What engine oil do you use

[Storm]

Thanks for your kind reply. I know no oil company will take the responsibility or guarantee. I just wanted to know the best grade for my car according to the environment temperature as you are very senior and experienced in this field.

as another member pointed out today. it's crucial when choosing an oil that it is real (obviously), correct viscosity for your engine and operating environment/conditions. i think any of the brands above (if real) can offer a high-end product for your application.

obviously i'll suggest my own brand since we're running it in 2 JZ-powered cars and a few more turbo cars in ISB already and we've not had any issues till date. it's not a magic formula, just very good value for money and offers exceptional protection for a mineral oil.

yes i admit a synthetic should be better but why pay more when you are going to have to change at 5000kms (Petromin Ultra 7 * Fuchs Super GT can handle that easily, so why buy synthetics?). had you been in europe and going for 10000kms i'd also say that you then have more options, either use a mineral and change it twice or a synthetic and change it once.

i've never been in favour of synthetics for pakistan (mandatory 5000km intervals regardless of vehicle)

[Skyline_Drift_Master]

@Sam

Just wondering, is it natural for a car to blow off around 300ml of engine oil in matter of 2000 miles? My vectra is doing that and BMW too but not as much as vectra. Went to BMW dealership about it, they said it is natural to do for BMW

[ahsanzs]

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For very new engine, there shouldn't be any oil consumption but after a few thousand km a little consumption will start. Nothing to worry about unless you are failing a fitness test or forget to top-off regularly.

[luckyman]

Mobil 1

[Storm]

@Sam

Just wondering, is it natural for a car to blow off around 300ml of engine oil in matter of 2000 miles? My vectra is doing that and BMW too but not as much as vectra. Went to BMW dealership about it, they said it is natural to do for BMW

check the owners manual. i noticed in the cayenne turbos manual that it clearly states that you must top up the oil at certain intervals because it burns oil. it's possible that it is possible for your car to do the same.

[ahmedshaikhani]

as another member pointed out today. it's crucial when choosing an oil that it is real (obviously), correct viscosity for your engine and operating environment/conditions. i think any of the brands above (if real) can offer a high-end product for your application.

yes i admit a synthetic should be better but why pay more when you are going to have to change at 5000kms (Petromin Ultra 7 * Fuchs Super GT can handle that easily, so why buy synthetics?). had you been in europe and going for 10000kms i'd also say that you then have more options, either use a mineral and change it twice or a synthetic and change it once.

i've never been in favour of synthetics for pakistan (mandatory 5000km intervals regardless of vehicle)

Thanks Storm. Can you tell me from where I can get the original Petromin Ultra 7 in Karachi. Many shopkeepers are selling fake oil among them ZIC and Havoline are the top of the list.

[Skyline_Drift_Master]

check the owners manual. i noticed in the cayenne turbos manual that it clearly states that you must top up the oil at certain intervals because it burns oil. it's possible that it is possible for your car to do the same.

Thank you Sam, will do that

[Skyline_Drift_Master]

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For very new engine, there shouldn't be any oil consumption but after a few thousand km a little consumption will start. Nothing to worry about unless you are failing a fitness test or forget to top-off regularly.

Both cars are over 75,000 miles so have been used quite a lot. Just that my dad was saying it shouldn't burn oil and can be sign of weak engine... so went to BMW and they said its normal. Both cars pull hard (like they should) no smokes or emission failure so its all good Thank you for your help

[Storm]

Thanks Storm. Can you tell me from where I can get the original Petromin Ultra 7 in Karachi. Many shopkeepers are selling fake oil among them ZIC and Havoline are the top of the list.

nobody has made fake ultra7 yet so whatever you find will be real. just make sure the can is sealed correctly before buying it. it's available in many shops in KHI but i can't specify frther than that as KHI is handled by the head office.

[ahsanzs]

The other 'a must' property other than having a relief valve for a filter is to hold the oil in the crankcase. Our fellow members should know this since if the filter does not have the 'Non Return' capabilities due to permeability of membrane or a NR valve/flap or faulty relief valve, the oil will gravitate back to the sump (or in chamber as it is called) and in a cold start this will cause excessive wear and tear and the breakdown in the long range.

Honestly, I have difficulty understanding it. The filter should keep the oil in the crankcase? If the filter has NRV, it would keep the oil in itself, i.e when the engine (and oil pump) would be off, the oil filter wouldn't let itself drain and the oil to go back to the sump. I don't get it at all that if the filter becomes empty, how is it harmful for the engine (even if only at cold start)? Is it because oil pressure would take time to rise and oil wouldn't instantly start squirting to every part it should be sprayed on? And how to identify a filter with a NRV? (Not contesting you but want to understand).

During the oil change, another check one should make is take the dirty oil in a plastic container and run a magnet under it and if they see a significant movement or a sheen on surface then oil is NOT serving the purpose and a more frequent or brand change is required.

You mean to check for metal filing content? I think the sheen on surface comes because of mixed water (water of combustion).

[autobanda]

@storm

Sorry bro, appreciated your quick reply a couple of days back. Could not reply cause internet connection was having issues. The issue for me is, that is what worries me, as to what detrimental effects will I face when shifting over from the Synthetic Tech Zic A+ to the Mineral Ultra 7. My Cultus has been running on Zic A+ 5W/30 since the day it came out of the showroom. It now has more than 50k on the clock, honestly, would it be sensible to change oils now. Another worrying factor for me is, is'nt a 5W/30 oil too "Thin" for our type of Climate. The recommended oil for my vehicle is 10w/40 yet I stuck to Zic A+ because it was a good oil which was easily and readily available.

Another thing, are you familiar with the Micking Oils. A product of the Michang Oil Company. Another company to come into the "Scene" is PTT and they are marketing their oils with the Brand name Performa.

I understand you would much rather prefer we talk about Petromin yet you being an expert in the Oil Industry, I would like to hear your opinion about the new products in the market.

Regards

[autobanda]

@storm
BTW

Was amazed to see Zic A+ available in the market with a rating of 5W/20, what gives. Kindly shed some light. From what i know it was only available in the 5W/30 rating.

[Storm]

@storm

Sorry bro, appreciated your quick reply a couple of days back. Could not reply cause internet connection was having issues. The issue for me is, that is what worries me, as to what detrimental effects will I face when shifting over from the Synthetic Tech Zic A+ to the Mineral Ultra 7. My Cultus has been running on Zic A+ 5W/30 since the day it came out of the showroom. It now has more than 50k on the clock, honestly, would it be sensible to change oils now. Another worrying factor for me is, is'nt a 5W/30 oil too "Thin" for our type of Climate. The recommended oil for my vehicle is 10w/40 yet I stuck to Zic A+ because it was a good oil which was easily and readily available.

Another thing, are you familiar with the Micking Oils. A product of the Michang Oil Company. Another company to come into the "Scene" is PTT and they are marketing their oils with the Brand name Performa.

I understand you would much rather prefer we talk about Petromin yet you being an expert in the Oil Industry, I would like to hear your opinion about the new products in the market.

Regards

don't worry, here i'm a PW member first and a businessman sencond so i always try and be unbiased in my replys.

switching from synthetic to mineral isn't a problem as long as it is not a "pure synthetic" (which your oil is not). however do note that the synthetics you've been using have kept the engine nice and clean so please keep using an oil which has some detergents in it (whatever you choose).

5W30 synthetic is not too bad for our climate since synthetics can take quite a beating. but i woudl suggest that if you are planning on using a mineral that you go for something at least with a 10W40 (or above) rating,.. specially in summer. as for 5W20,.. walk away!

ive heard good things about Miking but i have not used it till now so i'd rather not comment (maybe another member can give his/her feedback).

as always i will tell you that if you can get REAL oil you will be happy as most of the SL grade mineral oils available in PK are quite good. however i will only suggest Fuchs and petromin oils as they are what i like to call "tried and tested" (along with a 100% guarantee).

do note that if you can afford to continue running synthetic then there is nothing like it, but if you want value for money i'd suggest you go for a quality mineral oil.

[ahmedshaikhani]

@storm
What is the maximum temperature of viscosity of Petromin ?

[Storm]

@storm
What is the maximum temperature of viscosity of Petromin ?

you mean the flash point? it is at 240 degrees Centigrade.

[ahmedshaikhani]

you mean the flash point? it is at 240 degrees Centigrade.

Previously I was using Havoline 10W-30. And my car oil temperature raise till 95Degree Celsius. And I checked the oil it was like water viscosity was no more.

[irfansiddique]

Previously I was using Havoline 10W-30. And my car oil temperature raise till 95Degree Celsius. And I checked the oil it was like water viscosity was no more.

how did you check the oil temp ?

[Storm]

Previously I was using Havoline 10W-30. And my car oil temperature raise till 95Degree Celsius. And I checked the oil it was like water viscosity was no more.

All oil does this. Havolines 10W30 (HV13-12) has a gravity of 14.8 (as far as i know) at 100degrees C. Ultra7s (1560) gravity is 19.2 at the same temperature.

Do note that havoline 10W30 is designed for the US market and even in europe they do not offer it.

how did you check the oil temp ?

good question, we must be very careful when giving such numbers.

[Icecool]

Dear All,

Its not about the company that manufactuers an oil/lubricant, it is about its Grading/ rating of that oil if you want to consider thr Quality and Mileage. If you see the back of oil packings, grades r mentioned. The codes are as under:

API SM, API SL , API SG etc.
API = stands for American Petroleum Institute

What needs to be seen is SM/SL/SG written after API. The latest and perhaps the best standard is API SM , followed by API SL and API SG respectively.

I had been using Havoline Formula, which costs around 1600Rs, however its standard is API SL.
This is lower as compared to Shell Blue which is API SM (Also costing approx 1600Rs.)

This indicates that Havoline is charging more than shell as Havoline Formula is at par with Shell Yellow(API SL), which is cheaper than Havoline Formula.

U all may also check the grading of Shell Red or Havoline which is API SG. That is y they r cheaper than others.

PS: API SM are generally categorized for Semi-Synthetic to Synthetic Oils.
Infact Shell Black (Fully Synthetic) is also API SM, same as Shell Blue (Semi Synthetic).

I hope this answers the query

[QFA]

Experts need your sincere advice on the engine oil and filters that I use, please tell me if any thing seems to be wrong.

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