Pics: 2010 Jaguar XFR

[NaXuN]

one fo the best cars...

[kahmed79]

Nice achievement from Jag & one hot-looking ride! However, I'll take the (5-year-old) M5 over this any day! (y)

Jag has no match with German rivals! E-63 & S/Rs6 are so damn good crafted... leave alone the M5, the benchmark!

I'm sorry but the S6 can't even come close to the XFR, I drove one a few months back and it was quite boring...besides the glorious engine note :p. Also, from what i've read, RS6 has crazy power but isn't much of a drivers car.

[NaXuN]

but M5 is still faster then

[salik990]

@kamran: i think he meant the new RS6 V10 twin turbo

[kahmed79]

@kamran: i think he meant the new RS6 V10 twin turbo

Yes, that's the car i'm talking about as well.

[sami_voodoo]

Speaking of the M5, I just thought it was fair to compare the benchmark with the latest performance sedan. Comparing the M5 to the XFR did remind me of when I compared the E46 M3 to the B7 RS4, the Bimmer felt like it was from a previous generation. I think it's fair to compare the M5 chassis to the XFR chassis but comparing the motors is somewhat unfair. I say somewhat because the M5 does have a V10 and the XFR has a supercharged V8. The character of both motors is different, the V10 loves to rev and has little torque, the SC V8 has loads of torque from the bottom but still loves to rev.

Actually, thinking about it, the comparison makes absolute sense. The king of sports saloon is/was the M5. And both motors make around the same power, only how they make it is different. I'd like a screaming V10 as much as an S/Ced V8. As for the gearboxes, an auto behind a screaming V10 would seem odd, so a robotised sequential manual was the right decision. Unfortunately, robotised manual gearboxes are only as good as the programming logic behind it. BMW wanted it to give lightning fast shifts, and sometimes, it's compromised for normal driving.

Now that you've brought up the RS4, it's surprising how short the RS4 mania has lasted. I would've thought that a car being such a big departure for Audi would've kept people talking for longer, but it doesn't seem so. Maybe it's got something to do with the limited production?

[kahmed79]

Sami

The RS4 is a special car but the E90/92 M3 and the AMG C63 are better. I think it's all a matter of timing. The RS4 was released before the M3 and C63 and thus both the Bimmer and Merc have the benefit of newer technology and a greater leap in development.

The problem with SMG in the M5 is that the shifts aren't lightning fast as BMW wanted. There's a considerable delay between shifts under hard throttle where the drivers head bobs back and forth, very annoying to say the least. The XFR's ZF trans is a jewel, shifts feel much quicker and smoother under all circumstances.

[DSM]

Nice achievement from Jag & one hot-looking ride! However, I'll take the (5-year-old) M5 over this any day! (y)

Jag has no match with German rivals! E-63 & S/Rs6 are so damn good crafted... leave alone the M5, the benchmark!

i totally agree.

[sami_voodoo]

The problem with SMG in the M5 is that the shifts aren't lightning fast as BMW wanted. There's a considerable delay between shifts under hard throttle where the drivers head bobs back and forth, very annoying to say the least. The XFR's ZF trans is a jewel, shifts feel much quicker and smoother under all circumstances.

I have a little question concerning the SMG gearbox, do you lift off the accelerator pedal a bit when shifting gears, or you keep it pinned to the floor? Apparently, I've read that a lot of semi-auto shifting cars are happier if you lift off a bit. It's a bit like a dog-boxed car (or a normal bike) on clutchless shift: You keep pressure on the lever, then as soon as you lift, the dogs slide out and re-engage on the higher gear. Then you floor it until the next shift.

[NashTrooper]

hmm....
M5 is M5!!
More faster.

[BMW7Series]

(Y)(Y)

[440]

fit hai !!

[kahmed79]

I have a little question concerning the SMG gearbox, do you lift off the accelerator pedal a bit when shifting gears, or you keep it pinned to the floor? Apparently, I've read that a lot of semi-auto shifting cars are happier if you lift off a bit. It's a bit like a dog-boxed car (or a normal bike) on clutchless shift: You keep pressure on the lever, then as soon as you lift, the dogs slide out and re-engage on the higher gear. Then you floor it until the next shift.

I don't lift off the gas between the gears. I know that doing so makes shifts smoother in older sequential systems like in the Ferrari F355/360 F1 and possibly even the SMG II E46 M3's but the E60 M5 has SMG III which shouldn't require the driver to come off the gas between gears. Having said that, the M5 I drove was a used example and it's quite possible that the clutch was worn down. I guess I could have tried to reset SMG. These sequential systems require a bit of maintenance and the loss of performance is significant as the car accumulates miles. One more thing, the SMG III systems learns the driving style of the driver and adapts accordingly. I bet my test drive wasn't long enough for the system to realize that I wanted fast shifts. I guess the previous driver didn't have a lead foot :D. Also, my previous experience with sequential systems in the Ferrari 360 CS, Aston Vanquish, Maserati Gransport, etc have all been positive. I didn't like the F430 F1 just because it felt too jerky and unrefined but the shifts were fast. Btw...I didn't lift off the gas between gears when I drove these cars.

[sami_voodoo]

Kamran

Dang! Full throttle shifts. I'd have to re-learn my driving to drive any of these cars. I always let off, and also, I have to say that I've never done a power-shift, not even in a rental :$.

Oh and about the SMG-III, can't you set the shift speed yourself as well? I though that you could set it in the i-Drive or a button on the center console.

About the F430 F1 gearbox, you know if you're standing at a stop light you're supposed to put it into neutral? That's because the gearbox wants to give you a bit of creep like in an auto, so the clutch is always slipping a bit. yikes!

[Clubshaker_UK]

I love this XF-R i've personally seen one for real and i just love it, It's such a nice car to be in and drive. M5 is more of performance (yes i love it aswell), but this Jag is awesome aswell and i think it's one of the best in it's range(Y).

[kahmed79]

Kamran

Dang! Full throttle shifts. I'd have to re-learn my driving to drive any of these cars. I always let off, and also, I have to say that I've never done a power-shift, not even in a rental :$.

Oh and about the SMG-III, can't you set the shift speed yourself as well? I though that you could set it in the i-Drive or a button on the center console.

About the F430 F1 gearbox, you know if you're standing at a stop light you're supposed to put it into neutral? That's because the gearbox wants to give you a bit of creep like in an auto, so the clutch is always slipping a bit. yikes!

I don't think full throttle shifts are too much to ask :D, afterall these sequentials are designed (or should be designed) to handle them. However, I never drive a manual transmission car like that.

Yes you can set the shift speed yourself, which in the M5 I set to S6 as it's the fastest.

Yup, I know about shifting to neutral when standing at a stop. This should be practiced with all sequential gearbox cars, not just the F430 F1.

[waleed80]

dats a hotty

[Clubshaker_UK]

[kahmed79]

Looks really nice in silver.

[abdullah1]

M5 for me anyday

However i just love the interior of this Jag