Final upgrade (for now), pictures of everything included

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madhouse12 (madhouse12) 2013-01-11 02:27:23 +0500 #282

High-LPF
5k?20k
! High-HPF
800Hz?16k
! Mid-LPF, Low-LPF and SW-LPF
25Hz?20k
! Mid-HPF, Low-HPF and SW-HPF
20Hz?16k

meaning anything you attatch on high output wont play anything below 800 hz (the min max range being 800Hz-20KHz). so i think if you want to run a full range rear, you attach it to either mid or low out put. same goes for front. High output wont give you the full range.

there are no speaker level out in P99. meaning you can not hook the speakers directly to the pre and play them. it doesnot have a built in amp so you have to use an external amp to run it.

just to run active, you dont have to upgrade your electricals. you will be taking out the rear and adding a mid. mids usually require less power than what you have for rear at the moment. P99 is an active pre. running full range speakers on it on jugarh method will not give you optimum sound.

madhouse12 (madhouse12) 2013-01-11 02:46:20 +0500 #283

from deq-p90 manual

another good read would be googling the playing freq range of various instruments. check other forums for owners of the same components as your and see what x-over points they suggest for an active system and what placement and direction they have installed the mids/tweets in

rio2 (rio2) 2013-01-13 15:39:11 +0500 #284

Salaam Arsalan bhai......thanx for your input.....One question If I was to go active..2 way
could I keep the components in the front that is mids and tweeters and still run the coaxials from the back.

you mentioned taking out the coaxial and putting another mid in which I did not quite understand.....

So after extensive research I discovered that the P99 can run a full range passive system which is obviously what I have.
which leads me to believe that there is a problem with the wiring that has been done in my system .....

So I might have to trace the path from head unit RCA to amp to speaker for each channel and make sure they are correct. which is confusing because as you know when I solved my previous issue I had my wiring inspected and it was said to be correct...hmmm I might have to physically take out the head unit and try again.............An example of the 99 being able to run a full range passive system

Example-

MID LEFT = front door left speaker passive fullrange
MID RIGHT= front door right full range
LOW LEFT= rear door left full range
LOW RIGHT= rear door right full range

Each channel will supply the frequency range I allow it to- 20 to 20Khz or 80 Hz to 20 Khz using an 80 Hz High Pass filter.
I can independently control the level of each channel as well as the time alignment.

So this needs to be looked into perhaps........

abdulwq (abdulwq) 2013-01-14 16:06:11 +0500 #285

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rio2 (rio2) 2013-01-15 14:28:39 +0500 #286

done bro

rio2 (rio2) 2013-01-17 11:11:20 +0500 #287

Im working on transferring most of my music to something portable. I like to listen to original CDS most of them bought abroad
as that option is not reliable over here. ......Now obviously it is not always convenient to transport all of my CDS around with me to here.....So I thought of the USB option and ripped one of my CDS to FLAC format first.

Then converted it from FLAC to 320kpbs format.......

But the songs seemed to lack punch, bite, depth and were "light" in the 320kpbs format. I thought this is no good.

What now? Well then I converted the FLAC files into WAV 16bit 44100 as my ultimate goal is complete lossless tracks. Not lossy at all. Lossless This obviously takes up more space but I do not mind purchasing an external USB hard drive 3.0 and cutting it up into FAT32 portion if the lossless works perfectly.

Now some people say it is a placebo and that humans cannot hear that fine but I still noticed a 5% difference.

I thought although way better than the USB 320kpbs format it was still sounding abit short of cd quality depth and punch and also was sounding abit "mechanical and electronic"

WAV 16 bit 44100 is supposed to be completely lossless and exact to CD quality.

Which leads me to two questions:

Is it my imagination or is the above mentioned WAV format exact to CD quality ?
If it is not my imagination then is there any better format out there that can provide complete lossless music.

I wish the 99 played FLAC format as that just sounds music to my ears so to speak;)

madhouse12 (madhouse12) 2013-01-17 12:50:57 +0500 #288

forget the wav sound, first check how big a hdd P99 can support. like my player was giving error on an 80GB passport drive but plays a 32 gb ipod easily.

devilskreed (devilskreed) 2013-01-17 23:21:19 +0500 #289

Mashallh..Enjoy your updated rig bro..Please pm me the price of built components..I am looking forward to buying a good sound system..Your info would be of gr8 help..tnx in advance

roms (roms) 2013-01-18 02:41:59 +0500 #290

If you have iphone then you can download FLAC player from itunnes and play your flacs.

madhouse12 (madhouse12) 2013-01-18 03:54:38 +0500 #291

that will be like using iphone on aux mode (though a really good aux mode) as iphone will be processing the flac file and playing it, not the p99

roms (roms) 2013-01-18 04:26:39 +0500 #292

No the Ios DAC will be bypassed if iphone comapatible cable is used. CD IU 201v/ CD IU 51 can be used for digital bit connection.

rio2 (rio2) 2013-01-18 10:14:45 +0500 #293

yes bhai some friends of mine abroad play their 250gb external hard drives with it 2.0. With fat32 breakup.
If they try their 3.0 hard drives with it the 99 does not read it but does the 2.0

rio2 (rio2) 2013-01-18 11:15:08 +0500 #294

I was not aware that FLAC can be played from an app on iphone. Normally ALAC apple lossless is connected to anything Apple and of course AAC which I have no time for. The best thing would be if FLAC which sounds absolutely beautiful could be played on the 99

rio2 (rio2) 2013-03-21 16:45:32 +0500 #295

Shahid bhai in a bit of quandary about my Morel Elates.........They are just lying packed with me.....Do you recommend I install them in my car and wait till they break in (as I am happy with the sound atm).....or install them in one of my other cars and construct another setup.......

Some one told me there is a way to just connect them in your house let them break in and then install them in the car......I have never heard of that............what do you suggest............Have had them packed away for a few months now and gorgeous as they are want to do something with them or give them away but I think I would rather use them...........

Bad_Cheetah (Bad_Cheetah) 2013-03-21 17:02:19 +0500 #296

Install them, and enjoy the music.

It's always good to experiment, moreover these speakers sound very nice out of the box, and with time they would get even more soothing.

I've only played mine for say 2 hours, and they've already started to sound a lot nicer than they were before.

madhouse12 (madhouse12) 2013-03-22 02:45:42 +0500 #297

to break them in at home, you need a small amp and a player and a cd with some particular freq notes burned on it. just connect the speakers to amp in free air and play the freq at low/normal volume for the break in time and you are good to go.

but it would be better if you just install them and let them break in in there intended environment.

DrShaggy (DrShaggy) 2013-03-22 15:34:48 +0500 #298

Thanks for asking Nabeel bhai, just as the guys said, its much better to break the speakers in, in the car. But to answer your question, yes you can break them in, connected to home audio system. Nauman bhai has done that in the past, Just need to make sure that the home amplifier supports 4ohm load as "most" home amplifiers are either 6 or 8 ohm stable. Having said that, I still would recommend to break them in while installed in the car. Why? Because, A. You get to feel the difference in their sound characteristics as they keep breaking in, you appreciate the changes better. B. The environment in car, especially temperature, helps breaking in the speaker much quicker. I say sir, do give your elates a chance, use them, you can give them away later as well But I am sure once you dial these beauties in, along with the rest of your awesome setup, you would definitely label them as "keepers"

Good luck.

rio2 (rio2) 2013-03-22 16:50:47 +0500 #299

Sounds like a plan. They look gorgeous in itself but it looks like I will be installing them at some point for sure. They are worth it just based on the leather box that they come in itself!

rio2 (rio2) 2013-03-22 16:54:41 +0500 #300

Thanks maddy bhai.........from what I gather now installing them in the car and letting them break in naturally so to speak sounds like the best way to go about it.....Might construct custom pods for them when I get the time and then go all in........lets see.............

rio2 (rio2) 2013-03-22 17:01:10 +0500 #301

DrShaggy;3799734:

Thanks for asking Nabeel bhai, just as the guys said, its much better to break the speakers in, in the car. But to answer your question, yes you can break them in, connected to home audio system. Nauman bhai has done that in the past, Just need to make sure that the home amplifier supports 4ohm load as "most" home amplifiers are either 6 or 8 ohm stable. Having said that, I still would recommend to break them in while installed in the car. Why? Because, A. You get to feel the difference in their sound characteristics as they keep breaking in, you appreciate the changes better. B. The environment in car, especially temperature, helps breaking in the speaker much quicker. I say sir, do give your elates a chance, use them, you can give them away later as well But I am sure once you dial these beauties in, along with the rest of your awesome setup, you would definitely label them as "keepers"

Good luck.

thanks indeed Shahid bhai..........was never aware of the importance of letting the speakers break in inside the environment of the car......I guess it would indeed give me a better chance at observing the levels of softness in sound achieved over time during the break in period of the Morels.......the various changes in sound so to speak..........

When I do install them am going to make sure the man does a perfect job .........so that I can experience the true essence of the Elates.........thanks again bhai