10th Generation Civic Owners/ FanClub Discussion Thread

[khuram2703]

Another turn off for me as it is subjective to looks only is "Hino Bus" type ugly DRLs in Elantra...

[captain.mujtaba]

Does the CVT transmission in civic X transfer more actual power from the engine to the wheels, as compared to the old prosmatic transmission?

[arkhitekt]

Yes. The old Prosmatec is based on a conventional Automatic system and it has gear divisions but in a CVT it is a belt system which variates instead of shifting a gear so the power output is immediately there without any downshifting. Although a lot of people mistake the jerk of a Prosmatec as better response because that jerk gives them a feeling of acceleration but in reality that jerk is wasting time. CVT lacks that jerk hence they mistake it as slow due to the jerk being missing and they think it doesn’t throw you back like Prosmatec 🤣 🤣 🤣

Though these are all family sedans and shopping carts with engines but for the heck of it I recorded a 9th Gen Civic Prosmatec with Oriel X as well and the difference was much more significant despite the fact both cars share same engine. Also the fuel economy on a CVT is better because engine isn’t downshifting and upshifting under the transmission wasting revs and rather picking up pace from whatever range the engine is in.

[grotle998]

Im gonna second Ali bhai here and say that yehi baat sahi hai as the prosmatec is a really old 5 Speed from around 2006? or maybe even older in some other models and 5 Gears nowadays is simply inadequate across the entire speed range. The only place where its quicker is off the line as it gets up good only in first gear and immediately slows down in 2nd gear and above. The X's CVT doesn't get up good initially but once it reaches redline its in its maximum power range all the way upto 207 km/h

[thedoctor1]

"Hino Bus" type ugly DRLs in Elantra

[mirza.ghalib]

Changed the battery today as the old one went bust (Daewoo maintenance free worked for 30 months, which i was told is good enough. Dont know for sure though. Got the same thing again). The problem is: After battery change, three lights have turned on in the cluster (the yellow parking break light just above the regular red parking break light, the yellow power steering light and the yellow traction control light). None of these were present before taking out the battery and hence the issue must be connected with the battery change procedure.

(P.S. Ive tried searching this forum but the result is limited to around 50 or 100 posts only and the 'order:latest' parameter in the search box is not working).

[khuram2703]

Adding to it:

Power loss across CVT is aprox 8%.
Power loss across Conventional Automatic is aprox 20%.

[khuram2703]

Drive it for few kms, these lights will go away. These lights comes on whenever the batt terminals disconnected and connected again.
This is normal phenomenon in this model

[mirza.ghalib]

Thank you

[biloo]

They don't update the firmware. I had to change my unit for a firmware update as the older was stuck at And 4.4 and my TPMS wasn't working with that unit.

[danyalag6]

CVTs still suffer from belt slippage at high tire speeds which is why manufacturers limit them for top speed runs. The 1.5T available here with a CVT can only do around 210 kph, the same car is available in the US with a manual and will easily hit 235 kph.
CVTs also cannot come close to handling the same amount of torque as a conventional torque-converter automatic. Most tuners hate them for this reason. About the only thing they are good for is fuel economy. And yes, the prosmatic is an old transmission, but it was never engineered for acceleration, rather it was only designed for economy. It has exceptionally long gear ratios, and slow slushy (comfort) shifting; meaning it has a loose torque converter. This is also why it wastes power. A properly tuned torque-converter automatic will always be quicker both at launch and at the top end than a CVT.
I'm also not sold on the reliability of CVTs compared with conventional autos, torque converters can take a lot of abuse, you can literally launch them like manual cars and they will still last more than 200,000 miles.

[arkhitekt]

We are talking about stock modest family cars and shopping carts not tuners. Then that becomes a very vast subject. We are just comparing the same R18 engine mated to a Prosmatec vs a CVT

[ujaved1]

You should only get traction control lights (2 orange lights , top left of the cluster). In my opinion, there should not be any other light. That's the case with my car.

[darthvader]

This is what an aftermarket Pioneer unit looks like

[zaidi.ali.h]

Price?

[captain.mujtaba]

No offence, but this unit makes it look as if it is fitted in a 660cc car. Ruins the look of the dashboard. Just my opinion, nothing more!

[grotle998]

how much did that cost and where'd you purchase it from

[darthvader]

I don’t even know what that means. Fitted in a 660cc car? Is there something about double-DIN units in a 660cc car?

[darthvader]

55k. It’s a slightly used unit. New ones are around 100k. Got it from Rawalpindi.

[biloo]

I agree, it looks hideous. I don't mean to offend the poster though, it's just my personal opinion.