BYD | Dedicated Discussion | Owners / FanClub Thread

[pwuser167550015690]

Honestly, not all their suggestions sound bad at the face value. Government can probably concede a few and still let it be a net positive for the entire industry (and maybe) the consumers.

Something like a strict ban against all used car imports (specially JDM) even under the gift scheme loophole. Maybe limit it to one year old vehicles at max.

At the same time, reduce taxes back to previous levels before austerity measures and remove caps on leasing. For EVs, remove the ridiculous 50 kW tax so EVs actually get cheaper while removing registration fees.

Right now, we're in a market where Suzuki can't even profitably sell the likes of Cultus when there's next to no competition in that segment.

[alitayyab]

FBR is mulling allowing 5 years old car imports. While IMF is insistent to reduce protection for local auto industry by lowering import tarriffs...

[pwuser167550015690]

Lowering import tariffs for new cars should be fine in my layman opinion as long as there is a similar reduction in taxes on locally produced vehicles.

The main problem I was talking about was that entry level cars have become prohibitory expensive because of lack of competition. You have the Alto and basically nothing else so a lot of people with a budget around 4-5 million end up opting for used JDMs because they provide much better value. This obviously does hurt the industry and the economy.

The argument against this obviously is that none of the local manufacturers actually have established Kei or A-segment lines apart from Suzuki so Alto would continue to enjoy an even bigger monopoly unless EVs in this segment get subsidized to the point that they can compete with Alto on price, but that is very difficult given our economic condition.

Take the EV launched by Inverex as an example. I was looking into what it was based on a couple of weeks back and reverse image search matched it to this OEM EV from China that has various listings on Alibaba ranging from $6,000 (MOQ of 100+) to $10,000 depending on the variant.

These prices are before any shipping, duties and taxes that would be applied here so even the most barebones version quickly goes beyond what an Alto would cost without any government subsidies. To give good competition to the Alto, someone would have to come in with on on-road price 20-30% lower while offering better quality and features because the buyer in that segment isn't easily swayed by features either.

[mgalaxy3]

In a decades time, most of the cars will be EVs?

Ok let’s just say this post and pakwheels isn’t going anywhere.. can come back to it in a few years

It’s okay to be excited specially after buying an EV but also not lose track of reality..

I do WISH however that LFP batteries will get super cheap , they will come down a bit in prices for sure but not drop this much . Won’t mind it tho.

[pwuser172952586435]

In China more than 50% new sales are EVs. It will be the same in Europe for to regulatory pressure from decreasing emissions. Pakistanis took up CNG and solar faster than any nation on earth. They will do the same for EVs.

[mgalaxy3]

China market is completely different and most worldwide EV sales are there.. Elsewhere in the world it’s a very tiny percentage of overall car sales and will remain so, the trend is even reversing in big countries with large populations like US and Germany.

[pwuser172952586435]

Above article is about the UK

[pwuser172952586435]

Let me present the penetration vectors.

I personally know of several parties that are adding their EVs in taxi/ride hailing services. That means there will be a huge exposure. Their cost per mile will be a lot less and hence their bids will be lower and more cost effective in that saturated market. Most businesses will be giving cheaper charging to company EVs as EVs will use CSR, Marketing and actual benefit allocated budgets also. Due to solar, most with a small car need for school and home needs will find it easier to maintain. Many people around me are already using solar bikes for domestic workers and the trend is growing. US is different for Europe is very pro EV. Check stats from Northern European counties also.

[mgalaxy3]

Uk is one of those countries with not so bad EV sales. About 19% of overall. US still stuck at 7-8%. Sales in Pakistan are probably like 1%-2% now, let’s see where we are in 2030 I don’t see them at the point of “most” cars sold in Pak.

[pwuser172952586435]

Most new cars means 51%. Not big to achieve once they're is visibility due to taxis. E Tron set the tone from the Elites. Pakistanis are trend followers, things move fast. We have broken all records for moving to Solar, we did the same with CNG. Unlike CNG, solar is not running out.

[pwuser167550015690]

Let's not forget that Pakistan is the biggest adopter of Solar as well because it was significantly cheaper over the long run despite the upfront costs. All the government had to do was not create hurdles.

EVs are going to be the same as long as the government doesn't go out of its way to prevent that. It might seem initially that the infrastructure will be difficult to develop but once it gets going, there's going to be a snowball effect.

EV scooters are already extremely common around me in my area because almost every house is powered by solar. Getting a small EV is the next logical step for almost all of them for small chores.

[mgalaxy3]

Let’s see. Scooters and cars are different .
Right now the only viable EV is BYD Atto 3, that too limited to cities mostly because of range.

Rest is mostly all junk being launched specially under 5-6 million bracket. No big group committing either. Inverex just launched another junk.

By 2030 there will be more EV sales but “most cars” will be EVs I don’t believe will happen.

[AkbarGr8]

I think calling the inverex ev car junk is a bit extreme. We can call it overpriced, yes, but junk is taking it a bit too far.

I watched a video how it's manufactured in china, the automation is mindblowing.

Unfortunately we've as a nation been sold junk by the big 3 / 4 / 5 in the name of localization.

I just bought an Atto 3 - a month into using it, I can say without bias that my Honda City 2022 1.5 Aspire (i still own it) is a piece of junk considering how much it costs with barely any features and comforts of modern day cars.

[umer3611]

So can the new BYD / other EV owners share details of their home charging arrangements, specially those who have integrated it with their home solar setup.

Wouldnt it be better to install an after market 11KW charger (for future needs) rather than the BYD 7kw one?

Wouldnt getting the same brand EV charger as your inverter be a better call?

[AkbarGr8]

Atto 3 owner here with the 7kw byd charger. The max AC charging speeds that the atto supports is 7kw / single phase only. Getting a faster charger is of no use.

If you were to opt for a 3 phase charger, you'd need to buy a 21 or 22kw charger as it will provide approx 7kw per phase.

Have an ongrid solar setup, my charger is hooked up my main power breaker - if i charge during the solar, it is partially supported by solar as well. Hope this helps.

[mgalaxy3]

No doubt you will find many other cars inferior in front of Atto 3. It’s a good product!

Coming to inverex ev, apart from low build quality and ugly sabun daani shape, it has only one freaking airbag.. in 2025 and at 5.2 million rupees..

Need a solid mass selling EV under 3-4 million bracket to kickstart EV sales in Pak.

[AkbarGr8]

I've seen the Inverex EV car in person, surprisingly it's very well built with an excellent paint job, I'd say on par with the atto 3 and better than all local ckd paint jobs that I've seen.

The plastic used on the dashboard and door cards is a little cheap, otherwise it's on par with what we'd expect from a car of that class.

The 220 (mid tier) with 20kw battery is priced at 4M currently which I feel is the best option for now. I personally left them feedback that the 220 should not be more than 3.5M for the CBU.

[ifadey]

After Toyota plans to use BYD's DM-i for its PHEVs, they are now using BYD blade batteries in production EV models.

FAW-Toyota bZ5 with BYD Blade batteries rolled off production line

[pwuser167550015690]

I mentioned earlier in this thread that you can get the Lingbox EV from Alibaba (and other B2B platforms) starting at around $6,000 for a minimum order quantity of 100+ units. Inverex is probably getting it for cheaper assuming they have a distribution contract with Lingbox Auto themselves and are just not resellers like Gugo motors was for Dongfeng Box.

But let's assume they are getting it for $6,000 as well. That's almost PKR 1.7 million already in direct currency conversion in today's USD -> PKR rate. Now factor in freight charges (you can probably fit 4 in a single container), taxes and duties as well as indirect costs and some profit margin for Inverex and that price will very easily double.

If this car was available as a CKD that gets final assembly in Pakistan, there could be significant reductions in price. You could, for example fit a kits for 10s or 20s of these in that single container, significantly reducing the freight charges per unit. And also pay lower taxes and duties on parts.

But a (relatively) small company like Inverex isn't going to invest in a setup like that and this can only come from a more established player in the local market.

China is the world leader in EVs but even they can't magically make cheaper EVs so we shouldn't really expect Chinese imported CBU EV at the price of an Alto without significant incentives from our government. That's just simply not possible economically.

[muhammad.musa.151515]

Aoa... I am looking to buy some stock of hubco/byd, I have a few questions for the owners of byd
How was the experience buying your car did you receive it on time?
How is the experience with your car any faults yet?
Would you recommend it to a someone else?
Does anyone have a picture or any proof of how much or if the plant is being made?