10th Generation Civic Owners/ FanClub Discussion Thread

[adeelamalik]

I recently changed the tyres. Upgraded the stock tyres.

[harisworld13]

In a stand still car if you hear noise on turning then it might be steering rack issue you need to get it inspected

[coolxsubzero]

Most dealerships don't know that honda has recommended 0w20 till 15k. Experienced it both in Lahore and Islamabad. Had to coach them via the manual to get them to use 0w20. I'm at 20k now and still gonna continue using 0w20 since I see no change in driving performance of the car. Any other thoughts by someone who has changed from 0w20 to 5w30 and noticed an improvement or a decline in power delivery?

[harisworld13]

Yea actually i was shocked to see but dealership guy showed me manual for new cars which says all vehicle till 15k should use 0w20 and kater 5w30.
There is not much of a difference but slight change in fuel avg is expected will see im at 12k currently using 0w20.

[satardr]

Salam everyone sorry for inconvenience
When to change brake pads 2017 62000 done currently
I am sure this question must be answered in the thread early but difficult to find.
@arkhitekt @autophile

[arkhitekt]

Brake pad replacement is purely dependent on the driving style. There is simply no mileage interval for it and may vary for every single person. My car may eat its pads on 40k mileage and someone else may use them for 80k. For example: A car driven only on Motorways for 60,000 will have a much much more brake pad thickness left than a car driven in stop and go city traffic for half of that.

The criteria of brake pad replacement is by physically checking the pads for how much thickness is left.

[satardr]

Thank you got it so will inspect and decide

[captain.mujtaba]

Respected fellow forum members,
Previously I had a Honda City 2015 which does not have an independent rear suspension, thus not requiring rear wheel alignment. Now, Civic X comes with an independent rear suspension (if I am not wrong) and a video on youtube (Scotty Kilmer's youtube channel) regarding such suspension stated that a vehicle with this type of suspension setup requires rear wheel alignment too. Is this the case?

[darthvader]

All family sedans released in the past few decades come with independent suspensions, including City.

[captain.mujtaba]

Oops, sorry my bad! But is there a need for rear-wheel alignment?

[waqar747]

Oh I thought they didn't have fully independent rear suspension, except the Civic. Don't know about mid sized sedans and above.
Civic's rear suspension is different in from others, if all are still independent, then what advantage does Civic have?

[arkhitekt]

Corolla, Yaris, City and even Elantra do not have independent suspension. All have a torsion beam and not independent system like Civic does. Civic on the other hand has independent suspension for many decades now and the current one has an independent suspension with multi link system

[arkhitekt]

Your thoughts are correct as per facts even. Corolla, Yaris and City all have a torsion beam meaning rear is linked to each other whereas in Civic there is an independent suspension

[darthvader]

Torsion beam is still somewhat of an independent suspension, or more like a cross between a rigid axle and a fully independent system, leaning more towards the independent side.

[arkhitekt]

No its not remotely close to an independent suspension. It is literally what differentiates an independent suspension and a non independent suspension. A Torsion beam is poles apart from an independent suspension. Its been ages sedans came with a fixed axle and Torsion beam is exactly the kind of thing that falls into a non independent suspension today.

[captain.mujtaba]

Phew! I was not wrong after all!

[captain.mujtaba]

@arkhitekt Ali bhai is there a need for rear-wheel alignment on civic? I have never gotten the rear wheel alignment done for any of our vehicles before.

[darthvader]

You were, and so is he Like it or not, a torsion beam isn’t a fully dependent setup nor is it independent, which is what I said in my post. It’s not ‘this or that’. If a torsion beam in a Corolla is replaced with a rigid axle, which is what a true dependent suspension is, people will simply stop buying the car altogether.

[danyalag6]

There is a bit of truth in your statement however it is certainly also true that multi-link suspensions require periodic alignment while torsion beams are usually maintenance free. Also, most torsion-beam suspensions cannot be adjusted at all, while multi-link suspensions are one of the most adjustable type of suspensions. You can make all sort of adjustments like caster, camber, and toe, while torsion beams at most have only toe adjustability.

[tech_wiz]

Wheel hubs at both ends of a torsion beam are directly connected along with a stabilizer bar. You cannot move one rear wheel up/down independently without directly affecting the other wheel. THAT is exactly what independent rear multi-link suspension solves, because it has two pivot points. One for each side. You don't need to spend more than 2 minutes under each car observing the geometry of it to come to same conclusion which I shared above.

Torsion beam setup is easier to manufacture, has less moving parts and is mostly maintenance free, but it also provides the feeling of less stability and grip.

Pros and cons of Independent multi-link are opposite to that of Torsion beam.