Reviews about Total Lubricants

[GoodMan7]

Oils are graded according to performance specs for emmissions, lubricity, thermal stability etc. Every oil container have them printed on it.

Who have time to take samples of same grade/same viscose local & imported oils to the lab and have them tested and post results here?
Here in Pak. its not engine oils that are running cars, these are infact our minds. If Mr. X is satisfied with shell hx3 20/50 and changing after 5K, then he will be happy, he will feel his engine happy with it too. Conversely totally ignoring the actual oil change interval of this oil is 3~3.5K. So its not the oil, but its mind that keep us satisfied about the oil that we are consuming (this strategy purely based on Pak. mentality).

So, majority of our brothers are satisfied with using local mineral oils and its changing intervals. They will never know that some good imported oils are available for better performance & results. They will just say "Oh. Imported oils, just leave them, all are fake." Infact I'll call it ignorance and lack of awareness.

[GoodMan7]

Total lubricants are best for vehicles. Iam using Total Quartz 9000 in my Honda City 2013, Total Quartz 5000 in my Cultus 2012.. Both oils are xcelent and performed very very good. Better then zic and helix

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And the changing intervals are ??

[GoodMan7]

Dear
Please see the world ranking of major lube companies, operating globally. Hope it will clear your doubts. There is no mentioning of PTT, LM, Kixx etc.

Regards

Shell, Exxon Mobil, Cheveron, Sinopec, etc. are good & big international companies.
But its also true that they don't have single factory to supply their products to the whole world.
I'll grow old by writing it number of times, that quality of the shell's or total's or exxon's or cheveron's, etc. engine oils are different with respect to countries. Plz understand this open truth. Quality of the lubricants varies from country to country. Because Toyota's cars Made in Japan, Made in USA, Made in Europe, etc. all cars are not same. There are some differences. Similarly Mobile companies, Electronics manufacturers, etc. etc. there are number of examples for us to understand.
All the base oils is coming from SA & UAE mainly. But its been blended with additives over here. "Fuel Quality is also very very important factor". I know Zulfiqar will never get agree on it, but I've already asked it to number of people and just zulfiqar is the only one who is just disagreeing with it because he want to keep his dominance as a keeper of superior knowledge. But its true, fuel quality is among the major factors that effect.

I personally call Shell, Caltex, Castrol, etc. are local companies because they are blending oils here.
I've tons of knowledge to share here, but always think about the ignorance of the majority who will oppose first rather than being agree.

[GoodMan7]

If quality is not maintained, quantity cannot be sustained.

Pak. made mineral oils (means from shell, total, etc,) are only good for 3~4K. Driving them over will bring serious harms for engines.
Whereas LM mineral oil 20/50 is recommended for 5K minimum. And if the fuel quality is better, then even till 6K is OK.
PTT Mineral oil 4~4.5K.
So where is the quality of shell/total as compared with PTT & LM?

[GoodMan7]

The companies operating globally would never compromise on quality in any part of the world, as there are standards to be followed. Based on it their quantity is maintained.

Infact they do & certainly do. If not compromise, then we may call it modification. Because car engines & operating conditions are not same in the whole world.

[GoodMan7]

@goodman7
I'd like to know which car manufacturer recommends or approves you to use ptt or kixx oil.
Shell helix ultra exceeds API SN/CF* and has a list of approvals which you should read. It is also filled in every ferrari- even the formula 1 race cars.

I think you are the person who should change your perspective towards things manufactured in your own country. No offence intended bro.

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PTT & Kixx are not local oils. So Pak. made engines can never recommend it. But surely the origins from where these oils have came, they certainly do.
Very important: Why my most suggestions go for PTT, LM, Kixx? Because these are the only available well known engine oils available in Lahore. There are hundreds of other good oil companies too. But unluckily we are having only few options available here. That’s why.

For shell ultra, I agree its very supreme quality oil. But if you buy this oil from Pak. and send to Formula 1 race cars in USA, then am sure it will not win. LOL

Some times changes happens immediately. But sometimes it takes decades. So the engine oil is the thing that will take decades for sure for majority of our brothers to get aware about it.

[spectra]

Quartz 7000 and 9000 is imported one, not packed here. Very good value for money and can be used for 10k km easily in our conditions with filter change in between.

Even locally packed ones are fine. Using quartz 5000 in one of my cars and works perfectly fine.

[omarabdullah022]

PTT & Kixx are not local oils. So Pak. made engines can never recommend it. But surely the origins from where these oils have came, they certainly do.
Very important: Why my most suggestions go for PTT, LM, Kixx? Because these are the only available well known engine oils available in Lahore. There are hundreds of other good oil companies too. But unluckily we are having only few options available here. That’s why.

For shell ultra, I agree its very supreme quality oil. But if you buy this oil from Pak. and send to Formula 1 race cars in USA, then am sure it will not win. LOL

Some times changes happens immediately. But sometimes it takes decades. So the engine oil is the thing that will take decades for sure for majority of our brothers to get aware about it.

1) Nobody recommends PTT or KIXX. If somebody does-who?
2) Have a little faith in Pakistan. You yourself are Pakisistani and practically calling yourself a cheater. Not all oils are fake.
What do you have to say for the cars that have done 300k+ kms on the same engine with caltex havoline 20w-50?

[Xulfiqar]

@ Goodman7,

you have a serious syndrome of "mehanga and vilaayatee achaa hota hai" - There are a bunch of people like you that I know and have had a real comical time with them.

Let me quote you ONE very simple example.

Mercedes Benz 7spd automatic gearbox takes a specific ATF, its listed as MB spec sheet 236.14. One of the approved oils is Shell ATF 134 - which is easily available in USA for about USD 65/- for 12 qts (11.35 litres). Very cheap, It is packed so cheap that the bottles it comes in are not even sealed and the bottle surface is very badly finished.

Some weird benz owners only prefer to buy Febi or Meyle brand oil because it says made in Germany - lol, it costs about USD 130/- to buy the same quantity - WHY do they do that? they are idiots by all stretch.

Idiots why?

MB has spoken that shell, Mobil and Valvoline ATF 134 is recommended for these gearboxes, why should a person be really obtuse and go buy an oil that is not even from an oil company (btw Febi etc get Fuchs or Shell de oils). Even when the actual oil is cheaper to buy.

Now your problem of "no one has time to test any thing" then how can you take the word of LM oils just because its from Germany, Castrol is from BP in the UK, shell is from Holland. Every corporate brand remains the same around the world. e.g. Colgate toothpaste from Pakistan is exactly the same if you buy it from Harrods London, It wont feel like you kissed a "hoor" if you buy the Harrods one because its british.

As your post count increases it does seem that you are not even on the surface of oil tribology, Your shopkeeping experience is very dangerous to be used as recommendation because your experiences are only on "feel". You have nothing to back it up, just like you are using CVT oil in your shifting gearbox because it feels "smooth" - too smooth in automatic gearbox can be a disaster as the clutches are not catching when required - but you wont understand it because you dont know how it works and you think that all companies are fooling customers around the world.

Its quite simple, your android phone is made in china but it follows ONE specification which is set globally by the brand owner, What you are talking about is the plentiful fraud businessmen in Pakistan who take pride in selling fake items from all around the world. These morons go to China and buy the most cheapest pieces of crap, pack it in a container and sell in Pakistan - some even claim to be "authorised dealers" which is nothing but bull potty.

How do I know of such - well, ... I work in a facility that actually "invents" stuff for petrochemicals, high performance polymers, surfactants, urethanes and a plethora of divisions - so much so that at any given time you would be using a product of their patents

But its your choice, but remember that, "kam ilmi is far more dangerous than laa ilmi"

[Teeboyuk]

Go on bro....wow

[faiz.aslam.121]

Xulfiqar Bhai is right- we don't have the necessary tools and technology readily available to check oils.

I've seen xlis driven beyond 2 lac km on normal oil(20-50) and they are still running strong on their original engine.

They also get diesel sprayed and engine washed with high pressure water and revved beyond 3000 Rpms on Cng.

On the other hand- being paranoid that all oils are fake and the most expensive or imported ones are the best.

Never spray diesel since it ruins the suspension and using high pressure water damages engine parts.

There is more to used engine oil than the grade and the API crap. It's about the oil withstanding and keeping its lubrication at a certain temperature.

I personally didn't know if I should've used suzuki genuine engine oil or LM. I just use LM since it's a new thing for me;) plus if people still buy me mehrans and xlis, it's gotta be tough to convert them from local blended to imported oils lol.

[ut0201]

Shell, Exxon Mobil, Cheveron, Sinopec, etc. are good & big international companies.
But its also true that they don't have single factory to supply their products to the whole world.
I'll grow old by writing it number of times, that quality of the shell's or total's or exxon's or cheveron's, etc. engine oils are different with respect to countries. Plz understand this open truth. Quality of the lubricants varies from country to country. Because Toyota's cars Made in Japan, Made in USA, Made in Europe, etc. all cars are not same. There are some differences. Similarly Mobile companies, Electronics manufacturers, etc. etc. there are number of examples for us to understand.
All the base oils is coming from SA & UAE mainly. But its been blended with additives over here. "Fuel Quality is also very very important factor". I know Zulfiqar will never get agree on it, but I've already asked it to number of people and just zulfiqar is the only one who is just disagreeing with it because he want to keep his dominance as a keeper of superior knowledge. But its true, fuel quality is among the major factors that effect.

I personally call Shell, Caltex, Castrol, etc. are local companies because they are blending oils here.
I've tons of knowledge to share here, but always think about the ignorance of the majority who will oppose first rather than being agree.

Sir,
Kindly share ur opinion & advice ab locally avaliable synthetic & miniral oils. and which one is best for our cars. i m using Total 5/30 in my Corolla & city as recomended by dealers

[cancer4u28]

Toyota Dealer recomend u Total 5/30?

[omarabdullah022]

Whenever i go they say [I]ye tyoyta jenyn ail dalay gaa!

[/I]I know honda and suzuki use total oil but im not sure about toyota!

They also give me a 5k kms interval for mineral oil and believe me it is not in as bad shape you would expect it to be!

[GoodMan7]

Whenever i go they say [I]ye tyoyta jenyn ail dalay gaa!

[/I]I know honda and suzuki use total oil but im not sure about toyota!

They also give me a 5k kms interval for mineral oil and believe me it is not in as bad shape you would expect it to be!

MAL Pak. is packing n supplying oils to toyota. Its visibly mentioned at backside of the toyota oil bottles.
Mal pak. is also doing the same job for mobil1 pak. too.

[Xulfiqar]

MAL Pak. is packing n supplying oils to toyota. Its visibly mentioned at backside of the toyota oil bottles.
Mal pak. is also doing the same job for mobil1 pak. too.

Yep because toyota is not an oil company, what they have given is a technical spec sheet and chose the best bidder for the job.

In UAE toyota is filled by ADNOC
in UK is BP
in USA its Chevron

etc etc.

[GoodMan7]

Sir,
Kindly share ur opinion & advice ab locally avaliable synthetic & miniral oils. and which one is best for our cars. i m using Total 5/30 in my Corolla & city as recomended by dealers

Sir,
I don't like local oils (Shell, Caltex, total, Castrol, PSO) because of their low performance as per my experience. These companies less sell new oils but refined the old ones and re-pack them.
While the imported oils are "newly produced". (all my personal experience only).
But hope someone else can reply better.

[Newton]

Which gear oil is good for corolla xli 2010 ? I changed at 40k with caltex thubaan viscosity was within limit but gears hav gone very hard in winters specially early mornig start and as soon as I release the clutch after start the car move a lil bit forward rpm drops and I can hear a little humming sound but if I press clutch again every thing goes back to normal but gears stay hard for a while.

Kindly help and suggest @ Xulfiqar

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[GoodMan7]

2) Have a little faith in Pakistan. You yourself are Pakisistani and practically calling yourself a cheater. Not all oils are fake.
What do you have to say for the cars that have done 300k+ kms on the same engine with caltex havoline 20w-50?

Well, if we go little deeper in sense of purity, then very unluckily in Pak. we are not getting pure things like Milk, Even Vegetables, Honey, Cooking oils, Cooking oils, Drinks, Fuel, Spare parts, Dyes, Most miserably Water & Medicines, Etc. etc.

Every day millions of Pakis. spent tons of hours to discuss it but still these things seems unevitable to control because our brothers who are doing this want to be rich to richest.
Hence I personally highly doubt the quality of the lubricants which are being prepared in Pak. even by international companies.

If the car has done 300K on Havoine 20/50 without engine overhauling, then it could be the luckiest incident or maybe engine oil is being changed much earlier than schedule. Because this is a common threat from all the pak. mechanics to change the oils earlier for better engine health. For me, its weird to change even mineral engine oil after 2 or even 3K. If its good quality mineral oil, then 5K should be the min. change interval.
These are mechanics who made the havoline oil so popular and so was accepted by majority of our brothers without knowing its quality & grading.

[omarabdullah022]

Well, if we go little deeper in sense of purity, then very unluckily in Pak. we are not getting pure things like Milk, Even Vegetables, Honey, Cooking oils, Cooking oils, Drinks, Fuel, Spare parts, Dyes, Most miserably Water & Medicines, Etc. etc.

Every day millions of Pakis. spent tons of hours to discuss it but still these things seems unevitable to control because our brothers who are doing this want to be rich to richest.
Hence I personally highly doubt the quality of the lubricants which are being prepared in Pak. even by international companies.

If the car has done 300K on Havoine 20/50 without engine overhauling, then it could be the luckiest incident or maybe engine oil is being changed much earlier than schedule. Because this is a common threat from all the pak. mechanics to change the oils earlier for better engine health. For me, its weird to change even mineral engine oil after 2 or even 3K. If its good quality mineral oil, then 5K should be the min. change interval.
These are mechanics who made the havoline oil so popular and so was accepted by majority of our brothers without knowing its quality & grading.

Things are not as pure as people think even outside of Pakistan, however quality is relatively better...
What better mineral oil is available in pakistan?