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    Default Suggestion Required: Cultus EPS vs HPS

    Hi PW Users,
    I need some advice on Power Steering for my 2004 Cultus.
    Where can I get EPS kit in khi? And what are the installation procedures? What will be the expected total cost?
    Is EPS better or HPS?
    I have heard that imported Cultus EPS kits are available from Sher Shah market for use in local Cultus... Will this work good?
    I dont want any thing that require constant and frequent maintainence
    Please suggest...


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    @Zank

    worry not, mein aap ka kharcha nahin karraoon gah lol..btw where do you reside so i'll try my best to come before the 10th of this month ..Kal ka thora sah mushkil ...Usman Ansari is an avid fan/supporter of the cultus and i bet he will be the first person to install this EPS kit if he is convinced
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    I live near Moti Mehal, Gulshan.
    Sent you my mobile number in a personal message.

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    Thanks, got it !
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    Do you have any pics of the installation process?
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    Nope

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    If Akbar and Usman are Convinced,,, so will be Zubair...
    BTW great work done Zank.... Keep it up...
    Wat about maintanence after installation? do u need to change oil etc? and what if the ecu or motor burns? will u be able to turn steering to goto ur mechanic than?
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    Oil??? :O
    No Oil change ups, no messy belts, no sound on full turning, no engine power consumption... Thats why I opted for EPS. Its all very simple and electronic.

    If any unit fails, the manual steering is always available. I drove my car for the whole day with out ECU working.
    By the way these Japanese units do not easily gets banged, unless you do something really unnecessary
    Use good wiring, use relays, make proper connections, it wont get disorder. It depends on the electrician/mechanic that does your work.

    Its a zero maintenance thingy man!

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    And yes, always ask and remind your electrician to get pulse from the distributor. He will get that.

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    can u service engine area of the car? will the wiring burn out if water goes in?

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    Yes yes you can use water at your own will, no problems indeed
    The wiring in the engine area is nothing more than just two wires coming into the steering unit inside the car. The hole is also rubber packed by company and used for all other wires too (like lights, horn, security system etc.)
    If they dont get burned, then neither will it
    Make sure the wires are new and well insulated without breakups and joints. Any joints/connections made should be well taped at both the ends.

    Well to be straight forward, in normal condition there is no question of water ruining such wirings.

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    Okay OKay...
    I thought the motor willl be in Engine's bay...
    How much did it all cost you?
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    Nopes, all units were fixed at the steering column by default (Japanese design). There is nothing in the engine room.

    The whole kit cost me for Rs.6000. Could have been half a thousand less, but it was delivered at my mechanics workshop with warranty until fixture. So this way it saved me quite a bucks and most importantly saved hectic efforts going to the Sher Shah market myself (which is a painful experience in khi, atleast for me)
    Plus, sometimes you care for better service than a thousand rupee note. Take it this way, the man delivered me the kit. Then I again called him to send over the original wiring grips with a "please" in my statement He sent over his man again (these original grips are not included in kit by the way). Then the next day, after installation we found that the ECU card is out of order (dead may be), called him again and he sent a replacement again
    This is better service, which saved you a lot of trouble for an extra five hundred note Choice is yours.

    Installation charges may be around 3K I think.
    I have some different terms with the mechanic as he takes care of my car for a long time and also looks after its insurance things, plus I had some other things done too in the meantime. Thats why he didnt charge any sum exclusively for the installation.

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    There are some other types of EPS available also costing around 10-12K. But there is no need for them in simple carby cars. Those are suitable for higher ends automatic cars like Accord and Mark X, and have complex installation procedures plus a lot of alterations for installing.
    Keep it simlpe! Stick to the purpose For example, I'm sure nobody will bother to have automatic transmission clip in EPS kit. Atleast not we, the Cultus owners, will

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    and what abt the control of steering in high speed?
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    Previously with stock steering module, I couldnt drive the car with my hands off the steering. Now I can
    I have test drive the car well on roads at variable speeds. It is giving good road feel. I could drive easily at higher speeds also, previously you have to hold the steering quite carefully at higher speeds.
    Yes, this is true that I'm having difficulty in making quick overtakes, and that is all because I'm used to off manual steering. I think my hands will get set in a couple of days.
    Waisay, I dont do risky driving at all

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    @Zank

    does the steering get harder on fast speeds or stays the same in all cases? . Is this what you meant regarding getting pulse from distributor? (i.e. so that steering stiffness can be controlled accordingly?)
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    I have still a problem left to settle down, that is, when I make a turn (like u-turn) the steering does not get to the center position by itself.
    I have discussed that with my mechanic and he says he will see that tomorrow, it may be due to the rod/shaft, which might need extra oiling.
    Checked at my wheel alignment guy, and he says this is not due to alignment problems.

    Any suggestions you people got in this thing (the steering not coming back to center position by itself)???
    Before installing EPS, my stock steering module used to come back to center position by itself after turning

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    Zank Ask the person, if he can ship to Rwp/Isb???
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    @AkberGr8:
    No man there is no connection made from the speedometer. Infact carby cars have analog speedometer that is connected with a cable and you cant give input to the ECU from it. On the contrary, RPM does give input to the ECU.

    Well after replacing the stock steering column, the inertia of the steering has increased considerably, and this is good. So it is not a problem driving at higher speeds at all. I have done upto 90 Kmph speed test, it drives well.
    I'm in no mood to get my ride to highways right now to test First I'll get used to this new PS in a couple of then I'll take that to highway as well
    Lets see how it behaves and performs over turning at higher speeds I'll let you people know after taking this risk, ager lia tau...

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    @Zubair530:
    Not sure he will ship that to Isl.
    There must be used spare parts market at Isl. Go there and get a used EPS kit of Japanese Alto, the one with only the steering column EPS. It will fit well in Cultus very easily with a very less alteration, as I have mentioned before.
    Incase, if its ECU does not work, get an ECU of Mitsubishi Japan, it will have tag of "A 1" (its series I think).
    These are not rare things to find. And as one of the PS specialist told me about the cause of price hike, that most of the units are shipped to Lahore and Pindi markets these days from Karachi

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