Strange Noise of Chir Chir in Gear Box of Suzuki Khyber in Winters...?

[Xulfiqar]

Dont forget that used up thick gel like gear oil wont help, change it out every 2 years. And always start the engine with clutch pressed.

[usman505]

the sound is of the fifth gear needle bearing. The gear oil when cold, its thick and do not reach the needle bearing and thus produces the sound. Check level of gear oil first. If its ok, then i think there is no other solution without splitting the gear box. When i faced the problem in my khyber, i over comed it like this: Do not rev engine at start up. If revved once the sound starts and will continue till warm up. Let it warm up at just idle. Then drive slowly so that the rpm remains low. When on main road you can then drive normally.

yes on road in 3rd gear sound vanishes .
and this sound occurs only in winter season

[usman505]

Dont forget that used up thick gel like gear oil wont help, change it out every 2 years. And always start the engine with clutch pressed.

so u mean use thin oil for gear ?
plz tell some grade(s) for gear oil

[Xulfiqar]

API GL3 or GL44 SAE 75W90 mineral oil - also perfect for your charade application, Any Honda user - please do not pour gear oil in your gearbox unless you like your gear lever to feel like its set in cement.

[Naveed539]

@ Xulfiqar bhae...
I have already changed the gear oil and replaced that with Varco SAE-90 grade oil...But still the sound is coming...?

[Xulfiqar]

Your 5th idler is rattling, cant help it short of a tear down and repair. I would never use that "Warco" branded product - its very very dodgy in Pakistan. I have seen 2 to 10 no. copies of it.

[shqamar]

Your 5th idler is rattling, cant help it short of a tear down and repair. I would never use that "Warco" branded product - its very very dodgy in Pakistan. I have seen 2 to 10 no. copies of it.

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xulfiqar , what gear oil would u recommend for cultus carby and rating 75w90 would suit cultus transmission and 3 litres would be exact to pour in ?

[Xulfiqar]

mobil, ZIC, FUCHS, Emarat, Liqui moly - all sell good products to suit your requirements. The reason small shops dont stock them is price and credit

[Haider53]

Same awaz coming from my cultus in winter season.

[Naveed539]

@ Xulfiqar
People used to say abt Zic 75W-85 that it is as thin as water and it wil not suit old cars like suzuki khyber or so rather it is best suited for brand new cars gear boxes...Wot would you say upon this Xulfiqar bhae...Should we still then useb Zic 75W-85 in My Khyber 1998...?

[Xulfiqar]

@ Xulfiqar
People used to say abt Zic 75W-85 that it is as thin as water and it wil not suit old cars like suzuki khyber or so rather it is best suited for brand new cars gear boxes...Wot would you say upon this Xulfiqar bhae...Should we still then useb Zic 75W-85 in My Khyber 1998...?

Those people need to get out of the steam engine era. Oil is used per spec not by "mota tael se set chalay ga"

Hondas spec engine oil in their gearboxes
many european manual gears use ATF

both the above are way way thinner than 75W85 gear oil. It does not mean that they were crazy to spec it. I have repaired a stiff shifting Land Rover Discovery just by draining out the SAE 140 + grease + STP oil from the gearbox and filling up with ATF - the owner and his driver had also heard, never change gear oil and use the thickest available, When I drained and started filling ATF he was bhai aap ko kaam aata nahin hai - yeh danda gear hai aatometik nahin - to which I told him to sit down and be quiet. Once I was done I drove the truck with him for 40 kms. The problem had rectified itself, the reason to drive so long was to show him that the gear is not siezing or doing anything stupid what he was fearing from the thin ATF.

Using a super thick oil will cause damage as it cannot move fast enough in the gears and will also churn due to added friction and heat up. So please use the correct spec if you want reliable service.

[Naveed539]

so it means that i can use zic 75w-85 in my Khyber comfortably irrespective of the extream thinness of this oil...?
2ndly as per your latest reply, it will be childish to think in this way that as if oil is thin, it would not really help for old cars like khyber etc...?

[Xulfiqar]

the viscosity of oil is dictated by the manufacturer to match the specific requirements as they actually designed it too - they did not do it on wild guess

[afarooqi]

mobil, ZIC, FUCHS, Emarat, Liqui moly - all sell good products to suit your requirements. The reason small shops dont stock them is price and credit

Does the same oil is recommended for a mazda gearbox, 1.6 626 engine with floor shift transmission?

[Naveed539]

I recently asked the machanic to open the Gear oil point and check is it up to the level or Not...I was shocked because i already put 3 litres of Warco gear oil earlier but i was more surprised by the fact that i had to pour one more liter so on the whole it came about to be 4 Litres where as the capacity was 3 litres maximum...Which shows that how much 2 Number these local oil companies are...they showed on the gear oil packing that it contained 1 litre But on thw whole it was less than 1 liter..Also i want to add that the sound got reduced by 85% by topping up of gear oil...so the sound of khir khir was because of low gear oil levels...Just wanted to share these two things with you guys...

[Xulfiqar]

I recently asked the machanic to open the Gear oil point and check is it up to the level or Not...I was shocked because i already put 3 litres of Warco gear oil earlier but i was more surprised by the fact that i had to pour one more liter so on the whole it came about to be 4 Litres where as the capacity was 3 litres maximum...Which shows that how much 2 Number these local oil companies are...they showed on the gear oil packing that it contained 1 litre But on thw whole it was less than 1 liter..Also i want to add that the sound got reduced by 85% by topping up of gear oil...so the sound of khir khir was because of low gear oil levels...Just wanted to share these two things with you guys...

Its not the packaging - trust me, gear oil level is the one item nearly all service stations cheat on in Pakistan. Gear oil level does not go down unless its leaking - the usual story of "topping up gear oil" is a scam played by such service stations. The new oil you buy never gets into your car.

Its really easy to change gear oil in a car if you have a funnel on a pipe and someway to lift a car.

[Xulfiqar]

Does the same oil is recommended for a mazda gearbox, 1.6 626 engine with floor shift transmission?

yes, its filled from the fill port, if the mechanic is trying to fill it from the lever, stop him because you might never know of the correct level.

[afarooqi]

yes, its filled from the fill port, if the mechanic is trying to fill it from the lever, stop him because you might never know of the correct level.

Ok, thankx Xulfiqar bhai. First thing i will do these weekend is to remove the tinwala mota tail, and fill it with ATF.

[Xulfiqar]

Ok, thankx Xulfiqar bhai. First thing i will do these weekend is to remove the tinwala mota tail, and fill it with ATF.

HOLD ON HERE.

the above brands are for availablilty of manual gear oils, your car takes regular 75W90 GL4 manual gear lube not ATF. The ATF example was of cars that are actually specified for it - e.g. MB etc specify it.

[afarooqi]

HOLD ON HERE.

the above brands are for availablilty of manual gear oils, your car takes regular 75W90 GL4 manual gear lube not ATF. The ATF example was of cars that are actually specified for it - e.g. MB etc specify it.

Oh my bad. I totally misunderstood the guidance. Thanks to you for informing promptly before i could get it changed.
Thanks brother.