Transmission Oil for passo

[hameed75]

please advice:
Engine oil for Passo 1000cc : ?
Transmission oil for Passo 1000cc : ?
Coolant for Passo 1000cc : ?
do there any oil for Power steering: ?

and place to get Kixx oil in Karachi.

[GoodMan7]

Im pretty sure your transmission requires toyota T-IV ATF, which is sold both by Toyota and Mobil Askari, In my experience in repairing these transmissions any OE ATF is blended to "compliment" the shift characteristics of the transmission. Meaning the mechanical and the fluid work as a team to provide the best performance (shift duration time, noise reduction, shift shock etc)

Your case is questionable as you have run CVTF in the box - no-one can say what damage has been done in the unit - and still you changed it to non-OE ATF. (face-palm suits you). You are a classic example of "neem hakeem khatra jaan".

When someone asks me for the benz NAG1 ATF, I speak of my experience which is that using Shell ATF3403M115 is the absolute best for it as it was purposely blended for it. Whenever I used it the performance was incredible. No noise, perfect aggression in shift, quick shift completion and proper temperature maintenance of the ATF.

It is very hard to find - MB say to use the NAG2 fluid which is far cheaper too and works OK - but change is required a bit earlier. There are other ATF that also work - but not 100% like the Shell ATF3403 did.

Following are the properties of LM Top Tec 1200G.
Hope you can find T-IV very clearly within the description.

Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow

DESCRIPTION Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow is an automatic gear oil from the latest generation based
on synthetic HC base oils in combination with the latest high-performance
additives. The outstanding composition of various base oil and additive
components ensures optimum stability to aging, excellent protection against wear
and good friction characteristics. Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow conforms to the
requirements of numerous unit and vehicle manufacturers and guarantees perfect
operation of the units even under extreme operating conditions and when exposed
to large temperature fluctuations. Also suitable for extended oil change intervals.

PROPERTIES - Outstanding viscosity/temperature characteristics
- Very high thermal stability
- Excellent low-temperature properties
- Optimal stability to aging and high chemical resistance
- Outstanding protection against wear and good friction characteristics
- Outstanding corrosion protection
- Multi-purpose

Specifications and approvals:
GM Dexron IIIH
Mercon V
JASO 1-A
Toyota Type T-II / T-IV
Allison C4, TES 295
Nissan Matic Fluid, D, J, K
Kia SP II / SP III
Mitsubishi SP II / SP III
Hyundai SP II / SP III
Mazda ATF M III / ATF M V
Honda ATF Z1 (without CVT?s)
LIQUI MOLY also recommends this product for vehicles for which the
following specifications are required:
Dexron VI
JWS 3309 (Aisin Warner)
Chrysler ATF +3, +4
MB 236.1, 236.2, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9, 236.10, 236.11
Daimler NAG-1
BMW LT 71141, LA 2634, 7045 E, 8072-B
MAN 339 Typ Z1, Z2
MAN 339 Typ V1, V2
ZF TE-ML 02F, 03D, 04D, 05L, 09, 11A, 11B, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C
Voith H 55 6336.xx
VW G 052 162
VW G 055 025
Volvo 97340 / 97341
Subaru ATF

[GoodMan7]

please advice:
Engine oil for Passo 1000cc : ?
Transmission oil for Passo 1000cc : ?
Coolant for Passo 1000cc : ?
do there any oil for Power steering: ?

and place to get Kixx oil in Karachi.

..Engine oil for Passo 1000cc:?
For best fuel economy. Use 0/20 which is recommended in the manual of 1KR-FE. Or 5/20. Keep the CI as 5k max.
For longer intervals, choose 5/40. But choice of the engine oil company should be better. You have imported car, so I will suggest to use imported oils like LM, Kixx, PTT, Profi-Car, etc.

..Transmission oil for Passo 1000cc:?
If its CVT, then it will take CVT oil.
If its AT, then it will take ATF. Toyota's T-IV.
But lets Zulfiqar to reply. Because whatever I will say, he will oppose it. But on the other hand, its also true that he seldom advised directly to use this oil or that oil.

..Coolant for Passo 1000cc:?
Manual says it takes 33% concentration Coolant.
Toyota's long life coolant is almost same. Price is 2700/4L. It takes nearly 3.5L coolant.

..Do there any oil for Power steering:?
I don't think so. Because mine power steering is 'electrical'.

..and place to get Kixx oil in Karachi.
GS Caltex is having its distribution. Google them, contact them and find the right distributor in your area.

[Xulfiqar]

Following are the properties of LM Top Tec 1200G.
Hope you can find T-IV very clearly within the description.

Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow

DESCRIPTION Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow is an automatic gear oil from the latest generation based
on synthetic HC base oils in combination with the latest high-performance
additives. The outstanding composition of various base oil and additive
components ensures optimum stability to aging, excellent protection against wear
and good friction characteristics. Top Tec ATF 1200 yellow conforms to the
requirements of numerous unit and vehicle manufacturers and guarantees perfect
operation of the units even under extreme operating conditions and when exposed
to large temperature fluctuations. Also suitable for extended oil change intervals.

PROPERTIES - Outstanding viscosity/temperature characteristics
- Very high thermal stability
- Excellent low-temperature properties
- Optimal stability to aging and high chemical resistance
- Outstanding protection against wear and good friction characteristics
- Outstanding corrosion protection
- Multi-purpose

Specifications and approvals:
GM Dexron IIIH
Mercon V
JASO 1-A
Toyota Type T-II / T-IV
Allison C4, TES 295
Nissan Matic Fluid, D, J, K
Kia SP II / SP III
Mitsubishi SP II / SP III
Hyundai SP II / SP III
Mazda ATF M III / ATF M V
Honda ATF Z1 (without CVT?s)
LIQUI MOLY also recommends this product for vehicles for which the
following specifications are required:
Dexron VI
JWS 3309 (Aisin Warner)
Chrysler ATF +3, +4
MB 236.1, 236.2, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9, 236.10, 236.11
Daimler NAG-1
BMW LT 71141, LA 2634, 7045 E, 8072-B
MAN 339 Typ Z1, Z2
MAN 339 Typ V1, V2
ZF TE-ML 02F, 03D, 04D, 05L, 09, 11A, 11B, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C
Voith H 55 6336.xx
VW G 052 162
VW G 055 025
Volvo 97340 / 97341
Subaru ATF

Yes I know it says "safe for use where T-IV is specified" but it also is specced for all the others, The original T-IV product friction properties are unique.

Meaning you cannot use T-IV in the daimler NAG1 as in the list.

That is why - anyones first choice should be the original ATF, this should be second choice - and why should one use this when its more expensive than the original choice.

[omarabdullah022]

Thank you. I need this kind of reply. thank you again for your response. also let me know that where is 3s

My dad takes his corolla to toyota eastern motors on main rashid minhas road. The work they do is really good. Once i got my cuore tuned up from them too! The problem is you cannot stay with your vehicle:(

[hameed75]

..Engine oil for Passo 1000cc:?
For best fuel economy. Use 0/20 which is recommended in the manual of 1KR-FE. Or 5/20. Keep the CI as 5k max.
For longer intervals, choose 5/40. But choice of the engine oil company should be better. You have imported car, so I will suggest to use imported oils like LM, Kixx, PTT, Profi-Car, etc.

..Transmission oil for Passo 1000cc:?
If its CVT, then it will take CVT oil.
If its AT, then it will take ATF. Toyota's T-IV.
But lets Zulfiqar to reply. Because whatever I will say, he will oppose it. But on the other hand, its also true that he seldom advised directly to use this oil or that oil.

..Coolant for Passo 1000cc:?
Manual says it takes 33% concentration Coolant.
Toyota's long life coolant is almost same. Price is 2700/4L. It takes nearly 3.5L coolant.

..Do there any oil for Power steering:?
I don't think so. Because mine power steering is 'electrical'.

..and place to get Kixx oil in Karachi.
GS Caltex is having its distribution. Google them, contact them and find the right distributor in your area.

Please let me know your opinion about transmission oil. I give respect to everyone's opinion inclusive Zulfiqar and you. And my car's have steering gear.

I have search it at Caltex (Chevron) and also called at their HO number but they are are unaware if Kixx name.

[GoodMan7]

Yes I know it says "safe for use where T-IV is specified" but it also is specced for all the others, The original T-IV product friction properties are unique.

Meaning you cannot use T-IV in the daimler NAG1 as in the list.

That is why - anyones first choice should be the original ATF, this should be second choice - and why should one use this when its more expensive than the original choice.

This is because LM does not have fluid exclusively for vehicle who need T-IV.
if they are going to make fluids for each type of the cars, then it will be v. long list. Hence they produce top tech 1200 which is suitable for all the vehicles. Its simple. Don't try to make it complicated.

[GoodMan7]

Please let me know your opinion about transmission oil. I give respect to everyone's opinion inclusive Zulfiqar and you. And my car's have steering gear.

I have search it at Caltex (Chevron) and also called at their HO number but they are are unaware if Kixx name.

Please let me know your opinion about transmission oil. I give respect to everyone's opinion inclusive Zulfiqar and you. And my car's have steering gear.

Recommended gear oil for passo automatic transmission is T-IV.
Toyota has T-IV and its available everywhere in tin boxes in 1L packing. Price is like 600/L. And change interval is 40-50K.

But I am using Liqui Moly's Top Tech 1200G which is Rs. 1350/L and change interval time is 90K.
Usually LM's products are superb.

[ehalin]

You are again misleading. From where did you get the figure 40-50K for Toyota T-IV and 90K for LM Top Tech 1200G. Or is this the way you "feel" about them?

Please let me know your opinion about transmission oil. I give respect to everyone's opinion inclusive Zulfiqar and you. And my car's have steering gear.

Recommended gear oil for passo automatic transmission is T-IV.
Toyota has T-IV and its available everywhere in tin boxes in 1L packing. Price is like 600/L. And change interval is 40-50K.

But I am using Liqui Moly's Top Tech 1200G which is Rs. 1350/L and change interval time is 90K.
Usually LM's products are superb.

[Xulfiqar]

Please let me know your opinion about transmission oil. I give respect to everyone's opinion inclusive Zulfiqar and you. And my car's have steering gear.

Recommended gear oil for passo automatic transmission is T-IV.
Toyota has T-IV and its available everywhere in tin boxes in 1L packing. Price is like 600/L. And change interval is 40-50K.

But I am using Liqui Moly's Top Tech 1200G which is Rs. 1350/L and change interval time is 90K.
Usually LM's products are superb.

So this time you are actually going backwards and spending more money on a similar product. Toyota T-IV is really good ATF and is blended according to the specifications from Aisin Warner (who actually make the transmission of your car)

The ECU programming requires the friction charecteristics of T-IV to function like it should. The LM product maybe fantastic but why use it when you can buy the OE ATF for half the price and have 100% correct shift performance and maximum transmission life.

btw where did you get the 90K figure for LM toptech?

btw it doesnt matter if the shifter is on the steering column, floor or even buttons on the dashboard - the transmission is the same.

[GoodMan7]

You are again misleading. From where did you get the figure 40-50K for Toyota T-IV and 90K for LM Top Tech 1200G. Or is this the way you "feel" about them?

The life of T-IV was very firmly told by gentleman who was pouring this oil in my car at Toyota Garden Motors.
While for Top Tec 1200G, I've written confirmation (email) directly from LM Germany.

By the way, in your opinion, what is the life of these fluids?

[GoodMan7]

So this time you are actually going backwards and spending more money on a similar product. Toyota T-IV is really good ATF and is blended according to the specifications from Aisin Warner (who actually make the transmission of your car)

The ECU programming requires the friction charecteristics of T-IV to function like it should. The LM product maybe fantastic but why use it when you can buy the OE ATF for half the price and have 100% correct shift performance and maximum transmission life.

btw where did you get the 90K figure for LM toptech?

btw it doesnt matter if the shifter is on the steering column, floor or even buttons on the dashboard - the transmission is the same.

I had the e-communication with Mr. Steffen of LM Germany. And he informed this. Either 90K or 72 months.
Their website also have this info. I think.

Normal Toyota's cvt fluid life is 40-50K. But LM's CVT fluid life is 90K or upto 72months.

[faiz.aslam.121]

I had the e-communication with Mr. Steffen of LM Germany. And he informed this. Either 90K or 72 months.
Their website also have this info. I think.

Normal Toyota's cvt fluid life is 40-50K. But LM's CVT fluid life is 90K or upto 72months.

Just like their 5w-40 synthoil which has life of 15,000? You gotta accept the fact that Oil should be changed earlier In hot climates especially dusty places like Pakistan.

[GoodMan7]

Just like their 5w-40 synthoil which has life of 15,000? You gotta accept the fact that Oil should be changed earlier In hot climates especially dusty places like Pakistan.

Gear oils cannot be compare with functionality of engine oils.
Even according to me, the dusty & hot atmosphere also doesn't matter much on engine's performance. Because air filter, filters the dust particles and oil filter filters the major contaminations in the engine oil.
Anyway, LM 5/40 runs well till 15K but for those cars who have bigger sumps like 4.5~7L. For 1000CC~1300CC cars, running till 8~10K is perfectly fine.

Gear oil life till 90K seems normal. Because it has quite different functionalities as compare with engine oil.

[Xulfiqar]

you can choose to never change the transmission oil for all its life - it will work right upto the point the oil becomes dead goo. You wont be the first to experience it.

So Mr Steffen also agrees to write me a cheque for a new transmission if it fails before 90,000 kms or 5 years... The reason Im saying this is that Toyota say to change it at 40,000 kms in severe drive cycle (city)

[ehalin]

What does your car's manual say? In my opinion it should be changed according to mileage recommended in the car's manual. Same oil which is good for 40k kms for a Suzuki can run for more than 80k in a Toyota. Similarly same GL-4 needs to be changed on different mileages even in the same car when it is being used in gear box vs in transfer case.

The life of T-IV was very firmly told by gentleman who was pouring this oil in my car at Toyota Garden Motors.
While for Top Tec 1200G, I've written confirmation (email) directly from LM Germany.

By the way, in your opinion, what is the life of these fluids?

[huzaifa.haroon]

My Insight started warning me to change CVT oil at 38 k , so I checked the manual and it said : the car will start warning after 38 k and you can use it till 40 k so I changed it

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[bradpit]

What does your car's manual say? In my opinion it should be changed according to mileage recommended in the car's manual. Same oil which is good for 40k kms for a Suzuki can run for more than 80k in a Toyota. Similarly same GL-4 needs to be changed on different mileages even in the same car when it is being used in gear box vs in transfer case.

It also depends on operating / driving temperature greatly.

You cant compare a car which drives daily from office to home 20 km in a smooth manner with an auto transmission of a boy racer which is redline to the limits after street racing.

The ATF fluid gets really hot and it affects its service life greatly.

[bradpit]

Just like their 5w-40 synthoil which has life of 15,000? You gotta accept the fact that Oil should be changed earlier In hot climates especially dusty places like Pakistan.

LM Synthoil, Mobil 1, Shell Helix Ultra and Total 9000 easily lasts 15,000 km in even 50C but there are no oil filters available here except K&N & FRAM Tough Guard which can last that long.

[bradpit]

I had the e-communication with Mr. Steffen of LM Germany. And he informed this. Either 90K or 72 months.
Their website also have this info. I think.

Normal Toyota's cvt fluid life is 40-50K. But LM's CVT fluid life is 90K or upto 72months.

There is no substitute to the Toyota T-IV fluid in performance.

Qualifying for approvals and direct substitute are two totally different things.