Oil shifting for my altis and premio

[bradpit]

Salam..i have altis1.6mt and premio 1.8 both dual vvti. I use zic A for Altis and Zic A+ for premio.i feel noise of premio is a bit increased from the day one i inserted zic A+ but because of small city the most thinest oil in the shop was Zic A+. Now i want to change both my cars from zic because of low quality of zic.i want to go for some imported one.plz recommend me should i???and plz also tell me about oil filter.im using local guard flter in both of them and change oil and filter after 3k.should i go for same guard one or use some other? ?and should be the interval for both oil and filter change???thanks..jazakAllah

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Brother use Shell HX7-E will cost you roughly Rs.2,400/- from retail petrol pump or Metro store and Rs.2,200 from wholesale.

If you use guard filter change at every 6 months or 6,000 km whichever comes first Guard filters are good I am using in 2002 F Premio (since 2008) and 2010 Corolla.

The genuine Premio oil filter is of Rs. 2,450/- and air filter Rs. 2,650/- so its basically a waste of money because you will eventually change it at every 6 months or max 12 months in a dusty and hot environment like Pakistan.

If you can afford it then genuine is good but let me assure you it will not give u any performance gain or change in driving.

[Xulfiqar]

Goodman7

can you provide proof that Mobil1 is not being sold by MAL Pakistan?

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[faiz.aslam.121]

Goodman7

can you provide proof that Mobil1 is not being sold by MAL Pakistan?

click to check the site

What would you recommend: Mobil 1 5-50 or LM 5-40?

[Xulfiqar]

in what engine?

[umairpathan2]

As u have toyota vehicals I suggest u to try toyota motor oil (made by japan) which comes in tin pack, not local one which are in plastic packing like petron etc. i dont have much info about grades but i m using this one in my own corolla from day one and i didnt face any problem

[faiz.aslam.121]

in what engine?

Urrg ummm a swift lol. It takes 4 liters.

[GoodMan7]

So that means you claim that Mobil Askari Lubricants are selling fake unbranded oils in Mobil containers.... hmm how can you claim that the LM that you get for really cheap (high profit for you) is not fake unbranded oil? What about PSO selling castrol - you assume PSO is also a tail ki hatti.

You literally have lost it. - why dont you fill up some samples and send it over to some oil testing labs, you will get your answer. Jeez man,,, talk about naive??

Lets take example of PTT 5/40 sn grade and LM 5/40 sn grade.
Here are the general results (of new oils, before using). Results got from their websites.

					LM		PTT

Density at 15 (?C g/cm?) 0.850
Viscosity at 40 (?C mm?/s) 86 87.6
Viscosity at 100 (?C mm?/s) 14.1 14.3
Viscosity index 170 170
Flash point (?C) 222 232
Pour point (?C) -45 -42
Cold-Cranking Simulator @-25oC,cP 5,885

The results are almost same.
But still LM oils are much more durable & can be used for very long intervals than PTT. Why?

[Xulfiqar]

Urrg ummm a swift lol. It takes 4 liters.

hot 50 viscosity is a bit heavy for that engine - for best protection and economy use a hot 30 viscosity.

[Xulfiqar]

Lets take example of PTT 5/40 sn grade and LM 5/40 sn grade.
Here are the general results (of new oils, before using). Results got from their websites.

LM PTT
Density at 15 (?C g/cm?) 0.850
Viscosity at 40 (?C mm?/s) 86 87.6
Viscosity at 100 (?C mm?/s) 14.1 14.3
Viscosity index 170 170
Flash point (?C) 222 232
Pour point (?C) -45 -42
Cold-Cranking Simulator @-25oC,cP 5,885

The results are almost same.
But still LM oils are much more durable & can be used for very long intervals than PTT. Why?

Who told you that only LM oils can be used for super long oil change interval?

[onlyfaith]

I'll say yes, but unluckily not in Pakistan.
Few years back some people used to import Mobil1 made in USA oil here in Pakistan. It was simply outclass, unmatchable, outstanding, etc.
But now its being re-packed here in Pak. So I personally cannot consider it as of same quality as was older USA made oils.

One more, there are two mobils in Pak. One is Mobil1 and other one is Mobil Askari. And I hope very soon, something else will come like Mobil Original or MobileUS, etc.

LM oils are coming directly from Germany. Though LM has not sent their SN/GF-5 grade oils yes in Pakistan (0/20 & 5/30) because these are very expensive and SCI is upto 40K for some German cars, but for the time even their SM & SJ grade oils are performing very well in Pak.

LOL..
You think that license for a product in a country is easy.
MAL has bought copyrights for selling Mobil1 here in Pakistan
Plz dont spread ignorance here. The only oil brand you can trust for not being counterfeit is Mobil1, if bought from MAL representatitve
Here is the contact..

MAL Pakistan

and yes MAL also market their own oils under the name of askari oils but they are totally separate than Mobil lubricants

[Xulfiqar]

I dont get one issue here, Ive dealt with MAL (as vendor) but also bought M1 directly from them as their agents were out. Anyway, short of the story is that the product I recieved was old stock container and had a damaged cap - this caused what I believe was condensation in the container and eventual water adultration.

I called them up, they replaced it and also gave me a formal apology along with some marketing paraphernalia

With "yo I import this oil" company Ltd - it wont happen.

Same with parts too. Owning a car with no parts support is a nightmare specially if you run into a situation where a part has been upgraded as an assembly.

[onlyfaith]

^
true that

[GoodMan7]

Who told you that only LM oils can be used for super long oil change interval?

Most of the LM oils are ACEA rating as A3/B3.

A3 High performance and / or extended drain
B3 High performance and / or extended drain

We are living in Pak. and presently LM is perhaps among best available imported oil which can last till super extended intervals. BUT unluckily we don't have such PDMs here where these oils can perform as per oil manufacturer's recommendation & approved standards.

[Xulfiqar]

super long drain intervals are specced by the manufacturer of the car, not the oil maker. You can use an A3B3 oil with a VI of 200 blended from gp IV base stocks in a corolla - it wont make it past 6000 kms, the filtration system is not upto that task.

extended oil change intervals have fine media filters and huge sumps too.

[GoodMan7]

super long drain intervals are specced by the manufacturer of the car, not the oil maker. You can use an A3B3 oil with a VI of 200 blended from gp IV base stocks in a corolla - it wont make it past 6000 kms, the filtration system is not upto that task.

extended oil change intervals have fine media filters and huge sumps too.

Yes its correct.
But A3/B3 or A5/B5 oils are produced for the higher performances or longer intervals.
Its true that sump size, filter, fuel quality, etc. matters a lot too. But oil itself is stronger enough & speeced to perform well in General.
And only the European oil companies like LM, Profi, BP, etc. strictly follows the ACEA standards.
Pak. made oil companies are ISO Certified (European Certification), but they don't have ACEA approval Certifications.

[termiii]

I always witnessed a decrease in performance in the oil when it starts to get locally blended. Im not going into technical but just sharing my experience.

I used to used to use Shell Helix Ultra (originally Made and blended in Singapore) but then it started coming in different packaging and as soon as i start using it i did notice a drop in performance if only a minor one. I called up my friend who was working in Shell at the time and he told me that Shell have recently started local blend.

Same happened with Mobil1. First Made in Germany (contrary to people seeing Made in USA) then made in singapore and finally locally blended.

So ive switched to LM Synthoil since i believe its 'untouched' from Germany. Ive also had good feed back from Castrol Magnatec.

I am not saying that that companies blending locally intentionally hamper the performance but might be something to do with the blending procedure, machines etc.

[Xulfiqar]

helix ultra was originated from Shell DE (germany) - it was specced for extreme performance engines. I cannot buy your "feel" judgement of an economy car. The only factual evidence would be a virgin oil analysis.

[termiii]

Dear Xulfiqar bhai you must be correct. I read 'Made in Singapore' on the label of the can which I had purchased at the time so I believe that it was being produced and blended there... not originated. I am not asking you to 'buy' my judgement and plz dont jump to assumptions as a cl9 typeS is not an economy car.

[Xulfiqar]

Dear Xulfiqar bhai you must be correct. I read 'Made in Singapore' on the label of the can which I had purchased at the time so I believe that it was being produced and blended there... not originated. I am not asking you to 'buy' my judgement and plz dont jump to assumptions as a cl9 typeS is not an economy car.

accord cl9 type S comes in medium sized category, extreme performance engines are put in BMW M cars, benz AMG, Porsche turbo etc. They literally push the performance over the edge.

When Shell first came out with helix ultra I was in Pakistan, it was very pricey and not easily available, It carried some hardcore test data. I remember it being a dark blue color container. I used it in some benz engines and it was pretty good. No testing facility for it but worked sweet for the entire 13000 mile change interval which was more than 2 years.

When drained the filter was really heavy, the oil was literally like diesel oil but the engine internals were shiny clean as if the engine was never run. I also experience the same here in the USA with penzzoil ultra which is the same product.

[GoodMan7]

I always witnessed a decrease in performance in the oil when it starts to get locally blended. Im not going into technical but just sharing my experience.

I used to used to use Shell Helix Ultra (originally Made and blended in Singapore) but then it started coming in different packaging and as soon as i start using it i did notice a drop in performance if only a minor one. I called up my friend who was working in Shell at the time and he told me that Shell have recently started local blend.

Same happened with Mobil1. First Made in Germany (contrary to people seeing Made in USA) then made in singapore and finally locally blended.

So ive switched to LM Synthoil since i believe its 'untouched' from Germany. Ive also had good feed back from Castrol Magnatec.

I am not saying that that companies blending locally intentionally hamper the performance but might be something to do with the blending procedure, machines etc.

This is what i always say and repeatedly mentioned in my many many posts. But majority just don't agree with it. They just start teasing here & there, this & that, but never going to understand the dirty depth of these realities (when blending or re-packing start in Pak).
I wish someday zulfiqar to pass through under similar experience too so that he can very well understand that "so called quality of Pak. made lubricants'.