Cultus VXR 2000, a gem, a real workhorse

[UsmanAnsari]

GT Radial are nice tires and I'd buy them any day. But they don't have a date stamp.

Here is a snap of my GT Radials, they do have a date stamp.. which says that the tyres were manufactured in the 11th week of 2007.

a closer image of the brake shoes..

[shqamar]

thanks for replying usman bhai unfortunately i been really busy now a days so i wasnt able to visit raess autos secondly i lost the mobile number of the dude can u please give me the mobile number of raees bhai again also gulshan 13d-2 is huge can u please explain me the location in dept so i dont have to ask any one i am coming from shamim petrol pump . and i am still waiting for u to tell me the plugs u are using heh

[UsmanAnsari]

^ deeply sorry for still not letting you know the plug models, i will visit my CNG person in a day or so and will let you know then.. the only reason of the delay is that i don't have a plug spanner and i almost forgot to get it checked when i was there at my mechanic yesterday..

[ahsanzs]

........these are of carbon........

Quality Autos stocking carbon-based brake shoes! <jumping with="" glee="">[Jumping in glee]

EDIT: the previous ones which were installed in January last year were Taiwan made and performed well.. lets see how long will these serve!

Carbon brake shoes have a long life.

Thanks for the additional photograph.

EDIT: Nice to know your GT Radials have a date stamp. Some GT Radials like Classiro which are not destined for US, Canada or Japan don't have date stamp.
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[shqamar]

its ok usman bhai take your time but do let me know the model and brand name of the plugs u are using in your car also ahsan and usman bhai can u guys tell me any good power windows tech near quality auto parts or in f.b area there are several of auto electrician in water pump but they dont know jack about power windows .

[Zubair530]

Hi All....
I got to an interesting thing abt the EFI Cultus, You all know that FOUR plugs are used in it, means it is a FOUR Cylender car, in the Document it states Cylenders = 3.

Today i went to a Suzuki Spare parts dealer for the plugs cables, they were countinously calling it 1.3 or 1.6, when i said twice or thrice that it is 1000cc, they said to me you are wrong, i said i can show you the documents of the car. They said ok show, so the first thing (number of Cylenders) that was written wrong automaticaly leads to the conclusion that the Engine Size = 993cc will also be wrong...

Can Some body else confirm this??? Iam confused as whether it is 1.0 or 1.3 or 1.6???

The genuine Plug Cables costs 4800Rs, where as there was some other ones for 1200, which i didn't liked, I didn't buy any of them.... Will buy the Genuine ones later after figuring out the exact problem with my car...

[qwertypoiu]

1.0 it is....

[Zubair530]

Proof ?
I mean how can we confirm/check how much cc it is?

[ahsanzs]

....
I got to an interesting thing abt the EFI Cultus, You all know that FOUR plugs are used in it, means it is a FOUR Cylender car, in the Document it states Cylenders = 3.

Today i went to a Suzuki Spare parts dealer for the plugs cables, they were countinously calling it 1.3 or 1.6, when i said twice or thrice that it is 1000cc, they said to me you are wrong, i said i can show you the documents of the car. They said ok show, so the first thing (number of Cylenders) that was written wrong automaticaly leads to the conclusion that the Engine Size = 993cc will also be wrong...

Can Some body else confirm this??? Iam confused as whether it is 1.0 or 1.3 or 1.6???

The genuine Plug Cables costs 4800Rs, where as there was some other ones for 1200, which i didn't liked, I didn't buy any of them.... Will buy the Genuine ones later after figuring out the exact problem with my car...

Please see snapshot #3 here. The post is unrelated to your query but all the relevant pages of the owner's manual are there. The dealer guys must have some imported service manual not applicable to local products.

Hypothesis: Maybe G10B shares engine block with Baleno. This would mean it has different ignition system (Baleno has waste-spark with double coil) but block & head similar to Baleno. The displacement has been lessened by using longer connecting rods. This could also mean once you're in for an engine rebuild, use Baleno parts and get 1300cc?
Or another option: The 16-valve head could be interchangeable with Margalla. So 8-valve Margalla users could buy a newer head or one from shershah for instant power increase? I'll work on it. End of hypothesis.

Regarding the 993cc, bore is 72mm and stroke is 61 mm (mmmmm, over-square). Now let's solve a numerical:

Cylinder volume = pi*r^2*l = pi*(half-bore)^2*stroke = 22/7*(3.6cm)^2*6.1cm = 248.462 cc

Multiply by 4 for 4 cylinders> 4*248.462 = 993.847 cc

So the displacement is true also. (I made all this effort because there are many inconsistencies in the manual).

Also, Wikipedia also has a paragraph on G10B now. Only difference from my info is that it mentions an 8-valve cylinder head.

[ahsanzs]

Quality Autos stocking carbon-based brake shoes! <jumping with="" glee="">[Jumping in glee]
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I have done some homework. I think your brake shoes were leather indeed.
MK Kashiyama set of brake shoes for cultus model number K9933 is leather, whereas K9933-01 is carbon.

MK Kashiyama leather brake shoes come in yellow box with MK logo and name printed in purple. The carbon-based variety comes in blue box with MK logo and name printed in yellow. Khan motors Korangi road and Nippon autos Sunset commercial area are currently stocking this. (Both are near to each other and hence Khan motors is also in Sunset commercial). Quality autos doesn't (as of today) have either brake pads or brake shoes of carbon type.

Also, leather ones look slightly brown, whereas carbon ones look exactly donkey gray. MK have a good online presence complete w/ online catalog (which can be accessed only through a Japanese IP, can somebody tell me a Japanese proxy host?) The website is all in flash so translate doesn't work. You can have a look here, the brake shoes on the left are carbon, the brake pads on the right are leather. Main problem is one can only distinguish when both materials are lying side-by-side.

UPDATE: I found out that SGP (Suzuki genuine, or factory-fitted) brake shoes for cultus are NBK D9007 FF. It is light grey and surely has material composition different than either the leather ones or carbon ones available in market. They have steel filing mixed, though, just like the others.

Apparently these 'FF' etc are friction ratings. Just like the API/SAE ratings on engine oil bottle suggests its performance, brake materials have ratings too. Never knew this before. For more info, plz follow:

Capabilities of Various Brake Pads (this document will try to download to computer then open. Harmless.)
Best Brake Pads & Best Brake Pads - Part 2

Right now I don't know which agency maintains these standards. There is a hint it is named FMSI. I'll find out and update.

[UsmanAnsari]

thanks for the research ahsanzs, quite helpful.. but whatever the material used, leather or carbon, all important is that they have to last longer.. lets see how long they are going to perform. the previous Taiwanese ones served for approx 1.4 years so i'm expecting these Japanese ones to last longer than the Taiwanese.

@shqamar
the plugs in my car are Denso W20EP-U with a plug gap set between 0.8-1.0.. they were installed some 2 years back replacing the ones which came with the car (when i bought it).. don't remember the price though

[tried]

How is your cultus going on Ada?

[shqamar]

hey usman bhai ,
i would like to ask does your car knocks on petrol ? i use petrol once in a week and when ever i use my car on petrol it knocks on high race now when last time i had my cng service done the dude set timing to advance and he said it will give me maximum performance on cng now i had feel the difference and my car never failed to amazed me on cng but on petrol it starts knocking more it used to knock but now it knocks more so if i set my timing again to retard would it makes any difference on cng performance ? or is there any setting that i can gt excellent performance on cng and average performance on petrol ? i heard all that about using high octane and blah but thats not a permanent solution , would like to hear your experience about it thanks.

[UsmanAnsari]

i drive on petrol once in a week or two. i don't feel knocking though. the knocking you are experiencing is perhaps because of high timing being set but since you are driving a bi-fuel vehicle you wont enjoy 100% on both fuels at the same time.. there will be a bit compromise when driving on petrol if you have tuned your car to perform well on CNG but if you tune it to run well on petrol you will have issues with CNG..

if your car isn't giving you any problems like low mileage, starting problem or bad acceleration, then i think leave it this way and enjoy!

[shqamar]

cheers usman bhai for replying please pm me your auto electrician details aswell as i always prefer your boys thanks .

[UsmanAnsari]

but as i always say, don't ever have a blind trust on them.. always approach them telling the problem & what they have to do, rather than telling them the symptoms and let them do what they want.

[shqamar]

thanks for the advice usman bhai , can u tell me what is the function of distributor i mean as the name stated i can tell its distribute the current but can u tell me how u can tell if its not set properly i have a strange problem and i am not able to solve it yet , i have tried several of mechanics now the problem is when i try to turn my ignition switch the car chokes for a second and i feel car is start but its not than on second attempt it starts like normal different mechanics have different opinions , i have replace my self and service all the necessary bits but one of our pw members said cultus has a auto choke system and it chokes its normal but i am still convince theres something about air and fuel mixture setting error and it chokes cos of that or u reckon distributor setting has anything to do with it ?

[UsmanAnsari]

one of our pw members said cultus has a auto choke system

that pw member was me and i answered this in your posted thread regarding Cultus choke

how long do you attempt to try on the first self? the auto choke scenario is normal, sometimes even if my car doesn't start on first self i don't intend to prolong the first self, as i know in the second attempt the car will start in an instant! this happens because of the choke but then not all the time.. normally the car starts perfectly fine in first self!

[shqamar]

the car starts instant on second self and it happens often not all the time so i guess time to leave this subject and let it go some time i can be so naive about my car thanks usman bhai for replying .

[UsmanAnsari]

the car starts instant on second self and it happens often not all the time.

thats 100% auto choke participating take a gun and shoot it lolz
seriously its normal and nothing to worry about..