Pakistanis and their obsession of abusing their own car industry

[ehalin]

Then it will back to the good old days of paying 200% tarrif duty to clear a basic egg and potato car with manual crank windows. (Used scrap imports are already dead ended thank lord)

Yes sir you hit the nail in the head here.

Why there is 200% tariff just only on cars?

It is just to protect the black marketing of cars. This black market generates billions of rs. of black money for these assemblers, bureaucrats, politicians, dealers, investors etc. Nobody who is the beneficiary wants to let go of this easy money.

Cars are not a luxury in 21st century. They are a commodity. Anybody taxing cars like this is actually bound to create a black market. This is the reason that after even being at 38th place in the world, we neither get good quality nor reasonable prices.

[lazers]

One thing you forgot to mention about Indian market is that they are not only selling cars at less price (prior to dollar hike), they have far more accessories and features then what is offered in PK. Similarly compare cars like civic or camry from what is offered in USA, again a big big big difference. You can look at the quality and build of the new Civic specially the ones made during first year, pathetic. Even the guys (mechanics) at honda 3s say dont buy it. However, I will buy it cause I have no other option except to go for JDM and same is the case with many others. Sorry I am illiterate but I will compare with India

[kamranghafoor77]

Guys dont say anything against the local market this guy has turned this discussion of abusing your car market into a political debate which isnt the topic and fails to answer my questions but keeps asking more questions rather then reply. It is a fact that the car industry in Pakistan has a monopoly and until govt doesnt stop supporting these profiteers and make a level plain field we will keep getting sub standard cars and people like him will keep defending these companies as if they are providing a public service. You sir have a bleek view of the future i on the other hand am optimistic that inshAllah Pakistan will come out of this crisis but only if we as a nation speak up for what is wrong and right. It is wrong for these companies to make huge profits and provide low quality cars.

[hussain182]

Yes. Uncle jee starts ranting whenever anything is said against local assemblers. Logic and reason be damned.

The topic itself was meant to provoke and fish out anybody who dares to take a different view. I see all the school yard bullies (my bad, ‘senior pakwheelers’, defenders of pakistan industry, economy, morals, izzat, gherat) have all ganged up as usual. Youve fallen for an ambush my friend.

[kamranghafoor77]

cheers for the info.

its ok I am a loggerhead i dont give up that easily. I wont get baited as i am stuck on and waiting for my answers
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[pwuser150469741418]

It is a fact that the car industry in Pakistan has a monopoly and until govt doesnt stop supporting these profiteers and make a level plain field we will keep getting sub standard cars

Exactly!

[stn.dvt]

You forgot something.

The cars we import aren't new cars but they're refurbished and used in Japan including accidental. So you're not driving a brand new JDM.

Even if you find the perfect imported jdm, it's still not good as a new car.

Don't even get me started on local cars.

Me and my brother have a running joke that Mehran car is built from Shamaa ghee tin box because of how low quality it is.

I haven't driven any car in foreign country but i have seen youtube videos and the features those cars have of the same car models are very different.

Can you show me any top of the line local car that has driver assist, lane assist, toyota safety sense etc?

[Xulfiqar]

If you look at the duty tarrif structure - its a straight copy from the time of RAJ - the documents still have entries of "tachometer" and "seat belts" under accessories - which are counted towards a higher duty.

This was done to protect the British car industry (Britain was considered local pre 1947) - and to prevent mass clogging of roadways as communications and roadways meant the same thing back then, To satisfy this concern they did a good job of installing railways, trams etc. Too bad that Pakistan couldnt keep that system running even with "ratta copy" . You see the antithesis of that now - with the hordes of scrap cars from Japan - how has that helped?

[Xulfiqar]

economies of scale, again economies of scale, and a smoother operation principle, unlike in Pk where the daily sociopolitical situation changes on the whim of politicians and even a consistent energy supply is an alien concept - Indian population has a higher buying percentage than that of Pakistan, And they have a bit stricter laws for road vehicles.

e.g. They dont have 3 wheel converted ricksha carrying 15 pasengers on public roadways.

You cannot have a manufacturer sell you a low numbers production vehicle unless its subsidized. Another point is that you need people to actually be able to buy them.

Currently people buy a car and have it serviced at the local scrapyard. - Thats another whole comical situation because the comeback is "naye parts ke paisay nahi hain"

[Xulfiqar]

aww - got hurt bad..

lets put some recommendations on the table - according to you guys these manufacturers should be kicked out of the country - because you can buy cheaper versions of the same vehicles in half the time.

so whats stopping you from doing that right now - If the collective of you stop buying their products, they will close shop and leave. Just like when people stopped using big buses and circular railways for transport - they vanished.

[Xulfiqar]

Yes. Uncle jee starts ranting whenever anything is said against local assemblers. Logic and reason be damned.

The topic itself was meant to provoke and fish out anybody who dares to take a different view. I see all the school yard bullies (my bad, ‘senior pakwheelers’, defenders of pakistan industry, economy, morals, izzat, gherat) have all ganged up as usual. Youve fallen for an ambush my friend

NICE!

love it

[kamranghafoor77]

Use some common sense. We never said they should pack up and by the way they would never leave where there is profit these people are carrying out business not social services for the country.

We said we should be getting better services and products there should be more after sale. The rant you have been going on about is very scattered it seems you cant present cohesive thoughts.
I have said my 2 cents. I wont be commenting further as its useless to argue with witless people who show no flexibility to others views.

these companies have to make better quality cars (which wont hurt there profits( unfortunately they dont make chingchi's so thats a separate issue maybe you can take it up on a chingchi forum.

maybe if you stop ranting and actually read others views you might have better replies.

[Xulfiqar]

Mr ghafoor,

Your 2 cents are useless childish rants, let me give you another example, basic chevrolet LS can be bought as crate engine for under 4000 dollars. In basic tune it can pump out close to 350 hp without breaking a sweat, while toyota 2urfe costs about 13000 dollars, for the same displacement, slightly higher rev with lower torque at low rev.

The reason chevrolet can give you that engine for cheap is economies of scale. On the same token indus motors and ahmcl cannot deliver you the same car as elsewhere as it would become out of reach due to the small numbers of the units produced, regardless of the fact that more than 80% of its parts are made locally in Pakistan.

I think these basic factors are very simple and basic to understand, you seem to lack that knack and want to complain just for sake of complaining. Its not new, green passport and nadra card holders are supposed to do that otherwise they are spies

[kamranghafoor77]

I don t give a damn what you think to be honest. And so do alot of other people you seem to be a pundit of uselessness so carry on ranting while other people are amused at your analysis.

[Xulfiqar]

Very typical and expected answer from someone like you - as you have categorically answered questions with google baba information and a complete lack of understanding how manufacuring works

Thanks for the entertainment

Now please go order your bespoke Roller and leave us factory worker/ground floor peasants alone.

[hash737]

Theres no point ro prove someone so naive wrong. Most pakistanis have no knowledge but illusion of knowledge.

As some wise guy said.

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorancd but illusion of knowledge.

Pakistans market is very very tiny. Basic principles of economies of scale taught in school come in effect here. I pity kind of students being farmed at pakistani universities these days.

Pakistanis should protest about quality of education rather thn the quality of cars. Never stepped out of pindi but want to curse the investor who is hardly surviving in drowning economy.

[ehalin]

Theres no point ro prove someone so naive wrong. Most pakistanis have no knowledge but illusion of knowledge.

As some wise guy said.

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorancd but illusion of knowledge.

Pakistans market is very very tiny. Basic principles of economies of scale taught in school come in effect here. I pity kind of students being farmed at pakistani universities these days.

Pakistanis should protest about quality of education rather thn the quality of cars. Never stepped out of pindi but want to curse the investor who is hardly surviving in drowning economy.

For your info sir. Pakistan is probably the only country in the world where any investment having less than 100% IRR is considered a non-business by the your so called worthy "investors."

And I am sure, the way these assemblers have looted general public, if someone does an objective investigation, he will find out the bulk of profit that they have hoarded.

It is near to impossible in Pakistan, if someone wants to start a legitimate business.

But it is very easy to start a business, if you are able to understand how the system works and then 100% IRR is not difficult for anybody.

I do not understand your logic. On one side you are projecting yourself as a pro-Pakistani and preaching us not to abuse our own industry and on the other hand you are using the notions like, "having no knowledge, ignorant, very very tiny, pity kind of students, poor quality of education, etc." for us common Pakistanis.

Yeh kiya khula tazad nahin?????

[hash737]

What homework have you done to back your claims? Habe you ever worked in automotive industry? Or just making these claims along with other naive kids by reading Facebook posts that how much automotive company is making. Do you know honda pakistan was in loss till 2011 hinda city saved them they were on the brink of shutdown. Do you know suzuki from past 3-4 years is in loss.

Stop imposing your opinions kids by ASSUMING stuff.

Also i would really LIKE TO KNOW all the pnes complaining about car quality? Which one or you have travelled to thailand? Uae? Saudi Arabia? Compare the corolla sedan or civic sedan with all these countries with pkdm variant you WONT find much difference.

Stop believing in forwarded posts of flawed comparison where an idiot crosses fuel reminder of pkdm and tick marks fuel reminder in international variant.

Like i said, naive kids should complain to the govt for strict COMPLIANCE when it comes to safety only then one will follow.

A standard car manufacturer gets only 60% of the total invoice price you pay.....that too with our onlt 2 lakh car market in a year.

Zindagi mien kabhi khaaalis doodh piya nahi hai aur baatien car quality ki.

[SAV123]

I guess, we can keep our point and still be polite and respectful of others.

The whole point of these Pakwheels forums, as I understand, is to share knowledge so that others get enlightened.

God bless you all!

[ehalin]

What homework have you done to back your claims? Habe you ever worked in automotive industry? Or just making these claims along with other naive kids by reading Facebook posts that how much automotive company is making. Do you know honda pakistan was in loss till 2011 hinda city saved them they were on the brink of shutdown. Do you know suzuki from past 3-4 years is in loss.

Stop imposing your opinions kids by ASSUMING stuff.

Also i would really LIKE TO KNOW all the pnes complaining about car quality? Which one or you have travelled to thailand? Uae? Saudi Arabia? Compare the corolla sedan or civic sedan with all these countries with pkdm variant you WONT find much difference.

Stop believing in forwarded posts of flawed comparison where an idiot crosses fuel reminder of pkdm and tick marks fuel reminder in international variant.

Like i said, naive kids should complain to the govt for strict COMPLIANCE when it comes to safety only then one will follow.

A standard car manufacturer gets only 60% of the total invoice price you pay.....that too with our onlt 2 lakh car market in a year.

Zindagi mien kabhi khaaalis doodh piya nahi hai aur baatien car quality ki.

Your inner self is out here.

I think in your religion it is ok to "abuse" a nation but it is objectionable to say the "truth" about a pack of probably not more than 10 investors who have made a whole nation hostage.

I don't think we have to prove ourselves in front of you. You should not be worried who we are or what our qualifications are.

We are Pakistanis!