Car Care and Detailing Dreams

[vague_one]

topic made sticky

JazakAllah BRO! JazakAllah!!! MashAllah people,congrats to all the detailers out there to have made this thread a success!!!! ITS ALL BECAUSE OF YOU! Pat for each one of you

[vague_one]

Had a great time with my brother @vague.
Thanks for the visit, though it was short because of me as I need to visit some friends for dinner ,but still worth spending , bohat maza aiyaa
discussed lot of things , regarding every thing.
JazakAllah for coming all the way up to Bahria Town

Yes sir.......JazakAllah for having us over....such a pleasure!!!

[khurum]

@ vag g maat wrapp pics u asked for

[star2]

@vague

soye nai tum abhi Kia kar rahey ho is time ???

I'll be there in the meet. if it is not in the parking lot....o bhai, har bandey ko dangi huwa para hey, khuda khaufi karo, parking lot mein waiesy hi barey machar hotey hein lol.

Give me microfiber of McGuires, jaldi jaldi jaldi

[khurum]

[vague_one]

Khanai shuru hui idher say

usman bhai any update on that thing? did he call yet?

Jee Safdar sahab, its with me..........Ill hand it to star when he comes over an you can take it from him...JazakAllah bro

dont give it to him, ill collect it myself soon.

Can I ask why am i being discussed with margallar ??? plz.

bas yar ap sai milne ka bahana. mai gtg pe na le loon?

Kahani thi yeh

No you may not ask.........chup kar kay bethay raho............ Margallar sahab wanted me to pick some small cf paper from @Shazo, so I collected it from @shazo an then @margallar wanted me to hand it to you an hed collect it from your place, but now do to some incident he wants me to keep it an hell collect it from me himself.........jaleebi story man! Enjoy!!!

and i say to the great detailing massi that show me a pic of the cf. it wud help me wait

aur end hua yuh

usman bhai and lahori just paid me a visit and gave me the cf sheet. too bad my homies (anti car guys) had just arrived a minute before. so we just had a mini meed inside usman bhai's car. soory about the soiled mat usman bhai.

@ accord thx
@margallla g cf sheet wow g wow
usman bhai humy bhe tu daydoo thre se

So sorry get in touch with @shazzo for your sheet!!!

[vague_one]

@vague

soye nai tum abhi Kia kar rahey ho is time ???

I'll be there in the meet. if it is not in the parking lot....o bhai, har bandey ko dangi huwa para hey, khuda khaufi karo, parking lot mein waiesy hi barey machar hotey hein lol.

Give me microfiber of McGuires, jaldi jaldi jaldi

ooo khuda kay banday MCGUIRES kay spelling hi theek kar lay:'(

[khurum]

[vague_one]

@ Khurum, just realised we could have done the same to star`s ride..............very cool results......MashaAllah......from nowhere can you tell the car was white........such a cool concept, glad to know people here in Pakistan are also uping their game!!!Look out west coast, look out foose............Pakistan is on the loose!!!! @khurum......please share the cost an time an material.......anythin else we can do with our ride???

[star2]

@ Khurum, just realised we could have done the same to star`s ride..............very cool results......MashaAllah......from nowhere can you tell the car was white........such a cool concept, glad to know people here in Pakistan are also uping their game!!!Look out west coast, look out foose............Pakistan is on the loose!!!! @khurum......please share the cost an time an material.......anythin else we can do with our ride???

haan g paint par to loog lines daal jatey hein na, is par kia dalein gey batao saari ki saari sheet hi utar kar hath mein aa jaye gi lol. Only good for owners having a garage and using their cars in premium facilities/roads, etc. not for daily drivers i think.

[vague_one]

haan g paint par to loog lines daal jatey hein na, is par kia dalein gey batao saari ki saari sheet hi utar kar hath mein aa jaye gi lol. Only good for owners having a garage and using their cars in premium facilities/roads, etc. not for daily drivers i think.

Nahin yar, Ive seen a lot of cars here in Lahore with this going on, civic,cultus,corolla, to name a few I`ve seen wrapped, but thing here is they were all done in poor quality paper....the one here in the pics really makes the car stand out.............an Mustafeez, people here take off side mirrors for selling, tyres, emblens............heck even total cars get stolen........what what will you protect? Just have faith in Allah, kuch nai hota!Jeyo meray Pakistan!

[vague_one]

Okay we were to hear results from Devil_slayer for the meg gold class, where is that?? Nomi_929 was on the orbital an power washer....what about that sir? Speedster_101 your mf experience??

[margallar]

usman bhai plz check this out and tell me if we shud do this after eid.
http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Restoring+Single+Stage+Paint%3A+Part+1-65310.xhtml
this is where i got that idea.

[margallar]

paid a visit to devilz apprentice. he said respray straight away. i said ill do something similar to what has been done to star's car. without the buffers of course.

[vague_one]

Margallar, bro your cars paint is just about to let go of its grip with the primer......the trunk has visible primer through it all around........an you dont want to go for a repaint cuz it will decrease according to you atleast 50k on the cars market value.....why are you after your own car?? Meray Bhai jitna paint hai us ko preserve karo wax laga laga kar, treatment kar kay bachay huay paint ko bhi mat utaro.....any treatment of paint involves gettin beneath the clear coat....which you despite my suggestion dont believe your car has......pyaray if yer car came without a clear coat youd have no paint left after the 16 or 17 years the cars been with you............stars sunny has two burnt paint spots on his roof, reason if you ask is......the same as yours............the paint was soo thin, on the very first touch of the rotary the roofs paint let go.......so I just did the roof at a mere 2k rpm.......anybody at the first gtg, liek @tayyab, like @star like @devilz_spprentice will acknowledge I wasnt using the rotary at more than 3k rpm, simply cuz of the paint condition.....then a Dharalla detailer came along an went beserk with the rotary at 5k rpm............If you are ready to issue us a disclaimer, Ill be more than happy to have a go at yer cars paint...........but my brotherly advice an suggestion is go get a premium brand wax, an apply it like mad a couple of times.......then keep this practice a weekly ritual...........or keep around 30k for the repaint an 50k for the deprecation value in yer pocket an Ill hand you the rotary myself.......please yerself with it!

[vague_one]

Yer applyin a clay bar after a wax?? Then why wax in the first place? Clay bar will dewax your car alongwith taking out contaminants............so the process here is wash an then clay bar.....

take a look at most single stage paints today. they are totally dry due to neglect. ive had an instance that i started to shampoo a car in such state and it made that sound that u get when u mix some powder in water. now imagine what a clay bar would do to such rough paint. it would literally tear it away. it is as a precaution. single stage paints are already sensitive and the fact that it is pakistani quality doesnt make it any better. this is what im talking abt


Any oil enriched product will enhance the result......but glazing after clay is ok

the product i am using is indeed oil enriched as you can see in one of the above posts, more than most of the other stuff. the point is that at this point all the contaminants are gone and doing it will yield the best result. there is also another reason we want more oil inside the paint. that is to reduce the amount of paint that comes off when we apply cleaner wax.

you didnt seal the paint with glaze, you just hid the swirls an put shine on the paint,you seal the paint always with a wax or a sealant..........cleaner wax contains mild polish which will once again attack the wax........re-seal with regular wax? Thats not a good choice, seal with a synthetic wax or a sealant for longer duration capability...

a few pages back tayyab said that they contain micro abrasives. i dont think the clay bar will take all the oxidized paint off, this is why cleaner wax is used. it will remove oxidization but in very thin layers. i believe a compound would remove too much. so much primer wasnt exposed on my car's trunk until it was compounded. the policy is to remove less and achieve more. if you remove so much paint then if you have to repeat this process after a year or two what will you work on? Primer? u need to be more gentle wid single stage

as for the synthetic wax, i havent used it yet and am not aware how non clear coated paint responds to it. i wont recommend anything before using it.

this should have cleard yer train of thought......if not let me come back after Juma an with tassalli I`ll answer all of yer answers........

Safdar let me clear you few things.

how about using it after claying a waxed car. and then reapplying wax after using meiguars #7. id prefer doing it by hand as i dont have a buffer and nor does my car support its use. read my reply on restoring single stage paint and ull see what i intend to do

Dear you cannot claybar a waxed car.How can you? For claying the car should be washed to remove loose dirt.Forget about single stage or clear coat paint.No matter how rough the surface is.You cannot claybar on a waxed car.Reason : Waxing the car masks the bonded contaminants on it.If the surface is too rough, you just need to increase the quantity of detailer spray on both the claybar and panel you are working to ensure it produces no friction.Secondly, you can use the M07 alone, there is no harm but there is neither any benefit.Show Car Glaze is used to enhance the finish you get after correcting the paint with an abrasive polish.It's a pure polish which means it has no abrasives at all.So, using it alone will do nothing.

If you are using Cleaner Wax you need to apply it first and then seal the finish with a wax.Using wax in the first place and Cleaner Wax after it will dewax your car because Cleaner Waxes are used to remove surface contaminants.Although wax isn't a contaminant but since it is above the surface, so it will be removed.

devil there is lacquer but it is not on the paint surface rather it is inside it.

This is by far the most interesting post in this thread........Bro you just made my day with this......this technology you have mentioned.....jaddeed !!!!

paid a visit to devilz apprentice. he said respray straight away. i said ill do something similar to what has been done to star's car. without the buffers of course.

meray bhai the amount of paint filling you have to do an the amount of sanding an correction needed afterwards will make your paint appear fishy to a buyer.......then again here your market value jargon comes into play an youll suffer a 50k loss if anyone simply does "thak thak" on yer panel with his hands an declares "ustad jee aay tay paint higa aay".....but like I said before if you are willing to issue a disclaimer Ill help you out,I`ll also assure you of the utmost care on my behalf, but when yer trunks edge is all yellow an yer car is red........dont expect miracles!!!

[margallar]

this should have cleard yer train of thought......if not let me come back after Juma an with tassalli I`ll answer all of yer answers........

This is by far the most interesting post in this thread........Bro you just made my day with this......this technology you have mentioned.....jaddeed !!!!

meray bhai the amount of paint filling you have to do an the amount of sanding an correction needed afterwards will make your paint appear fishy to a buyer.......then again here your market value jargon comes into play an youll suffer a 50k loss if anyone simply does "thak thak" on yer panel with his hands an declares "ustad jee aay tay paint higa aay".....but like I said before if you are willing to issue a disclaimer Ill help you out,I`ll also assure you of the utmost care on my behalf, but when yer trunks edge is all yellow an yer car is red........dont expect miracles!!!

bhai i dont want to do anything to the trunk. just get the overspray removed and paint polished or treated with light cleaner wax and then the same qalam therapy. just that we wont be able to use that buffing machine all of it will be by hand.

[margallar]

Margallar, bro your cars paint is just about to let go of its grip with the primer......the trunk has visible primer through it all around........an you dont want to go for a repaint cuz it will decrease according to you atleast 50k on the cars market value.....why are you after your own car?? Meray Bhai jitna paint hai us ko preserve karo wax laga laga kar, treatment kar kay bachay huay paint ko bhi mat utaro.....any treatment of paint involves gettin beneath the clear coat....which you despite my suggestion dont believe your car has......pyaray if yer car came without a clear coat youd have no paint left after the 16 or 17 years the cars been with you............stars sunny has two burnt paint spots on his roof, reason if you ask is......the same as yours............the paint was soo thin, on the very first touch of the rotary the roofs paint let go.......so I just did the roof at a mere 2k rpm.......anybody at the first gtg, liek @tayyab, like @star like @devilz_spprentice will acknowledge I wasnt using the rotary at more than 3k rpm, simply cuz of the paint condition.....then a Dharalla detailer came along an went beserk with the rotary at 5k rpm............If you are ready to issue us a disclaimer, Ill be more than happy to have a go at yer cars paint...........but my brotherly advice an suggestion is go get a premium brand wax, an apply it like mad a couple of times.......then keep this practice a weekly ritual...........or keep around 30k for the repaint an 50k for the deprecation value in yer pocket an Ill hand you the rotary myself.......please yerself with it!

sure recommend me the wax and can we still clay?

[khurum]

@vague g thx for ur support n comments bro ur rite this 1 lukks goods coz applied by the experts and this sheet is costly its from germany i will pm u the cost coz of some memebers who just logon to irrittate me
n bhaiii g apnay tu pore story likh daliii on that cf mainy tu aisay he bola tha bhai mazak mai n waiting for your comment on prado cf
@ margalllla g kalay sheshhay kark andar 1 gun walA Chokidar rakha hay aisae gario waloo nay khi mai haha

[vague_one]

Yer applyin a clay bar after a wax?? Then why wax in the first place? Clay bar will dewax your car alongwith taking out contaminants............so the process here is wash an then clay bar.....

take a look at most single stage paints today. they are totally dry due to neglect. ive had an instance that i started to shampoo a car in such state and it made that sound that u get when u mix some powder in water. now imagine what a clay bar would do to such rough paint. it would literally tear it away. it is as a precaution. single stage paints are already sensitive and the fact that it is pakistani quality doesnt make it any better. this is what im talking abt

neglect is on behalf of the owner, youll have to shape up on that...I really did mix powder in water an it was silent....what noise are you talking about? If you are talking about the friction noise caused by over spray, then clay bar will only remove the over spray an not the paint......they are paint an clearcoat safe....dont worry about that....to make life easier for you, think of claybar like a magnet rather than an rubbing compound......my concern on claying after wax, you wax a surface, then dewax it by claying.......whats the gain?? youll just end up using more claying lube, puttin in more effort........again in simple terms for you, you put on a layer of wax on the contaminants, then take off that layer along with the contaminants with claybar....why?....just clay the contaminants off after the wash!!......Claybar has to be used with lube......if you use claybar without lube on any paint itll give you nightmares for as long as you live.........I'm pretty sure your cars paint doesnt look like the trucks paint pictured above....besides the trucks got paint on it, the edges are all good...yer paints condition is somthin else.....the primers peeking out everywhere......so quit puttin yerself in a turmoil over it!!! You play with that paint it`ll bite back....an you wont be happy then....

Any oil enriched product will enhance the result......but glazing after clay is ok

the product i am using is indeed oil enriched as you can see in one of the above posts, more than most of the other stuff. the point is that at this point all the contaminants are gone and doing it will yield the best result. there is also another reason we want more oil inside the paint. that is to reduce the amount of paint that comes off when we apply cleaner wax.

You want more oil inside the paint to reduce the amount of paint that comes off with cleaner wax?? How will more oil stop paint from coming off?? Bro what image are you conjouring in yer mind about micro abrasives?? Cleaner wax wont take yer paint off by the litres or colour your pad red in a couple of strokes......it`ll remove just a teensy weeensy amount, an if you do it light handed you wont even get colour on your pad.......

you didnt seal the paint with glaze, you just hid the swirls an put shine on the paint,you seal the paint always with a wax or a sealant..........cleaner wax contains mild polish which will once again attack the wax........re-seal with regular wax? Thats not a good choice, seal with a synthetic wax or a sealant for longer duration capability...

a few pages back tayyab said that they contain micro abrasives. i dont think the clay bar will take all the oxidized paint off, this is why cleaner wax is used. it will remove oxidization but in very thin layers. i believe a compound would remove too much. so much primer wasnt exposed on my car's trunk until it was compounded. the policy is to remove less and achieve more. if you remove so much paint then if you have to repeat this process after a year or two what will you work on? Primer? u need to be more gentle wid single stage

Clay bar is not agressive enough to remove oxidation at all,it may appear to "remove" some oxidation, but only the very top portion which has become completely detached from the actual paint surface. See "oxidation" in dictionary, the breaking apart of the molecular bond, etc, etc. You may wipe an "oil" type product on the surface to create an optical illusion of removing oxidations, but once the oils evaporate, the condition is still evident. (I.E, think of women's make-up)There are two ways to remove oxidation short of sanding and repainting,either to "chemically" remove the majority and then do a light polishing with a rotary buffer, correct pad, product or use an agressive compound, cutting pad and abrade it from the surface, followed by polishing with a correct polishing pad and polishing product.Hope you are satisfied now brother....if you still have some trouble, your more than welcome to come back an ask.............

as for the synthetic wax, i havent used it yet and am not aware how non clear coated paint responds to it. i wont recommend anything before using it.

Come on now, this isnt fair.........you`ve used cleaner waxes, an clay bars an all that stuff you just recommended we use with yer car ?? Banda ban jaaa Safdar!!!