advise. Thanks

There is a water temperature based choke mechanism which increases idle rpm and also advances timing of engine for better cold starting. If that system is working fine then no vibrations

[Dani80pk]

There is a genuine CD20 turbo but i dont think installing it afterwards will be a good idea. Internals are different for both engines with different compression ratios.

U can try finding a DCD20T for swap, that will be better.

Thanks for the reply. Will it be a bolt on swap or any alterations will be required? The original CD20 currently in car is a sealed one and a very responsive engine. Will it be a good idea to swap it with an engine whose performance is not known?

[spectra]

Thanks for the reply. Will it be a bolt on swap or any alterations will be required? The original CD20 currently in car is a sealed one and a very responsive engine. Will it be a good idea to swap it with an engine whose performance is not known?

CD20T is bolt on fit. no alterations. About being sealed engine, kabli engines are usually sealed units and a metter of luck is there in every purchase, usually they are good.

[Xulfiqar]

Bro thats a good buy if ur satisfied considering that a mehran of 2003 costs almost same in ISB.

@Xulfi

Since ur the expert, bro i have a 2.0D toyota. Got it zero meter and it passes every test u have mentioned above. It has been driven 140K KM. I changed its timing belt, diesel injectors (assuming they have been worn after 100K). Rest is timely maintainence always done with best quality engine oil & filters available and frequent change intervals. Is there anything you would advice to check further to keep it running prestine.

@Dani Bro personally i like diesel torque alot while driving it. If its a good diesel u might enjoy it more than petrol.

You must re-adjust your valve clearances at 100,000 kms - you would also need to make a dial gauge adapter to properly time your pump to the engine if you take it off. (I also like to make an adapter to measure internal pump pressure (it greatly affects fuel consumption and pump hydraulic advance with rpm <-- torque) - 100,000 kms would not have disturbed the nozzles IMO they would be perfect for about 160,000 kms - and do change out the coolant every 75,000 kms if using original toyota HOAT coolant (pink) if using the old toyota red or caltex red you need to change it every year or 25,000 kms to keep the engine pieces from corrossion and cavitation.

Danish,
There is nothing compared to the torque of a turbodiesel engine, youve driven petrol cars - so you know that to move it quickly you need to rev it high, in a turbocharged diesel the car will pick up on full torque at mid range rpms (whenever the turbo spools up) - and keep nearly the same torque to rpm limit - the feeling is like a cargo train accelerating hard - and if you ever drive the newer CDI Mercedes Benz, they feel like aircraft which are about to take off from the runway.

If you want to change the Timing belts on the CD20 - make sure that the person who changes it knows what hes doing. The marks need to be put on the new belts - as there are no marks on the cylinder head to align the pulley mark with

[Dani80pk]

Danish,
There is nothing compared to the torque of a turbodiesel engine, youve driven petrol cars - so you know that to move it quickly you need to rev it high, in a turbocharged diesel the car will pick up on full torque at mid range rpms (whenever the turbo spools up) - and keep nearly the same torque to rpm limit - the feeling is like a cargo train accelerating hard - and if you ever drive the newer CDI Mercedes Benz, they feel like aircraft which are about to take off from the runway.

If you want to change the Timing belts on the CD20 - make sure that the person who changes it knows what hes doing. The marks need to be put on the new belts - as there are no marks on the cylinder head to align the pulley mark with

What about diesel without turbo. I heard someone saying that CD20 is inferior as compared to 2C and other engines that came in 2.0D corollas. Is this correct?

[Thinking]

@xulfiqar

Bro i will check on the coolent. Also i changed the nozzles however i kept the old ones with me, infact i was experiencing increased fuel consumption and slightly more smoke from the exhaust. After changing the nozzles smoke got reduced a bit however consumption is more or less same, that is around 11 KM in the city and 13-14 on highway. I got the valve clearence (TAPET Setting) as mechanics call it, checked and adjusted. I also changed the transmission (gear) oil to API GL5 from Zic. However it seems like i should have used GL4.
Can u suggest me a place in ISB from where should i get the internal pump pressure checked and timed with the engine.
Thanks for your vast knowledge sharing and help.

[Thinking]

@Dani

I dont think that nissan diesel is inferior to 2C infact i think cd20 is quieter, however only advantage 2C is that its more common and its easier to find filters/ spares for 2C.

and on the other hand since 2C is too common/popular there are too many fake spares for the same engine as well.

[Ghuncha]

Guys. Last night i went there for token and had a test drive of car. The engine was dead cold and starts after first preglow time. There was some noise in suspension as well as from axel. The body was tough though and there wasn't any noise from interior. Engine was so powerful that it really really inspired me. Drive is way too smooth. After coming back i started it again and it took no time for preglow light to go off and engine starts on first key. It does need some 10-15k right after buying but keeping in view the price it is coming in, I dont think it matters. There wasn't much vibration in the engine when it was first started. Isn't it unusual for a diesel? I heard that diesel tend to vibrate more when started cold. Please advise. Thanks

if the engine glow plug light went quickly with hot engine(as in your case) than it means that the original timer is being used.

sorry, forgot to post pics, will do today inshallah (provided i remember)

[Dani80pk]

if the engine glow plug light went quickly with hot engine(as in your case) than it means that the original timer is being used.

sorry, forgot to post pics, will do today inshallah (provided i remember)

Zaroor Zaroor. M waiting

[Dani80pk]

Will post mine tomorrow or day after as Insha Allah as i will most likely take delivery of mine today.

[Dani80pk]

Finally, got delivery of car yesterday. Fill the tank and checked the avg after driving it for 80km and whoa, got 17.5km/l. I have asked my mechanic to change all filters and oils. Bumpers were also in need of some maintenance so I asked him to get them fixed and painted. Wanna ask one thing, the owner was obvious that he has not changed the gas kit but didn't remembered about the timing belt. Car is driven for 176,000km. Should I change its timing belt? What other necessary maintenance should be done? Thanks

[memad]

If you do not know the history of your car's timming belt then change it on top priority.

[Xulfiqar]

When changing the timing belt - PLEASE make sure it goes on correctly, its just sad to see the number of nissan CD20 belts misaligned causing engine damage...

Before taking off the original belt - apply some yellow paint on the old belt where the pulley marks meet them (engine should be at perfect TDC) - do this for both.

now count the teeth between the marks - on a CD17 the count is 37th tooth and the pump is 21st tooth, (CD 20 is I belive 39th tooth).. If you dont do this you will never find proper timing - this is Nissans original timing belt installation guide (original Nissan timing belts come with marks on them). Once installed with the drive side taught (loosen tensioner and tighten again, rotate engine so you see TDC align on belt once again - loosen and tighten tensioner - your belt will be tensioned properly this time)

While at this task - buy some nice coolant, Caltex, ZIC, Mobil, Seiken and buy a gallon distilled water from the medical or chemical market near Denso Hall, prepare and replace all old coolant with this new mixture. When you start up your engine be sure to purge any air from it, by parking upslope (or jack under the car) and loosening the bleed valve or slightly loosening the cylinder head upper radiator pipe so air can escape (remember to have your heater at max too), slowly pour the coolant and keep on topping till it settles or starts to dribble out of the pipe fitting. tighten, top up again, pump the pipes by hand to remove any stuck air while slightly revving and you'll be good (your cooling fans may also kick on as the Tstat opens up) - btw the cooling fans are also module controlled hence coolant keep the sensor in top shape. Dont try to fiddle with it, this one module also runs the temp gauge.

[Xulfiqar]

What about diesel without turbo. I heard someone saying that CD20 is inferior as compared to 2C and other engines that came in 2.0D corollas. Is this correct?

thats because our stupid mechanics dont know jack about any sort of refined diesel engine. 2C is very very agricultural compared to this and is somewhat drunk too. This engine more resembles the VW 1.6 diesel engine (which is a gem and lasts for more than 800,000 kms easily without rebuilds - but in Pakistan mechanics need their income hence slice your wallet and spew out stupid stuff because they dont know better)

e.g. when replacing a headgasket on your CD20 - you need to replace the bolts anytime they are loosened - they are called torque to yield bolts - not very expensive but consider this - our desi mechanic will remove the cylinder head to adjust valve bucket clearance rather than check and shim it properly, and would reuse the old headbolts. (partly the owner is to blame as he is looking for sasta and tikaao kaam all the time) (you would have a leaking headgasket in no time.

diesel without turbo is all about momentum and torque band driving - they run very cool though and last a few centuries