(Rant)So I had a dream

[sk_020]

You know, they will leave the cities eventually. I can't recall the exact words neither I remember the name of the person who said it but he was a Russian and said that the Army barracks should never be in cities and instead should be in the worse places on the earth. If they're in the city than all this luxury and comfort will spoil their fighting capabilities. .

You know how Russian soldiers are Rude with their nation? Have u ever met any russian? if u get a chance please ask about it. I Myself seen Russian soldiers behaving with their citizens. Russian soldiers are taught that they are superior than citizens, Civil servants. That's why Russian people say that they should be never in cities. Yes they are taught from the very first day when a guy join their army..
There's a big difference in our Army and Russian army. Our soldier gets a lesson that He should behave very politely with citizens for the very first day when he joins PMA.

When our country is in Situation of war. Cursing our forces is not less than outbreak..

Even we cry that a colonel in army gets a plot after serving more than 15 years.. Doesn't he deserve it? If u ppl know that a 17-18-19 grade Govt officer also gets a plot in a well repute area? and we know 17 grade CDA officers got plots in I-8(a posh sector of islamabad) 2-3 years back and plots are highly priced (above 1.5 crores). Why dont we cry upon them?
Look at govt secretaries.
20/21 grade officers. If u look at their lifestyles. They are living like Kings. 4-5 govt pooled vehicles in their homes for every family member. and we dont cry while lookin at their charms?

Why?

Why we only curse our forces?

I want answer of my question please. Then i ll talk further more about it..
and I think you dont know what type of army person bears difficulties in his life.

[sk_020]

Interesting - but thats called terrorism not war. Unless Pakistan has adapted the american dictionary in which even a cat hunting a mouse is called war.

Pakistan has not adopted American dictionary For gods sake..

Have u ever visited Waziristan? Swat? before operation?

[airomerix]

@toofani

I dont know why have you given the example of russian army mainly because they have a history of raping and murdering more then any other soldier on this planet. In 1944-45, Russian soldiers ALONE raped 5,00,000 german women! So quoting russian examples wouldnt help.

The matter is simple, you want our military to shift themselves out of populated areas because you want to take RANDOM pictures of worlds ugliest buildings and heighten walls. And then you MIND them pointing their rifles at you because you have your own dignity but what you FAIL to recognize their OWN diginity which they abandon by patrolling the streets 24/7 just to make sure any civilianLIKE YOU isnt harmed.

For heavens sake throw this hatred out of yourself and let others see the true picture. They donot join the army to get PAID infact its the fighting spirit for PAKISTAN and YOU which makes them motivated and which makes them EAGER to take on a bullet for people like us.

Pakistan is in great danger! Everyday dozens of people are KILLED in your own city and you are pretending like we are PEACE and we donot need those guys patrolling the streets because you are denied the right to take some random pictures? That is because you are UNAFFECTED from terrorism TILL NOW.

Have I said enough?

[BackToCivicFaiez]

^its a political party doing these killings using thugs...

and btw was the airbase built first or the societies around it built first?
cuz its 1st come 1st serve basis when it comes to land. If the airbase came first, then societies shouldnt have been built around it.

[sk_020]

^^Its not an individual party doing this all. Other major party is also playing role in all this situation. Who is providing weapons to target killers? They are equipped with american assault rifles(M4). From where are they getting them.. Its totally clear.
I dont want to start politic discussion here. Every sensible person knows the reason of target killing in karachi.

[RetardedBuddy]

Why we only curse our forces?

Get your facts straight, We started cursing armed forces recently, government people are being cursed since ages

[airomerix]

Get your facts straight, We started cursing armed forces recently, government people are being cursed since ages

Thanks to Prevaiz Musharraf.

[sk_020]

Thanks to Prevaiz Musharraf.

No its not only Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf.

Our Rigid Scholars also played a big role in all this scenario against army..
I remember back in 2000. I went to offer Namaz e eid in a mosque. khitba was going on. and u know. Politics were being discussed at that tym in mosque instead of Ahadees/Islamic history/Education during the khitba of namaz e eid.. At that tym the khateeb was cursing army and he was a well known scholar of city and people sitting there were appreciating him.

I also belong to the family of Islamic scholars. My grandfather is a well known member of Jamat e islami. and ex-principal of Jamia Naeemia lahore Moulana Sarfaraaz Naeemi. were cousin of my grand mother.
I never ever heard a single word of hate against forces from them and they used to encourage us to join army.
Yes. they used to curse general Musharraf but not Army. Reason of Cursing Gen.Musharraf. Because he was president and chief of army staff at the same time.

[sk_020]

Get your facts straight, We started cursing armed forces recently, government people are being cursed since ages

But why? Why you have started cursing forces recently? Any major reason?

[memad]

Thanks to Prevaiz Musharraf.

The previous Army Rulers should be thanked equally otherwise un ki rooh tarap uthay gi.

[dms664]

Thanks to Prevaiz Musharraf.

atleast he was/is better than zardari,nawaz and all such lot/

[Xulfiqar]

@toofani

I dont know why have you given the example of russian army mainly because they have a history of raping and murdering more then any other soldier on this planet. In 1944-45, Russian soldiers ALONE raped 5,00,000 german women! So quoting russian examples wouldnt help.

The matter is simple, you want our military to shift themselves out of populated areas because you want to take RANDOM pictures of worlds ugliest buildings and heighten walls. And then you MIND them pointing their rifles at you because you have your own dignity but what you FAIL to recognize their OWN diginity which they abandon by patrolling the streets 24/7 just to make sure any civilianLIKE YOU isnt harmed.

For heavens sake throw this hatred out of yourself and let others see the true picture. They donot join the army to get PAID infact its the fighting spirit for PAKISTAN and YOU which makes them motivated and which makes them EAGER to take on a bullet for people like us.

Pakistan is in great danger! Everyday dozens of people are KILLED in your own city and you are pretending like we are PEACE and we donot need those guys patrolling the streets because you are denied the right to take some random pictures? That is because you are UNAFFECTED from terrorism TILL NOW.

Have I said enough?

Agree with you - But if our Army is so patriotic and do dedicated then how come we have these alien terrorists entering Pakistan till now, blowing up stuff, Is the military busy with something more important than protect its borders. Most recent example - an alien craft entered Abbottabad and our entire forces had no clue???

Speaking of terrorism, Ive lost 2 freinds to it, recently my kid cousin and his father was shot while coming home, My car has been fired upon too. Dont tell me that I dont know how it feels.

[Xulfiqar]

Pakistan has not adopted American dictionary For gods sake..

Have u ever visited Waziristan? Swat? before operation?

yes I have, and how does that fit into the conversation here.

The reason for the american dictionary is - they have classified the word WAR into everyday life - why because most 'mericans are redneck gun slinging idiots who get their jollies from shooting stuff.

[BackToCivicFaiez]

@xulfiqar : that was a stealth copter and usama bin laden was target. You dont want whole world to start thinking pakistan supported usama and u dont want usa to have a reason to invade pakistan. offcourse we have nukes to defend ourselves, but we cannot deploy them in washington or newyork in large amounts using missiles the way the americans can nuke us...

[Xulfiqar]

You know, they will leave the cities eventually. I can't recall the exact words neither I remember the name of the person who said it but he was a Russian and said that the Army barracks should never be in cities and instead should be in the worse places on the earth. If they're in the city than all this luxury and comfort will spoil their fighting capabilities.

You're left for states so you must have missed it, After PNS mehran episode, naval guards constantly patrol the whole stretch of road uptill bahria uni now (some half asleep some awake with their rifles between their legs literally ) and they had walls, and now they are building another stretch of som-sort of enforced walls 50 fts ahead of the current one. Also they raised the heights again but forgot the small mountains opposite them are still highers. The posh Gulshan society up there remember? These guys are ridiculously stupid.

Aeromerix: Keep politics aside please. This is a genuine discussion (related) and we have to let them know before another Sarfaraz Shah episode takes place.

Thats the difference sirjee, a gun is pointed at you if you stare too long than a minute at their vehicles. Not my fault, but I've never given into oppressors.
Thanks for joining in.

Short term thinking, and a half asleep soldier with a hand weapon is like security of 600 years ago

[Xulfiqar]

@xulfiqar : that was a stealth copter and usama bin laden was target. You dont want whole world to start thinking pakistan supported usama and u dont want usa to have a reason to invade pakistan. offcourse we have nukes to defend ourselves, but we cannot deploy them in washington or newyork in large amounts using missiles the way the americans can nuke us...

So you are saying that OUR forces and intelligence are so lame that they cannot detect aircraft and they had no idea that Laden was actually there - WHY ARE THE FORCES THERE FOR?

for the thinking bit - What do you think the world thinks now, They think of our forces are comical after that incident.

What next - someone drives over the border and blows up an entire city and we get a reason - that it was a stealth operation by someone and we had no idea.

[BackToCivicFaiez]

Short term thinking, and a half asleep soldier with a hand weapon is like security of 600 years ago

so wat u want? Long term investment fund manager with several gallons of coffee equipped with bazookas and rockets??

[BackToCivicFaiez]

So you are saying that OUR forces and intelligence are so lame that they cannot detect aircraft and they had no idea that Laden was actually there - WHY ARE THE FORCES THERE FOR?

for the thinking bit - What do you think the world thinks now, They think of our forces are comical after that incident.

What next - someone drives over the border and blows up an entire city and we get a reason - that it was a stealth operation by someone and we had no idea.

it was probably pre-planned....Obama's election campaign needed something to start with....

Stealth technology is even undetectable by american radars. So we are not the only victims. If an F22 raptor goes into full stealth mode, even USAF dont know where it is. They just assume the pilot will remain loyal to state and not sell it in dera adam khel...

One can come into our border cities and bomb it and perhaps even manage to destroy a small town/city, but the army force is designed to keep the country as a whole intact. Enemy can come into our territory and stay there for maybe a few hours or a day or two maybe if lucky and undetected but cannot permanently capture the land.

And even if such a situation occurs, civil alarms will ring and the place will be evacuated or people told to keep low....

the abotabad was just a game , same thing like 9/11 , tube bombings and etc etc...

[BackToCivicFaiez]

Forgot to mention one more thing.....ISI network is very very complex, their goals not clear at all. They didnt see osama bin laden as the enemy. So wat if the guy supposedly destroyed 2 buildings and killed a few thousand people when the americans have planned the killings of 100 times as many? <<<<< This is probably ISI view ( not mine )

They were trying to train "terrorists" or mujahids to support war effort in afghanistan maybe to drive usa out, then they maybe struck a deal with CIA or something...

[Xulfiqar]

so wat u want? Long term investment fund manager with several gallons of coffee equipped with bazookas and rockets??

Stop being bipolar

realistically something more productive than a half asleep soldier, like inquiring the fact of how to detect intrusion and counteract it - and intrusion does not happen at the front gate I assure you that - so why do they need to deploy such personell - "advertisement" I guess.