Pak Suzuki Wagon R Owners Club

[Sarkaar]

indeed you are right but thats just like paksuzuki gave 2 front wheels with alloys and 2 with simple wheels with wheel caps.
if they have gave 2 they should have added other 2 as well.
btw is it possible to install auto system in back doors ? or it will need whole new system including front ?

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Yes you are right i am not defending pak suzuki for not providing power windows on back doors. I was just refering to its use since i am using WR vxl as family car.

[COOLTAHIR]

Yes you are right i am not defending pak suzuki for not providing power windows on back doors. I was just refering to its use since i am using WR vxl as family car.

yes you are right too.
btw is it possible to install auto system in rear windows ?

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[Sarkaar]

yes you are right too.
btw is it possible to install auto system in rear windows ?

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If Japanese WR door panel can fit in then yes, otherwise some alteration will be required in oem door panels

[kholaris]

i always put my car to neutral gear when going down from bridge

It has VERY bad effect on fuel mileage. When a gear is engaged, the engine does very little work because of momentum.

Putting it into neutral makes the mileage as if you were driving in city in very slow speed, when in fact you're driving on the highway.

Don't do this.

[Sarkaar]

It has VERY bad effect on fuel mileage. When a gear is engaged, the engine does very little work because of momentum.

Putting it into neutral makes the mileage as if you were driving in city in very slow speed, when in fact you're driving on the highway.

Don't do this.

I don't get your point, neutral gear means no load on engine, or same load as idle like if vehicle is standing, it also gives more control because i then keep my foot on brake not on accelerator.

[anc]

I don't get your point, neutral gear means no load on engine, or same load as idle like if vehicle is standing, it also gives more control because i then keep my foot on brake not on accelerator.

When car is in neutral then the engine is consuming fuel. Best way to conserve fuel when going downhill is to select the appropriate gear and not pressing the accelerator. When your for is not on the accelerator the ECU cuts the fuel supply.

[COOLTAHIR]

When car is in neutral then the engine is consuming fuel. Best way to conserve fuel when going downhill is to select the appropriate gear and not pressing the accelerator. When your for is not on the accelerator the ECU cuts the fuel supply.

lol. illogical reply.
when you are coming downhill at speed 40 and gear 3 it will be on 2k rpm for example but if you hold clutch or simply put car in neutral rpm will get down to 0.700k to 0900k depend on load if ac is on or off.
in simple the less the rpm the less the fuel consumption thats why some genius says use higher gear as possible for better fuel efficiancy.

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[saboor73]

lol. illogical reply.
when you are coming downhill at speed 40 and gear 3 it will be on 2k rpm for example but if you hold clutch or simply put car in neutral rpm will get down to 0.700k to 0900k depend on load if ac is on or off.
in simple the less the rpm the less the fuel consumption thats why some genius says use higher gear as possible for better fuel efficiancy.

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He is right every efi engine behaves like that if ecu sees engine over running it will cut fuel supply only reason engine doesnt stall is the momentum of wheels where as at idle car will need fuel to run

[anc]

lol. illogical reply.
when you are coming downhill at speed 40 and gear 3 it will be on 2k rpm for example but if you hold clutch or simply put car in neutral rpm will get down to 0.700k to 0900k depend on load if ac is on or off.
in simple the less the rpm the less the fuel consumption thats why some genius says use higher gear as possible for better fuel efficiancy.

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What your are saying was true for non-efi carb cars, rest if you think it is illogical let it be.

[tahir.hashmi]

What I understand from this discussion is that when you let off the accelerator pedal on an efi engine the rpm is not being sustained by fuel alone, like it is done on idle, instead the wheels rotation is sustaining the engine rpm. Which means the fuel consumed at 2k rpm while you are not pressing the pedal is less than fuel consumed at 2k rpm with pedal pressed.
As for the original question, whether the car will take more fuel while coasting in neutral or while coasting in gear, it remains unanswered until we know the fuel consumption and distance travelled in both options. We can assume that distance travelled will be higher in neutral but will the gain get offset by the higher idle (engine supported) rpm?

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[COOLTAHIR]

He is right every efi engine behaves like that if ecu sees engine over running it will cut fuel supply only reason engine doesnt stall is the momentum of wheels where as at idle car will need fuel to run

well i dont understood even a word from ur reply

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[COOLTAHIR]

What your are saying was true for non-efi carb cars, rest if you think it is illogical let it be.

how on earth any car will use more fuel when its in neutral or clutch is unreleased ? if u will enguage gear and release clutch it will start taking more fuel then in neutral ? thats what my idiot brain thinks

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[exo]

What I understand from this discussion is that when you let off the accelerator pedal on an efi engine the rpm is not being sustained by fuel alone, like it is done on idle, instead the wheels rotation is sustaining the engine rpm. Which means the fuel consumed at 2k rpm while you are not pressing the pedal is less than fuel consumed at 2k rpm with pedal pressed.
As for the original question, whether the car will take more fuel while coasting in neutral or while coasting in gear, it remains unanswered until we know the fuel consumption and distance travelled in both options. We can assume that distance travelled will be higher in neutral but will the gain get offset by the higher idle (engine supported) rpm?

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Talking strictly about the wagonR here, the car cuts off the fuel supply if you let go of the accelerator at rpm above 1.2-1.4k rpm. You can yourself check this fact by putting car in first gear and accelerating to about 3k rpm and letting go of the accelerator, the car will show sharp deceleration till about 1.2k rpm after which you will experience a sudden noticable decrease in the rate the car decelerates, this change is even more noticeable with the A/C on (after which the car will continue to move with the rpm at about 0.9-1k); at this point the ECU resumes the supply of fuel to prevent it from stalling.
So to answer the question if you are coasting with the car in a suitable gear with rpms at about 2k or higher the car is not consuming any fuel and using momentum from the wheels to keep the engine turning. But in the other case if you put the car in neutral while coasting the engine will be consuming fuel to keep it running.

[tahir.hashmi]

how on earth any car will use more fuel when its in neutral or clutch is unreleased ? if u will enguage gear and release clutch it will start taking more fuel then in neutral ? thats what my idiot brain thinks [emoji14]

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When you are at high speed and you are not pressing the accelerator the ecu gets the message that you are ok with gradual loss of speed due to engine resistance etc. It can also sense that at the current speed the momentum of wheels is enough to keep the engine run ng so it can cut off the fuel. Atleast that's what I understand.

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[ch.talal]

yes you are right too.
btw is it possible to install auto system in rear windows ?

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Yes. It can be done. But that will require skill and parts. I shall recommend to leave that and do not mess with whatever Suzuki has provided as jugaard will cause troubles later on.

[kholaris]

I don't get your point, neutral gear means no load on engine, or same load as idle like if vehicle is standing, it also gives more control because i then keep my foot on brake not on accelerator.

See this: Does Shifting Into Neutral Really Help Fuel Economy?

[khanjiiii]

Planning on getting Wagon R replacing my Coure. But to be honest, the car looks ugly, haven't seen any of those with body kits! Can someone please show me their cars if they have installed a body kit and if that helps the design

[haroonmcs26]

Planning on getting Wagon R replacing my Coure. But to be honest, the car looks ugly, haven't seen any of those with body kits! Can someone please show me their cars if they have installed a body kit and if that helps the design

Bcz this shape is new in pakistan and our eyes r nt common with it. U can see many jdm in too ugly shape bcz we r nt habitual with their shapes. After some times ppl will nt feel it

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[Sarkaar]

Planning on getting Wagon R replacing my Coure. But to be honest, the car looks ugly, haven't seen any of those with body kits! Can someone please show me their cars if they have installed a body kit and if that helps the design

Decent rims with wider tire does compensate for looks, you can add rear spoiler if you want to, you can tint windows as well after that it will look decent. I see vxl with wider tire and wheel caps and it look very decent.

[Sarkaar]

See this: Does Shifting Into Neutral Really Help Fuel Economy?

Thanks for sharing this but i use it differently. I keep it neutral going down hill so that it can speed up more if i put it in gear i will be pressing acclerator which means it will burn fuel.