The Re-birth of a GEM..(Daihatsu Charmant 1984)

[saboor73]

charmant is a hell of a car my favt car but it had became very hard as well as very expensive ride to maintance

[Kiki091]

charmant is a hell of a car my favt car but it had became very hard as well as very expensive ride to maintance

Well we have had this car for over 20 years now and trust me it has been amongst the cheapest to maintain. Lolz.. But its a lovely ride and I am hoping to restore it to its former glory..

[Kiki091]

this is the corolla's brother from another mother.

Your car has serious rust issues, resolve those first. For engines you can keep the 2C diesel if you want, the S and C engines share the same engine block design and mount without issues, But the original engines for this car were the ones installed in the KE, TE and some RWD AE corollas.

namely

4K or 5K (even with fuel injection)
2T (people brought these in from Kuwait in 1990)
4AGE (I have seen this - its not a unicorn)

@xulfiqar bhai the rust is being taken care of. The paint will be removed using chemical and then the rust patches will be replaced by new sheet metal, and will take all the necessary precautions to make them rust proof. next for the engine I want a balance between power and economy so 4AGE is outta the equation, 3S-Fe is what I have in my mind or may be a 2T if I find a clean one. But I would like to have it with an auto tranny.. what do u have to say about that??

[Xulfiqar]

the 3S can fit with some hand made mounting brackets - the autobox will also work if you wire it up correctly - given that you buy an electronic autobox.

[supraman2jz]

this is the corolla's brother from another mother.

Your car has serious rust issues, resolve those first. For engines you can keep the 2C diesel if you want, the S and C engines share the same engine block design and mount without issues, But the original engines for this car were the ones installed in the KE, TE and some RWD AE corollas.

namely

4K or 5K (even with fuel injection)
2T (people brought these in from Kuwait in 1990)
4AGE (I have seen this - its not a unicorn)

The way to go, if you find one that is!

[bravo122]

go with a 3s its cheap is comparatively fast and reliable!!
if your current engine is in good shape it will cost u 30000 to 35000 for the complete swap with gear!!
if u buy the engine + wiring + ecu it is for 44000 and the gear for 15k . your current should sell b/w 15 to 60000 depending on the condition it is in.
4afe are also available but they are **** expensive! like 125k for the swap
wont recommend a 4age because since its parts arent available anywhere.

MAKE SURE YOU GET UNCUT WIRING TILL THE DASH BOARD wiring is a pain in the *** when it comes to alterations.

i would recommend you to do a complete swap deal with the kabari which will include EVERYTHING i.e. engine ,sensors,wiring,mounts,gear,fuelpump,AC working,AC pipes, "NO ERRORS" in ecu ,NO JUGARS,nuts,bolts............
all u have to give them are oils,and the AC gas

[supraman2jz]

@drift222 and we were talking about this the other day!

[Owais_Yunus]

If you're planning on the 3sfe, I'd suggest you start doing some homework on the electricals if you're not at home with them. The people doing the swap will be doing jugari work on the wiring and you'll need to redo the wiring yourself.

[SER_GTR]

^^ People Who Are Done With Wiring Before Speaks Like This Now This Is What I Say Before Every EFI SWAP...Though 3sfe is quiet a basic engine considering the later gen with more confusing and complicated wiring...its bit like wiring A Series FE Type....Even Looks Like Same From Cam Cover Design

[drift222]

@drift222 and we were talking about this the other day!

I was not familiar with this charming machine before the day I came across that one at garage.
Indeed a beautiful machine.

Attaching pics of a recently restored charmant

[Kiki091]

go with a 3s its cheap is comparatively fast and reliable!!
if your current engine is in good shape it will cost u 30000 to 35000 for the complete swap with gear!!
if u buy the engine + wiring + ecu it is for 44000 and the gear for 15k . your current should sell b/w 15 to 60000 depending on the condition it is in.
4afe are also available but they are **** expensive! like 125k for the swap
wont recommend a 4age because since its parts arent available anywhere.

MAKE SURE YOU GET UNCUT WIRING TILL THE DASH BOARD wiring is a pain in the *** when it comes to alterations.

i would recommend you to do a complete swap deal with the kabari which will include EVERYTHING i.e. engine ,sensors,wiring,mounts,gear,fuelpump,AC working,AC pipes, "NO ERRORS" in ecu ,NO JUGARS,nuts,bolts............
all u have to give them are oils,and the AC gas

Thanks a lot for ur input, I am in search of a clean engine with uncut wiring.. And my 2C is at 80% health. Fingers crossed I hope I find a clean engine..

[Kiki091]

If you're planning on the 3sfe, I'd suggest you start doing some homework on the electricals if you're not at home with them. The people doing the swap will be doing jugari work on the wiring and you'll need to redo the wiring yourself.

Suggestion taken..

[Kiki091]

I was not familiar with this charming machine before the day I came across that one at garage.
Indeed a beautiful machine.

Attaching pics of a recently restored charmant

MashAllah beautiful car. i need parts for this car, like bumpers, some chrome bits. Are there any in Karachi??
And once again thank u so much fr ur input guys, pakwheels has always been a source of guidance fr me. U guys helped a lot in my mercedes w115 project and now this.. InshAllah I hope I am able to get this one right too..

[Kiki091]

the 3S can fit with some hand made mounting brackets - the autobox will also work if you wire it up correctly - given that you buy an electronic autobox.

I will InshAllah be going for a 3s-fe swap..

[drift222]

MashAllah beautiful car. i need parts for this car, like bumpers, some chrome bits. Are there any in Karachi??
And once again thank u so much fr ur input guys, pakwheels has always been a source of guidance fr me. U guys helped a lot in my mercedes w115 project and now this.. InshAllah I hope I am able to get this one right too..

This car does not belong to me, this was being restored at workshop where I get my car repaired a few days back.
About parts, I would like to quote @supraman2jz here, "since we can see new bumper and lights in this particular picture so parts can be found in local market".
I ll check with mechanic for sourcing parts.

[Kiki091]

This car does not belong to me, this was being restored at workshop where I get my car repaired a few days back.
About parts, I would like to quote @supraman2jz here, "since we can see new bumper and lights in this particular picture so parts can be found in local market".
I ll check with mechanic for sourcing parts.

Thats so nice of you. Actually my lights are fine. I need the chrome around the rear wind screen and the pillar plus roof one..plus the centre console too.

[devils_smile]

subscribed..... so hoping this turns out to be a stunner

[Owais_Yunus]

^^ People Who Are Done With Wiring Before Speaks Like This Now This Is What I Say Before Every EFI SWAP...Though 3sfe is quiet a basic engine considering the later gen with more confusing and complicated wiring...its bit like wiring A Series FE Type....Even Looks Like Same From Cam Cover Design

Very true I've had an experience of messed up wiring done by the electricians in my first swapped car so now I advise people to do some homework before taking the plunge. True, the wiring on the 3sfe is quite simple compared to the more modern engines but the ustaads still tend to get it wrong.

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[Xulfiqar]

go with a 3s its cheap is comparatively fast and reliable!!
if your current engine is in good shape it will cost u 30000 to 35000 for the complete swap with gear!!
if u buy the engine + wiring + ecu it is for 44000 and the gear for 15k . your current should sell b/w 15 to 60000 depending on the condition it is in.
4afe are also available but they are **** expensive! like 125k for the swap
wont recommend a 4age because since its parts arent available anywhere.

MAKE SURE YOU GET UNCUT WIRING TILL THE DASH BOARD wiring is a pain in the *** when it comes to alterations.

i would recommend you to do a complete swap deal with the kabari which will include EVERYTHING i.e. engine ,sensors,wiring,mounts,gear,fuelpump,AC working,AC pipes, "NO ERRORS" in ecu ,NO JUGARS,nuts,bolts............
all u have to give them are oils,and the AC gas

I have literally made entire wirings of the toyota xEFE and xAFE engines by hand - they are not difficult if you know how to work them. Study the diagram - its pretty basic.

The problem would be that the factory hole plugs wont be there in his car and to make a proper neat wiring job you would need to make some serious alterations to it.

[Durrani_45]

SWAG on the hood?