Peugeot 2008 , Dedicated Discussion Thread

[alitayyab]

Lager head unit
Same old stick shifter, no rocker shifter
No rear ac vents
new 3d icockpit display
Same pure crap engine

[pwuser174302131212]

I am confused between getting this or the new HR-V HEV. I am leaning towards the Peugeot only because of the sunroof which has been a lifelong dream of mine to have in a car. I also like how Peugeot allows you maintenance after 10,000 kilometers/6 months, versus 5,000 kilometers/3 months in most other cars, as I do not have time to regularly maintain the car. I do not drive much. I only drove my current vehicle around 60,000 kilometers in 8 years. I would be grateful for your and other members' guidance on which option I should go for (or if you would recommend any other similarly sized vehicle. I cannot get a bigger vehicle as I need something that is maneuverable in Karachi and relatively easy to park). Thank you.

[pwuser164163568474]

I do not drive much

The engine in the 2008 (puretech 1.2L) has had quite a controversial history. Basically the car has a wet timing belt that degrades over time and could destroy the engine if it fails. Short drives in this car tend to make it even worse. You can buy a tool to check the condition of the belt, but there's a risk factor of your engine snapping internally.

I also like how Peugeot allows you maintenance after 10,000 kilometers/6 months, versus 5,000 kilometers/3 months in most other cars, as I do not have time to regularly maintain the car.

Would you be surprised to hear that even with those different terms, the oil changes are cheaper on the HR-V when comparing yearly costs? An oil change takes like 5 mins, if you set appointments you should not have to worry too much about that.

If after hearing these things you still would want to go for a Peugeot, just make sure to drive long enough for the engine to get to operating temperature, make it a habit to look out for the timing belt, check if you are fine with the noisy AC fans, are ready to only change the oil at the showroom even though it costs like 30000 per oil change (as that is the only available oil here that helps with the timing belt)!

[alitayyab]

1. Peugeots dont have the best of reliabilities irrespective of the engine issues. It is usually in the middle of the pack, being surpassed by the likes of Kia, Suzuki etc etc

2. As has already been mentioned, due to the nature of the oil bathed rubber timing belt, it requires a special oil imported by Lucky and ONLY this oil can be used with the belt, without the belt literally melting away. The oil is super expensive running into 30ks IIRC. And that is just the cost of oil. And no there is no after market similar oil in Pakistan

3. Even if you can justify the cost of oil, other stuff for the car is super expensive as so few are made their is no OEM market.

4. The HVAC makes a ton of noise, while throwing not as much air as it makes noise.

5. The air intake is located down near the wheel arch and is prone to hydrolocking in standing rain water (safe limit IIRC is 155 or 185mm incl. waves).

6. The roof may sound like a good idea, but of all the SUVs, cars i have owned, never once I found it to be actually useful . Its one of those things that might look cool, but end up being next to useless. Plus given the amount of sun in our country, you dont want the interior heating any more than it already does

7. On the plus side, drive is very good, seats are comfy, the meter is pretty, although you would have to get used to looking above the steering wheel to see it. The new HU in the FL is said to be better than the pre FL which I had. There is a lot of power and torque and it is fun to push the car and see it go! Sound is decent, though we dont get focal branded audio that was available in the GT line units.

PS: I owned one, sold it after driving for about 7K, cuz was getting a good deal in which i could break even.

[heddie191]

On the plus side, drive is very good, seats are comfy, the meter is pretty, although you would have to get used to looking above the steering wheel to see it. The new HU in the FL is said to be better than the pre FL which I had. There is a lot of power and torque and it is fun to push the car and see it go! Sound is decent, though we dont get focal branded audio that was available in the GT line units.

Go for 2008 with eyes closed. It is much better build quality and has more features than HR-V. Yes turbo engines are sensitive and it does have wet timing belt, on the flip side that is also the reason you can achieve 15-16 KM/litre in city and 17-18 on long. The drive is better than a civic (I shifted from 10th Gen civic) The life of wet timing belt is around 100K-120K so that is reasonable.

I see most of the people bashing this car for no reason and in spite of that it is still the highest selling B/B+ segment crossover in the country. The segment itself is kinda dead so saying that this car isn't performing won't be true.

I own my car for 2.5 years now. Drove almost 30K KMs and plan to keep it for 3-4 years more.

[pwuser164163568474]

I see most of the people bashing this car for no reason

I'm sorry if my reasonings seemed like a bashing with no reason, I truly LOVED the way this thing drove when I had my test drive but ultimately decided against it because of two reasons; size and stiff suspension. The stiff suspension suits the car very well, feels like a little rocket, so I'm not saying that this was wrong with the car, but rather my requirement was something more bouncy due to the nature of roads I travel on daily. Also the size part was just not suitable for me, could have made it work but ultimately did not go for it.

All the info about the oil bathed timing belt came in later. I just wanted our fellow asker to know the exact risks that come with this. It is no doubt a great vehicle to drive, but I hope whoever buys these is aware of the points that were mentioned. If someone outweighs the pros to the cons I wish them many kilometers of happy driving.

[saadaqib00]

The oil is definitely not for 30k. Costs more like 14k if i remember correctly from my last oil change.
On a side note i checked with dealer ship they now have the tool to check engine timing belt if that concerns someone.

[saadaqib00]

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1. The air intake is located down near the wheel arch and is prone to hydrolocking in standing rain water (safe limit IIRC is 155 or 185mm incl. waves).

Can you give me source of this information where it says that the intake is located down near the wheel
Arch? I know in the manual it says the safe water limit is 155-185 mm which is true for any other manufacturer they all say water should not exceed the lower edges of the car. Asking for my own knowledge because i think the intake is actually located higher above possibly higher than where its located in a corolla or civic if you compare on height basis.

[alitayyab]

The safe level is actually150mm (page 85, intl. ed. handbook). I asked the service personnel why it is so mentioned. I was told the reason I mentioned . For most other cars i've driven i was told it is relatively safe as long as the exhaust pipe is not submerged.

[pwuser164163568474]

The oil is definitely not for 30k. Costs more like 14k if i remember correctly from my last oil change

That's great to hear that they reduced prices then. I'd highly appreciate it if you could note down the exact price during your next oil change!

On a side note i checked with dealer ship they now have the tool to check engine timing belt if that concerns someone.

That is even better news but do they check with every service or is it one of those things where it wouldn't even be mentioned unless someone asks?

[pwuser175297234243]

I am not saying any of them is saying wrong and ofcourse anyone can have a different opinion about a car but personally I have drove it 20k in a year now. Been twice to Khunjerab with 5 passengers including me, the driver, without any issues Alhamdulillah. Oil cost is around 14-15k, full periodic maintainence costs me 25-35k after 6 months.

So far, 0 issues on 34k driven total. Absolute beast to ride!

[darthvader]

35k for periodic maintenance is absolutely insane

[ArslanNawaz]

Period maintenance for my sportage and civic x is pretty similar too. No big deal.
I really like the new facelift, thinking about swapping my civic x with this

[mgalaxy3]

That’s a lot every 6 months.

Oil costs roughly 8-10k max per 6 months. Where is the rest of 25k going? Just oil filter ? And air/cabin filter?

[mgalaxy3]

New hybrid HRV is a no brainer.

Has all the latest features and comes with reliability, cheap parts and support throughout Pakistan even remote areas. Easy resale is another advantage.

Plus you’ll save a ton on fuel as well. Unless you like throw away cash for no reason on a non hev in a similar price range.

[heddie191]

No parking sensors, No sunroof. No blind spot monitoring. Not sure what 'features' mean to you. HR-V gasoline has a poor resale. Worse than 2008 or Stonic.

[pwuser164163568474]

Oil costs roughly 8-10k max per 6 months.

Not this oil, where Peugeot/Lucky are the only one importing it so there is not even any competition. I studied the market for a relative and there are no official imports of that oil.

That’s a lot every 6 months.

That is exactly why I wanted future owners to be aware of this BEFORE purchasing. It is a lot but there's enough people paying this amount in other cars throughout the year (probably to maintain warranty terms).

[darthvader]

Give me a break. I have a Civic X as well and I've been maintaining it every 5000km since I got it and it's at 80k km now. Not once has my bill crossed 20k. In fact I have the bill for 75k maintenance in my hand right now. It's Rs. 12.5k and for the oil it's Rs. 8050.

[pwuser164163568474]

See this is how it should be; but you've got a lot of people that are going every 3 months for an oil change because their warranty terms are dependent on it (I doubt any Civic X are still on warranty). Even then if the bills don't exceed 12.5k it would be 25k (2, 3 month services/5000km) vs 35k (6 month service/10000km). I can imagine their Sportage costing the same if they go to the showroom every 3 months

[heddie191]

Well, 2008 is not Civic X. It is far superior car and far too delicate that requires extra care.