The "EC1 Scam" Thread

[atta1111]

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@atta1111 your bold black font pitch & caps is sign of your frustration, attempting to skip the legit question(s) asked by skilled people.

If you just want this to 'LET GO' only way out is to accept YOUR criminal attempt to make money from innocent people OR Just disappear from forum. In anycase, this will remain in:

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[atta1111]

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[VCheng]

I had not attempted the fraud and not insulted the Intelligence of all senior member's I am explaining the whole thing technically to the HAJI SAAB because he had much knowledge about the engine and their electrical functioning . SO I AM INCREASING THE KNOWLEDGE FOR THEM OK I am not at any fault here. SO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND LET IT GO IN A GOOD WAY.

YOU are "increasing" the knowledge here is like claiming the night increases sunlight!

[atta1111]

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[VCheng]

This EC1 works much better!

[SER_GTR]

The thing is the valve will definatly burn and the engine will destroy if we will cross the limit's beyond 17.9:1 of AFR ratio at normal tune up we tune the vehicle at 17.3:1 which is acceptable by the engine and no power loss or hesitation is experienced and hence the exhaust temperature remain's same only 10 to 15 degrees increase is noticed upon full inspection. YES firstly when we created this system we tested several engine's on different AFR offset's going beyond 17.9:1 is a disaster for normal gasoline engine we had investigated the safe limit's for different engine's on our disposal in our Engine bay storage. and after doing research we set's some limitation's for every tune up we did with EC1

Any Thing above 15:1 And Run It On WOT Will Make Engine Go In Overheat And Serious Blown Condition Sooner Or Later.....You either Burn Valves Can Damage Rings And Can Blow Pistons In Result......!!

The Only Condition Is Its Somewhat Acceptable Is At Idle......!!

Exhaust Temp.....Rise Of Even 15 Degrees Celsius Matters Alot ....You Never Know The Actual Combustion Chamber Temp Which Is What The Main Concern here......!

My Question Remains Unanswered How You Set Offset And Desired AFR's For particular Revv Range.....No One Sane Wants To Go 16 AFR On WOT...I Swear..........

The Way You Are Doing Is To Simply Call A Disaster Upon Engine By Leaning It Down On Open/Close Loop As Well As On WOT.....!

Don't Tell Me That ECU Will Adjust It As You Already Fouled ECU(As You Said You DID..) What ECU Did Was revert Back Readings And Shoot For Ideal AFR's Or If You Even Succeed To Make ECU Blind.......You Are Hitting A Hammer On Your OWN Foot By Implying Same Readings On All Revv Ranges......I See Noo Offset Or Anything To Set AFR's As per Revv Range......!

I Think You Know How AFC/Emanage Works

[SER_GTR]

This EC1 works much better!

Watthay FIND

[capsat]

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[hameeds01]

I had not attempted the fraud and not insulted the Intelligence of all senior member's I am explaining the whole thing technically to the HAJI SAAB because he had much knowledge about the engine and their electrical functioning . SO I AM INCREASING THE KNOWLEDGE FOR THEM OK I am not at any fault here. SO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND LET IT GO IN A GOOD WAY.

Agha Waqar Ahmed said on TV

"Khuda ke liye dont call me fraud. Ap muje bataye is mei fraud kiya hai?? Engine Generator ko chalata hai pher Generator HHO cell ko current deta hai pher woh HHO gas Engine ko chalati hai, ab is mei fraud kider hai???"

"Mera HHO gas generator bs 10A leta hai or 20L/min HHO gas banata hai"

"Ager ap ki car ki Battery Dead ho jaye ap is ko dakah laga kr start kr de or pher ap DECK/Lights bhi ON kr ke karachi takh bhi ja sakte hain, woh Bijali kahan si aayi itni?? Khudara muje fraud matt samje"

[hameeds01]

1) can u plz elaborate NE thing

CKP it has two signal's one is NE- and one is NE+ whether NE- show's the speed to the ECU and the NE+ is for positioning.

2) Post some picz of ur Super Intelligent EC1 device

3) EC1 device supports both Wide & Narrow Band O2 sensor

4) where r ur customers??? Woh EC1 system install krwa kr kahan ghaib ho jate hain???

[VCheng]

1) can u plz elaborate NE thing

2) Post some picz of ur Super Intelligent EC1 device

3) EC1 device supports both Wide & Narrow Band O2 sensor

4) where r ur customers??? Woh EC1 system install krwa kr kahan ghaib ho jate hain???

Here is the SKU Sales Label for the EC1 Magic ChooManter Super Intelligent Amazing Device for International markets:

[Xulfiqar]

The thing is the valve will definatly burn and the engine will destroy if we will cross the limit's beyond 17.9:1 of AFR ratio at normal tune up we tune the vehicle at 17.3:1 which is acceptable by the engine and no power loss or hesitation is experienced and hence the exhaust temperature remain's same only 10 to 15 degrees increase is noticed upon full inspection. YES firstly when we created this system we tested several engine's on different AFR offset's going beyond 17.9:1 is a disaster for normal gasoline engine we had investigated the safe limit's for different engine's on our disposal in our Engine bay storage. and after doing research we set's some limitation's for every tune up we did with EC1

17.3 AFR at anything out of overrun condition will cause serious damage - it has been proven time and again. Only in mitsu GDI engines do the AFR go to 40:1 on overrun and 16:1 on cruise. This is achieved by 2 steps. When accelerating at any pace the AFR immediately is tuned back to 13.5 or 13:9 (to keep itself in safe range) - the CR of this engine is really high too.

one injections stage happens when the air is swirling into the cylinders, a little fuel spray causes the "aerosol" type effect to absorb heat. When the compression happens and the airball is about spinning at insane speed on top of the piston crescent the fuel is injected about about 2 degrees leading ignition timing.

This cannot be applied to wet manifold engines in any sense unless you have frigid dry air ramming into the cylinders and somehow you are extracting more than 30% heat efficiency (transfer to mechanical energy) from the combustion process. In any case you cannot have an internal combustion engine give any sort of mechanical efficiency at that ratio as the heat would be at crazy level and the cat converter will also start to go bad - if the engine is VVT or has any mechanical cam advantage timing I can see a nice sort of disaster waiting to happen. More if the engine has any sort of EGR

Explain this in carburettor terms - because even with EFI the basic otto cycle engine is the same. If you lean out the mix to about 17.3:1 on a carby engine like a datsun A12 - what will happen?

I would like to see a freeze frame graph plot of the car with EC1 connected under load accelerating at a normal pace. I would like to see the ignition map, the MAP and MAF signal, the O2 or AFR signal and the LTFT and STFT too.

[VCheng]

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I would like to see a freeze frame graph plot of the car with EC1 connected under load accelerating at a normal pace. I would like to see the ignition map, the MAP and MAF signal, the O2 or AFR signal and the LTFT and STFT too.

@xulfiqar The odds are very high that this/these guy(s) haven't the foggiest idea how to plot those data, much less make any sense out of them, let alone trying to modify them in any intelligent manner. In fact, darn near impossible given the level of (mis)comprehensions about basic concepts displayed until now.

[VCheng]

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I would like to see a freeze frame graph plot of the car with EC1 connected under load accelerating at a normal pace. I would like to see the ignition map, the MAP and MAF signal, the O2 or AFR signal and the LTFT and STFT too.

@xulfiqar The odds are very high that this/these guy(s) haven't the foggiest idea how to plot those data, much less make any sense out of them, let alone trying to modify them in any intelligent manner. In fact, darn near impossible given the level of (mis)comprehensions about basic concepts displayed until now.

[atta1111]

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[Xulfiqar]

why?

obviously you have the equipment with you to read such data - simply plot graphs of them on one screen.

[Xulfiqar]

@Xulfiqar The odds are very high that this/these guy(s) haven't the foggiest idea how to plot those data, much less make any sense out of them, let alone trying to modify them in any intelligent manner. In fact, darn near impossible given the level of (mis)comprehensions about basic concepts displayed until now.

That data has been my basic question till now - I still am looking for an answer from atta or ultimate economy group to post it. What I saw was a freeze shot of some chinese van which obviously showed out of whack fuel trims.

If no such posts come up then I'll stick to the adage of

if it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck its a duck