11th Generation Civic Owners/ FanClub Discussion Thread

[hasankhurshid29]

There is one option in our civic which isn't present in even top of the line varaint of civic in USA.
What is it?

[omaruser156370259465]

Bad quality control mayyyybe? Just joking

[hasankhurshid29]

Not the way you are understanding it.
The engine is first detuned to 127 hp using ecu. Now this much Hp doesn't require the LL-CVT which is capable of being paired with higher HP, so they put M-CVT which is safe for this much HP because in USA, 2.0 liter 158 hp engine is also paired with M-CVT

[hasankhurshid29]

Rear AC vents

[fastian04]

2.0 engine has less torque at 195. To get 174 hp, torque figures would be out of reach for mcvt

[hasankhurshid29]

I am saying same
That till 158 hp as its in US variant m-cvt is good
And no need for LL-CVT

[fastian04]

Yeppp but Turbo engine forced them to use Singaporian Specs.

[omaruser156370259465]

Does Civic 11 have any internationally reported issues so far like steering rack in previous gen?

[Sabiqoon]

Not the way you are understanding it.
The engine is first detuned to 127 hp using ecu. Now this much...

Thank you for this elaboration.

Further I wonder even if bringing down the horsepower was necessary, why they pushed the number even lower than the previous gen? I mean instead of 127 hp, they could have brought it down to 139 to 141hp range (M CVT could do well with that figure too). What's the technical gain of detuning to such a lower number which brings it nearer to hp of City 1.5?

[tech_wiz]

I think what almost 99% people here don’t understand is that peak HP and Torque only tell “half” the story about a car’s relative performance.

A car that makes 180Nm Torque from as low as 1700 rpms and basically has a flat Torque curve, let’s say in case of new Oriel from 1700 to all the way up to 4500 rpms coupled with a CVT (that can hold the engine at specific rpms based on load conditions) will outperform another car whose peak torque hits at higher rpms. Even if that other car has more peak HP (140 vs 127).

In all driving scenarios like highway merging, over taking, off the line acceleration, etc. older R18s will struggle a lot against this type of Torque curve.

As for people who claimed earlier that even an older 1.6 Altis will beat it, well good luck trying. I can only offer you some free tissue papers.

Watch this from 26 seconds onwards. Check how low the rpms are and how quickly the speed is climbing up. That’s massive low end torque for you!

[danyalag6]

There is practically no gain to detuning it to 127 hp... at least not to the customer.
But tuning it to 140/150 hp would mean developing a custom tune so that the torque figures could be kept in check. Atlas being the shitty company that it is, didn't want to spend on R&D and so just lifted the tune and the engine/transmission assembly from Singaporean market, where it exists as is.

[danyalag6]

IMO it won't outperform the old oriel because of something you've mentioned: the CVT. While the 1.8 X CVT is not perfect and has considerable lag if you floor it suddenly, upon a full throttle launch it will also hold rpms near peak torque/hp; negating the advantage of a flat torque curve.
Of course, this is all a hypothesis and I won't be making further comments until someone actually drag races a 1.8 X against this gen's Oriel.

[tech_wiz]

Your hypothesis is totally wrong.

Also, you clearly haven’t understood what I wrote.

Please check at what RPMS does R18 engine produce peak Torque in X (and for that matter in 8th, 9th gen as well because its the same engine effectively) - AND you’ll know the answer.

Even when you “brake boost” while launching X, its RPMs still wouldn’t go anywhere even near its R18s peak Torque.

I can already predict 1.8 X losing badly to this so called 127 HP detuned XI.

[Sabiqoon]

...didn't want to spend on R&D and so just lifted the tune and the engine/transmission assembly from Singaporean market, where it exists as is.

This answers my query. Thanks a lot.

[danyalag6]

OK, let's just agree to disagree here. There's already enough fighting going on in this thread.

[hasankhurshid29]

100% true
Honda Pakistan still isn't capable of doing their own tuning to ecus. They are dependent on other markets

[waqasahmed03]

The only reason of 127bhp is mcvt cost. They are letting u eat a bad product to save money. Please enjoy and defend.

Ps: go back a thousand posts before launch date and you will have an encyclopedia on mcvt vs llcvt , torque science and final gear ratios. I think it has more research then atlas did before the launch.

[tech_wiz]

Clearly the general attention span and IQ is going down the drain on this thread day by day.

Have I said that the reason for M-CVT is NOT cost?

Or where am I defending it exactly?

I am just explaining what a flat torque curve is (since some of you clearly don’t know what it is) or what advantage does it have so people can better understand what they are getting.

While it’s simple cause and effect, you lot is still “stuck” on crying 24/7, and I am only talking about the effect, that too purely from a practicality standpoint.

Anyone who even mentions 127 hp is automatically labelled as a “defender”?

At least READ in the context in which I mentioned it.

[waqasahmed03]

torque curve

aik pakistan he reh gaya tha "torque curve" ke science apply kernay kay liay honda kay pass?? the audacity to detune an engine to mint money is creating bad taste. you can still go ahead with your science class; but man its a finance thing. attention span is less, yes because we have already discussed it in length (the coarse you have missed) and there is no more enthusiasm left.

PS: turkey had LPG varient only for 127 HP MCVT and singapore has <130 Horsepower segmentation for vehicel permit.

[waqasahmed03]

by the way... what physics does this random video even suggest?? it has no information, no stats, no rev information, itss just random tiktok type footage.