Alfa Prime vs Flamingo Coolant vs Guard Coolant vs Osaka Coolant?

[Drake]

Upon some research i came to know that there are mainly 3 types of coolant, IAT, OAT & HOAT and OAT should be used in cars manufactured post year 2000. I dont know what difference does it make to use either, but it is what is recommended. Service manual also has info regarding which type to use.

[Xulfiqar]

The recommendation of that was based on very old designs with gasket materials and manufacturing porosity that were not fully up to spec compared to todays cars, For those the IAT coolant was used as it coats the system with a layer of silicates and fills micro gaps. Older cars also were designed with an airgap in the top of the cooling system and this coupled with the original formulation of OAT coolant caused gelling.

however nowadays the formulations have changed for better and OAT coolants can be used in such systems (provided you dont buy NOS items from some guy who sells it from a shack in the woods) - The manufacturing and gasketing materials have also changed for the better.

If you have a real old machine and require an IAT due to some oddball reason - I would suggest to buy a Si HOAT like glysantin G05 or G48 - they work great in such system and have a 5 year service life.

[Hassan1991]

[ZainMahdi]

I have used Guard green in my Khyber for a few years. Never once did it overheat due to the coolant - it overheated once because the welch plugs were corroded (previous owners used tap water).

I have used it for years, and each time I replace it (once a year), the system is remarkably rust free.

I have recently switched to Caltex coolant though, because it was the only coolant available in the market that's available in concentrated form. Even Guard comes mostly premixed nowadays.

[waqasy]

Very good explanation. Thanks for the detailed reply. You've a valid point. I think I'd opt for Havoline.

Someone mentioned that since 660cc takes 3L engine oil. It will take exact 3L of coolant. I don't know if its a story or real fact.

[waqasy]

You're replacing it every year? With good coolant you will not need to replace every year. Coolant can last for years and thousands of miles. According to caltax website:

Havoline Xtended Life Antifreeze/Coolant is based on a patented aliphatic organic additive formulation that provides a service life of 250,000 kilometers/5 years

[Xulfiqar]

Guard sell a concentrated version of their green coolant but its usually sold to industrial customers, you can contact them and ask where to buy that if you are really in the market for guard coolant.

[Xulfiqar]

Find out the capacity, its in the owners manual.

[nwzixh147]

sir whats ur views on guard coolant nostly people dont recomend it

[nwzixh147]

zic dont last long it lasts for only year and half while caltex and toyota lasts for 5 years if u really wanted to go for premix then u should have gone for toyota one using it in my vitz for 4 years still going strong and i dont know what is so rocket science in mixing 50 50 ratio as xulfiqar sir explained

[devils_smile]

I'm using Basf Glysantin and Caltex coolant in my cars. Good coolant will last much longer than mediocre products which at the end of the day result in better bang for the buck over the same time period.

Coolant amount is mentioned in the service manual. If you don't have that, it should be available online. Distilled water is readily available in almost all industrial sectors of every city ( e.g I8 and I9 in Islamabad have multiple shops that sell 5 liter bottles for like 150 rupees ).

Make sure all the old water/coolant is drained from the system before filling up. There are multiple write-ups on how to do this

Best of luck

[Thinking]

brother this doesn't mean that there will be decrease of -68 Degrees in car temperature. it means that this coolant remains flowable at -68 degrees temperature.

best combinition suggested is 50/50. however since u r satisfied with 2/3rd coolant u can stick with that. however usually 2/3rd combinition gives less coolant functionality in hot temperatures. if u want to have best results switch to 50-50 coolant. besides our cars need ethylene glycol based coolant. please do share the details what is KSF 12+

[Thinking]

Brother from this video it seems that increasing the coolant content in the mixture increases the boiling point, but another factor that we need to consider is the ability of the liquid to cool down in the radiator. more concentrated liquid might not take optimum time to cool down once its circulated between engine and radiator and also we need to consider the capability of water body to push the liquid in the engine. however the video is very informative. thanks for sharing.

[Xulfiqar]

2 parts LM and 1 part water (-68 C) which I went for; 3L LM and 1.5L water, total the car took in was 4.5L of radiator fluid

you just introduced a system to surely blow your headgasket.

66% concentration of coolant is required when you are drving in Siberia or other frozen deserts. If you drive with such coolant concentration in tropical area you will blow the headgasket as coolant itself doesnt cool down as good as water, that is why you have to use the 1:1 mix (aka 50% mix)

and please tell me you are joking when you "felt the fenders" and deduced the engine is running hot, then went ahead and made it run even hotter. LOL

[Xulfiqar]

but why were you "feeling the fenders"?

[Xulfiqar]

KFS12+ is basically a dexcool clone. Meaning its the same as the caltex/havoline stuff being sold there in Pakistan. Havoline/Caltex/Chevron invented the OAT coolant way back in the 80s/90s - their biggest purchaser General Motors had it slightly tweaked for themselves including the pretty orange dye. So, most dexclones are basically dexcool without the orange dye - instead the blenders add a fluorescent green dye to detect leaks with a black light.

GM still use that same dexcool coolant in their vehicles today.

[Xulfiqar]

what is the total coolant capacity of your vehicle? Its written in the owner manual.

[Xulfiqar]

I have added about 1L of water to it, it is now 3L coolant with 2.5L water, will add more water if there becomes any capacity in the reservoir tank,

I think you are a bit confused on the formula for adjusting concentration of a liquid in a fixed volume vessel. when you drain some coolant mix to add water, you also are draining out some coolant concentrate too. To get the right volume, you need to know the total capacity - then add how much you added , then figure out the total concentration.

e.g. if you added 66% charge to a 50% charge - you need to know the volumes of both to get the actual charge value - then you need to get to work adjusting it.

e.g. if your total charge comes out to 75% coolant concentration then each litre you drain of the mix means you drain out 750 ml of the concentrate too.

[Xulfiqar]

Follow the manual, total 6.5 would be correct. Sounds like your dealership are on drugs arbitrarily coming up with 4.5 litres.

[Thinking]

as per my experience all staff in all dealerships is just kids on daily wages with some basic training and basic technical diploma from any technical institute. i have vetted the same information from a technician with detailed interview.

you are right that reading the manual is important and following it accordingly is important too.

another important thing to consider that the glory is almost new car and it actually came with the right amount of coolant and water mix in its system from factory, local road side liqui moly and amsoil and kendal dealers have created a myth that these products are superior to any other product with proper certification rating mentioned like zic, kixx or atlas etc. i say its a way of looting people by selling them the same coolant at a much higher price.

anyways as jake pointed out above you need to be bit kinder. we all are not experts like u r. so conveying the same message in a humble manner helps and gets through better.