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    Default Hypermiling (Getting unbelievable mileage on Petrol)

    Hypermiling
    So basically ever since I posted the snaps/videos of getting 22.8 Kilometers/L and then 23.6 KPL I really think its time to share some of the driving habits I carry with me and learn about your driving habits too and see how we can all get the best mileage we can get from our cars and save a lot of fuel and money.

    How much saving are we looking at?
    Some people may think that the money we'll save this way is so less that its almost irrelevant. Its actually just the opposite. You can save yourself up to 50,000 Rupees a year if you're a good hypermiler (that's like buying a CNG kit every year!)

    If you're really good, you can get Petrol mileage which costs you even less as compared to CNG.

    There are hypermiling contests that take place in the west. People who win that contest have got up to 106 Miles per gallon (45 Kilometers per liter!!) at the end of the contest.

    Some hypermiliers in their daily routine get up to 21 Kilometers per liter in Honda Accord (I have a video of a person who gets this average that I will share) -- that's twice of what Honda Promises.

    My experience of Hypermiling is only with Petrol. But I am almost 60% sure that all these techniques do apply to CNG as well. So yes, you can also get phenomenal fuel averages regardless of which fuel you are running.

    Modify yourself, not your car
    As a hypermilier you must understand that there isn't alot you can do with your car that will save fuel, besides removing some useless load from it and checking tire pressure. The actual modification is in your own driving habbit, I'll explain what I mean by this below:

    How we do it

    If you have a 'real time fuel consumption graph' you will see that the most fuel is burnt when you are accelerating. In Honda City and the new XLi/GLi these things come in built from the factory (you can suggest more cars if you have in mind and I will add them in the list which do have these small gadgets). For a hypermiler these are a 'must have' If your car didn't come with one, you can purchase one that plugs into the OBD port and gives you the milage you're getting.

    Alternately you can carry 2 - 3 liters of petrol in a bottle and calculate average by emptying the tank.

    1. Manual Transmission is the best
    If you're going to Hypermile, you will want to try doing this preferably on a manual transmission car, one with a clutch. Manuals will get you a better average as compared to an automatic one.

    2. Slower acceleration

    The basic idea is to drive calm, less aggressive. If you're going to accelerate, do it slowly. I personally shift gears on 2000 RPM. Accelerating "too slowly" could also hurt your gas mileage. So I think the ideal revs to shift would be 2000.

    In an Automatic car, you should try to maintain RPM at 2000 and leave the rest on the car.

    3. Coasting
    You guys must have heard about 'gliding.' Gliding is something when the aeroplanes are flying but their engine's aren't working, or perhaps they don't have one.

    In cars, this phenomenon is called "coasting." In a MT car (Manual Transmission) you can put the car in neutral when you're not wanting to accelerate and that would be coasting for you.

    4. Drive like you're riding a bicycle
    This really really explains the fuel saving in car. Think as if you're on a bicycle. If you have to immediately go from zero to 20 kilometers per hour in a bicycle, you know that you will get tired very quickly because you'll have to give a lot of energy to it.

    Think of "energy" as "fuel" when thinking about car.

    But if you have to go from zero to 20 in, say, 10 minutes? You will reach that speed and still be fresh (meaning you will have lost lesser energy and reached that speed too).

    That's the same way it is with cars. If you're going to accelerate and do it slowly, you will save fuel and energy and still reach a particular speed.

    5. Avoid Breaks
    Remember that every time you are pushing the accelerator or your'e pushing the breaks, you're wasting fuel.

    When the car is 'coasting' and you hit breaks, you are actually loosing all the potential energy that your car has which is later going to cost you fuel when you want it back.

    6. Looking as far as you can
    As a hypermiler, you're going to want to look as far ahead on the road as you can. If you can see a red light at about 400 meters from you, you don't have to race to that point and then abruptly hit breaks. In Pakistan a lot of times there are road blocks, what most people do is that they hit breaks and stop one inch before the blocks (which reduces the probability of clearing of the road block).

    If you can see you're going to have to stop in about 500 meters, what you do is put the car in neutral and let it coast all the way for you. When the car is in neutral and its coasting/gliding, the average you're getting is about 50 - 60 kilometers per liter. This puts a big impact on the overall average of your car.

    I do this every time I reach a toll plaza on the motor way. People sometimes get passed by me at high speeds and then break right in front of the lane. Since I am slow, I get the chance to choose the lane that has the least amount of traffic in it.

    7. Drive below speed limit
    Within the city the speed limit generally is around 60 Km/h, and on the highway its 100 Kph, and on motor way its 120.

    I drive at between 90 - 100 on Motorway and easily get 22 KPL at the end of the journey.

    Lets us see if this speed really wastes a lot of time.

    The distance from the Peshawar toll plaza to Rawalpindi toll plaza is about 151 Kilometers. If you're driving on 120, you'll get an average of 16 KM/L. Basically there is a huge drop in average as soon as you go above 105 KM/H (I don't know why).

    Now, if your'e driving at 120 KM/H and you have to travel a distance of 151 KMs, you will do that in:
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    151/120 x 60 = 75 Minutes
    If you travel the same distance in 100 Kilometers/H the difference would be:

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    151/100 x 60 = 90 Minutes
    That's just a difference of 15 minutes? Not at all a huge difference? Right? For just the difference of 15 minutes in a 1.5 hour journey, you can save yourself up to 400 rupees per trip.

    So there is just a psychological effect in driving slow. People may over take you a lot of times and you may feel "Arrrggg!!" in the begging, but this feeling ends up as soon as you see the savings you're making. I personally have started feeling uneasy with 120 Km/h. I feel the most comfortable when I am at 90.

    As I wrote, its all about changing 'driving' habits. This is one of them.

    Slower speeds are much safer. You're almost completely in control of your car. Above 120, you really don't know what you're doing. If anything comes in front of you, even with ABS its going to take a while for the car to stop. At 90, it will be much more safe and easy to drive.

    Driving below speed limit also saves you from getting a chalan on the motorway. And best of all, its 'Good for the Engine." Making your engine cry on every trip probably will cost its life at the end of 200,000 Kilometers. But going slow really gives the time for the engine to breath and not over heat etc.

    The theory is that the less you push it, the happier it will be.

    8. You don't have to necessarily turn off the AC
    If the weather is not that bad, cloudy, or you're driving at early morning or evening, I think it is not difficult to drive without AC. Turning on the fan and setting it to fresh air mode should do it for you.

    But if you're driving in the middle of the day, you shouldn't turn off the AC. It does consume fuel but hypermiling is also about remaining as practical as one can be.

    What I personally do is that I put the fan speed to 4 for the first 10 minutes, and then immediately put it to 1 with AC on. When the fan is on 1x, it makes the AC trip a lot more often as compared to higher fan speeds. This keeps the temperature of the car reasonable and you can go ahead with the hypermiling as well.

    Remember it is always the best to close the windows and open it only when it is absolutely necessary. Turn on the AC if you want cold air or use the fan in the fresh air mode. Opening the windows increases drag that you would really want to reduce.

    9. Loose useless weight
    Sometimes there is some luggage inside your trunk that you haven't noticed. Its always the best to remove all the unnecessary stuff from the car.

    Also remember that if you've got yourself a CNG kit, you should try hypermiling WITH CNG and not with Petrol because the cylinder that you have in the trunk is 'heavy' and you're not really going to save alot with that thing still inside the car.


    10. Use factory settings for your car
    The more you modify your car, the more fuel you loose. Putting huge alloys, useless air intake and air filters, spoilers etc. All of these things will hurt your fuel average. Try your best to leave the car on factory settings for the longest possible time.

    My car has 100% factory tires with factory rims. I haven't got it tuned from any one besides changing the oil etc. I didn't let any body touch any other setting in the engine.

    12. Change Air Filter/Engine Oil/Oil filter on time
    Air filter specifically helps. Although when I got 22.8 KPL I had not changed any of these things in the past 5000 kilometers. But when I did, I got 23.6 KPL. So surely these things help. Make sure you change Air filter every 6 months. It does not hurt the savings. On petrol its normal to change Engine oil/oil filter after 6000 kilometers. Don't be miser about putting the best Engine oil out there.

    13. Maintain the momentum
    Another thing you would want to do is maintain the momentum. This is very important and effects about 30% of your fuel efficency. Accelerating and decelerating again and again is a very bad habit of driving. Try to maintain a particular speed for the longest possible time. Again consider cycling. If you're on 20 KM/H on cycling, you're hardly pushing the pedals but the cycle is going at a nice speed. Same goes for cars, they will drink very less fuel and save a lot of money for you.

    14. Some extreme hypermiling techniques that I don't recommend:
    Some crazy hypermilers go to extreme with saving fuel and do a few things that are not advisable to everyone. Only the most experienced people should practice these.

    These include putting more air in your tires than usual. This reduces the drag on the tire.

    Drafting behind bigger trucks. Some trucks on the motor way are going at 100 KPH. Drafting behind them does safe fuel. When you drive behind them, the resistance of the air that your car faces when there is no one in front of it is gone because then the truck will face that resistance and you're car will have to put less effort to drive.

    Thirdly, some extreme hypermilers turn off the engine when they are going on a down stream. Obviously when the car is off and you're going down stream, you are getting infinite kilometers per liter. But this is not at all recommended by me. May be you guys could do some research on this on your own and come back with the results and share it here.

    Some people even remove the spare tire to reduce weight.. again this is one of the extreme steps.

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    This is all I can think of for now. Please do come with your findings and let us all know how much you've saved. I'll be posting a video as well about hypermilers and their interviews momentarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badar7 View Post
    wat do u think will b the best milege per litre by a well maintained vti civic 05 modal..(if its on petrol,ie no cng weight,3-4 passengers)...?
    i achived 12.95per litre ( driven on 90-100km/hour,with a/c) on my previous civic of that modal(vti 06 with cng n 4 passengers)
    Is it manual or automatic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badar7 View Post
    i m still confused...night se avg ka kya relation h??
    Night main temprature is good, so AC ki zaroorat nahi parhti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badar7 View Post
    wat do u think will b the best milege per litre by a well maintained vti civic 05 modal..(if its on petrol,ie no cng weight,3-4 passengers)...?
    i achived 12.95per litre ( driven on 90-100km/hour,with a/c) on my previous civic of that modal(vti 06 with cng n 4 passengers)
    I don't know about Civic's fuel tank capacity. But a guy on CleanMPG says he got about 465 miles per tank: New! 2005 Civic LX - CleanMPG Forums

    If the capacity of the tank is 41 Liters, then its about 18 Kilometers/Liter, which is pretty nice average.

    Civic 1.6L generally makes it to 100 Kilometers/Cylinder (of CNG) very difficultly. So 18 KPL should get you a better average than CNG if you can get this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    Is it manual or automatic?
    m talking abt manual,vti 1600,04-06 shape

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    do u knw abt 'laser irridium plugs',some1 said to me that they give better milege,is it pos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badar7 View Post
    do u knw abt 'laser irridium plugs',some1 said to me that they give better milege,is it pos?
    No, I don't know about laser iridium plugs, but what I do know is that a car produces the best mileage with 100% factory settings and spares.

    Adding anything 'after market' to the car hurts the gas mileage. This includes custom rims, different tire sizes, mufflers, special air intake/air filters, useless roof scope and spoilers, non-standard plugs etc..

    The best mileage is (in my limited knowledge) produced by the car which is closest to factory defaults.
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    Following almost all of them and yes getting good results too.
    Very informative thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by killervtec View Post
    Following almost all of them and yes getting good results too.
    Very informative thread...
    My friend own a Suzuki Alto on CNG. He used to get about 130 Kms per 9KG CNG (local), now he is getting about 185 Kilometers per same cylinder in local.
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    hats of for u !!
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    My vitz owner manual says 22km/l and i am getting 16-17 if i drive like mentioned above. I am sure i will get 22 on m2 but my target will be 22+ as nothing is impossible
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    increasd mine frm 11 to 11.4.. New airfiltr, 33psi tyre press, oil chnge, rem cat filter etc.. Not satisfied.

    My tyres r nt factry though. Thy r 185/65 15in
    Came with my vitz whn i bought it though
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdaackda View Post
    increasd mine frm 11 to 11.4.. New airfiltr, 33psi tyre press, oil chnge, rem cat filter etc.. Not satisfied.

    My tyres r nt factry though. Thy r 185/65 15in
    Came with my vitz whn i bought it though
    I have 15" too in my vitz 05.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    No, I don't know about laser iridium plugs, but what I do know is that a car produces the best mileage with 100% factory settings and spares.

    Adding anything 'after market' to the car hurts the gas mileage. This includes custom rims, different tire sizes, mufflers, special air intake/air filters, useless roof scope and spoilers, non-standard plugs etc..

    The best mileage is (in my limited knowledge) produced by the car which is closest to factory defaults.
    do checkout user manual although boltout the oem plugs in ur City.Ur pointoff view will be totally different InshaAllah regarding Iridium Spark plugs.
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    @after market modifications impact
    how abt if we swap oem heavier rims with light weight keeping the size same.Light weight cross drilled brake rotors.

    In engine swaping in lighter cam pulleys,crank pulleys,lighter flywheel,using induction pipe wth less drag force to reduce engine duty to pull in Air.

    Do research on those such after mkt mods can addon to mileage both theoratically n practiacally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAshims View Post
    I have 15" too in my vitz 05.
    what about the width? I think 185 is TOO much... next time i'll change tyres, i'll get 165.... wht do u ppl say? i dont drive very fast so grip wont be a big issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasay_ahmed View Post
    @after market modifications impact
    how abt if we swap oem heavier rims with light weight keeping the size same.Light weight cross drilled brake rotors.

    In engine swaping in lighter cam pulleys,crank pulleys,lighter flywheel,using induction pipe wth less drag force to reduce engine duty to pull in Air.

    Do research on those such after mkt mods can addon to mileage both theoratically n practiacally.
    I think if these things were any good, or even technically possible, the guys building these cars would have added them. For instance 'lighter cam pulleys" are definitely the lightest they could find. Same goes for the rest of the things.

    Similarly, using bigger air intakes may pull more air, but its going to add more dirt to it too. The aim of hypermiling is getting better mileage without sacrificing safety of the passenger as well as the car's engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdaackda View Post
    increasd mine frm 11 to 11.4.. New airfiltr, 33psi tyre press, oil chnge, rem cat filter etc.. Not satisfied.

    My tyres r nt factry though. Thy r 185/65 15in
    Came with my vitz whn i bought it though
    You should pay a lot more attention to other points, not getting air filter, tire pressure oil change etc. Remember that when I got 22 kpl, I had not changed any of these things in the last 5000 kilometers.

    The main thing to change is the driving style. Most importantly how to bring your car to zero from any particular speed. How you react to red light and how you feel when someone over takes you. These things matter alot.

    On Vitz, you should easily get 20 km/l on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    You should pay a lot more attention to other points, not getting air filter, tire pressure oil change etc. Remember that when I got 22 kpl, I had not changed any of these things in the last 5000 kilometers.

    The main thing to change is the driving style. Most importantly how to bring your car to zero from any particular speed. How you react to red light and how you feel when someone over takes you. These things matter alot.

    On Vitz, you should easily get 20 km/l on average.
    I do not know what Vitz are you talking about, my experience is that they are very poor in terms of fuel economy. I tried it all and still do not get more than 13 km/l. Mine is 2007 in very very good condition with no cng. The route i drive on is as good as it can get in Isb with very less traffic.

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    ^^ and its not just me, i know two other guys who have up model vitz and they also have pretty much same avg. One of which I know for sure, drives like an old lady...

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    @Bilal
    Nice thread !

    Few of these techniques i have been already using but the tires pressure thingy never clicked me before !
    I was using previously 30 psi for my city having 185-70-13, but now i put 32 on testing purpose, lets see if it works sure will opt it for future, my concern regarding more psi in tires only with cars grip, i felt my ride lil bumpy now and have doubts about less grip on going hilly areas during rain or mud slush split on road !

    Rest its working fine in city drive !
    Keep up the good act.

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