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    Dear All!
    Can anybody please tell why Xli had been selling and to some extent still selling like hot cakes despite the fact that it has no power features, No ABS, Air bags etc. To me! it's ridiculous for a 1.3 L car not to have even power windows but why people still love it or buy it more than any other 1.3 L car??


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    Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
    Does city performs like xli on unpaved roads or is its suspensions is soft as xli simply no
    can XLi handles like City on sharp turns? Simply NO.
    braking on XLI is better than city? Simply NO.
    Fuel efficiency of XLI is better than City? Simply NO.
    Power to weight ratio of XLI is better than city? Simply NO.

    Its enough for you. no need to mention more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    i know what modulated braking is
    driving on ice with modulated braking is something different u know the car is going to skid and u drive and brake accordingly

    but when pedestrians come infront of ur car or some lame brain comes the wrong way on main roads the natural reaction is to jam the brakes

    no one thinks about pumping the brakes at these times
    thats incorrect, correct driving technique is instinctive and comes from experience, just like you know your car will skid on ice, you should know that your car will also skid on dry tarmac too. And you never pump it - you hold it at partial bite.

    And Im not talking about race driving either. btw any road which allows 60 km/h driving would not have pedestrian traffic, and if any pedestrian does try to walk across in order to commit suicide, then its not yours or your car's fault. Its his fault that he's dead.
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    Because XLI is cheaper than other models of Corolla....


    Less fuel consumption and token tax fee than other models of Corolla.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk_KingpiN View Post
    can XLi handles like City on sharp turns? Simply NO.
    braking on XLI is better than city? Simply NO.
    Fuel efficiency of XLI is better than City? Simply NO.
    Power to weight ratio of XLI is better than city? Simply NO.

    Its enough for you. no need to mention more.
    Then why you are jeolous from corolla sales.even it doesnt have anything still it kicks all cars in sales record.
    Does city has awesome resale like xli??
    Does city has better quality interior like xli?
    Does city has that much attractive exterior design as xli?


    Simply no and for u new model corolla has good grip same as city if not better.City is not also stable on high speeds due to light weight and it also kicks city in safety department of body strrenght i can prove it with a thread
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    thats incorrect, correct driving technique is instinctive and comes from experience, just like you know your car will skid on ice, you should know that your car will also skid on dry tarmac too. And you never pump it - you hold it at partial bite.

    And Im not talking about race driving either. btw any road which allows 60 km/h driving would not have pedestrian traffic, and if any pedestrian does try to walk across in order to commit suicide, then its not yours or your car's fault. Its his fault that he's dead.
    yar in Pakistan the Car wala gets blamed :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
    Then why you are jeolous from corolla sales.even it doesnt have anything still it kicks all cars in sales record.
    Does city has awesome resale like xli??
    Does city has better quality interior like xli?
    Does city has that much attractive exterior design as xli?


    Simply no and for u new model corolla has good grip same as city if not better.City is not also stable on high speeds due to light weight and it also kicks city in safety department of body strrenght i can prove it with a thread
    Tch tch tch.. I am an owner of corolla. But not crappy models like XLi. new model has good grip same as city? kabi city chalai b hay bhai?

    City is not stable on high speed? i drove it on 180 and i also drove my Saloon on 180. I know which car is stable.

    Safety department of body strength? What are u trying to say? i cant understand? Please elaborate this sentence in better english please.

    Resale? hahahaha.. Go better ask some good repute showroom. New model of XLi has resale equivalent to city. last model of XLi has better resale because that car rocked on CNG. That's why 07-08 model(old shape) GLi is being sold for 12.50+.

    Better interior quality? some ppl like black interior some ppl like beige.. Its interior quality is good. but not for you. because you are a fan boy.

    Buy an XLI for 14 lacs. Spend 20k more for power windows. Wow..

    Drive Xli on un-even roads and city.. You will know the advantage of hard suspension.

    Jealous? Haha.. I dont care. which car has more resale. I buy a car which satisfies me and has better specs. Not for resale. Neither i'm a dealer. Nor i want to.
    Oh.. Btw ye Jeolous kia hota hay? Please tell its meaning too.

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    mubeen ur arguing with a guy who owns a 2010 City and 2010 Saloon

    ur only experience is with a GLI meaning ur opinion doesnt have weight

    City is not also stable on high speeds
    let me guess ur "friend" owns a City and he took to 180km/h and reported back to u that its not stable? :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    let me guess ur "friend" owns a City and he took to 180km/h and reported back to u that its not stable? :p
    Haha well said..

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    As salam o aliqum..

    for all above..

    bahi jis ko jo gari passand ha woh le le. koi zabardast nhn ha..
    jis ko honda passand ha woh honda lele jis ko toyota woh toyata lele..

    kindly mujhay koi ye bata de k apni passand se agar koi corolla le raha ha to koi gunnah nhn ha..
    nufrat kune kar rahay ho us k choice se..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    yar in Pakistan the Car wala gets blamed :/
    that is not a valid reason to argue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Brother, what you are saying might all be true to some extent but I have some issue with the highlighted text. I think you have gone to the point of abusing your machine




    I absolutely agree with the highlighted parts! Sadly though...
    No abusing my dear. If you read the sticker in the engine bay it says Toyota Long Life Coolant lasts 160,000 Kms. I have driven only 76,000 kms so far (since Jan 05). My yearly average was less than 10,000 kms per year.

    Only last year I started driving more when I started construction of my house near Police Foundation O-9 so had to travel from I-8. And now I have a daily run of at least 50 kms to and from office.

    Stock breaks and break pads are good enough till 100,000 kms and with my driving style i.e anticipatory driving, I use more the engine power to reduce, break speed. I never run to the traffic signals and then break hard and wait there.

    Rest I have kept up with the maintenance. Have changed/flushed/replaced transmission, power steering, break oil completely from Toyota 3S.

    All along have been buying genuine Toyota filters (air and oil) from 3S. The car still feels like you are driving just a few months old and it is very very light on the pocket.

    Nothing special about the car, but it really does the job well for which it is intended for.
    Be polite on the road. Always give way to others, particularly ambulances and pedestrians.

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    that is not a valid reason to argue here
    -Pedestrians cross the roads whenever they please
    -9 out of 10 drivers hard brake in emergency
    -Experienced drivers in Pakistan dont the meaning of modulated braking
    -ABS over comes it all

    XLI not having ABS = Toyota Indus being cheap
    GLi (old shape) not having ABS = Toyota Indus being cheap
    Honda City iDSI not having ABS = Honda Atlas being cheap

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    Big percentage of our general public is unaware of car specifications and safety features like ABS, EBD, Airbags and list goes on...... Most of ppl can differentiate between XLI and Gli is only on the basis of Power windows.... And between XLi and Altis on the basis of fuel consumption..

    thats all from my side !!!!
    Why depreciation factor is not applicable to Pakistani corolla ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    -Pedestrians cross the roads whenever they please
    -9 out of 10 drivers hard brake in emergency
    -Experienced drivers in Pakistan dont the meaning of modulated braking
    -ABS over comes it all

    XLI not having ABS = Toyota Indus being cheap
    GLi (old shape) not having ABS = Toyota Indus being cheap
    Honda City iDSI not having ABS = Honda Atlas being cheap
    so I take that you would rather have something FIX lack of skill rather than hone it. Sweet... How come drivers in the past were driving cars without ABS.

    and about the manufacturers being cheap, its the customers that have dictated them to be cheap, by blindly following and thanking them for whatever they gave us as cars. Smack them upside the head, stop buying their product and get some consumer action bodies to back it, You will see all the goodies roll out in short order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asimgujjar View Post
    Big percentage of our general public is unaware of car specifications and safety features like ABS, EBD, Airbags and list goes on...... Most of ppl can differentiate between XLI and Gli is only on the basis of Power windows.... And between XLi and Altis on the basis of fuel consumption..

    thats all from my side !!!!

    Pls add price difference as well
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    @Xulfiqar. Totally agree with you, but sadly we Pakistanis do not see what is beyond our noses, so consumer action is a distant dream, though not impossible, but requires centuries to become a reality. May be our next generation does it. But the status quo is annihilating all the talent and moulds it in its own way.

    Again sadly, people can pay and are paying hundreds of thousands of more bucks for the stripped down wheels so in this scenario the assemblers, manufacturers have a field day helped by a corrupt bureaucracy which does not impose any safety standards or quality control on their products. These are the ground realities and one needs nothing short of a revolution to change them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
    @Xulfiqar. Totally agree with you, but sadly we Pakistanis do not see what is beyond our noses, so consumer action is a distant dream, though not impossible, but requires centuries to become a reality. May be our next generation does it. But the status quo is annihilating all the talent and moulds it in its own way.

    Again sadly, people can pay and are paying hundreds of thousands of more bucks for the stripped down wheels so in this scenario the assemblers, manufacturers have a field day helped by a corrupt bureaucracy which does not impose any safety standards or quality control on their products. These are the ground realities and one needs nothing short of a revolution to change them.
    All in all - we need to remove the veils from our faces and get our priorities straight

    1 education (every aspect of life education - not kitaab, pencil etc)
    2 common sense
    3 respect for one's identity

    The rest will self align itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
    +1.i have been driven 06Gli for 4years in speed limit and never find any need of abs and to tell my car never skided while braking hard even.First thing a mature driver should do is to drive under speed limit and concentrate on road otherwise airbags and abs are passive safety

    Errrrr... my prev car was 05 saloon and it always used to skid when hard braking was needed,is 100 this overspeeding??.stop being biased and a fanboy .And please share about ur driving techniques as im really amazed that ur gli never skids.

    XLI here in balochistan is used as taxi to travel from city to city parts are easily available and the car is cheap in corolla category.Many of my cousins and frnds did bought XLI but they sold them within a week.

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    so I take that you would rather have something FIX lack of skill rather than hone it. Sweet... How come drivers in the past were driving cars without ABS.
    By all means Fix it
    raise awareness and give proper driving education and road ethics and reduce the need for ABS

    and about the manufacturers being cheap, its the customers that have dictated them to be cheap, by blindly following and thanking them for whatever they gave us as cars. Smack them upside the head, stop buying their product and get some consumer action bodies to back it, You will see all the goodies roll out in short order.
    again i would love to see that happen but when 1 Car is available for 20 potential buyers u cannot convince all 20 of them to stop buying the car

    hence this thread
    Reason for Success of XLI

    You will not buy it
    I will not buy it
    and between us we can convince 10 other guys to not buy it but there will be 8 guys who will buy and u can bet few of those 8 will pay a 2Lakh Rs premium to buy it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    By all means Fix it
    raise awareness and give proper driving education and road ethics and reduce the need for ABS



    again i would love to see that happen but when 1 Car is available for 20 potential buyers u cannot convince all 20 of them to stop buying the car

    hence this thread
    Reason for Success of XLI

    You will not buy it
    I will not buy it
    and between us we can convince 10 other guys to not buy it but there will be 8 guys who will buy and u can bet few of those 8 will pay a 2Lakh Rs premium to buy it

    Regrding fixing and not rooting the problem - it will never work, e.g. cars in Pakistan run with incorrect cooling systems - no Tstat etc, that results in early extreme wear on the engine, rough running and high fuel consumption. The correct remedy is to reconfigure the system back to how it was designed to operate. NOT overhauling the engine on early intervals.

    there is an urdu word for such consumers buying a cheap product in the name of "pride" - I will not post it here.
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