Car Care and Detailing Dreams

[vague_one]

MASHALLAH....many congrats on this achievement usman bhai.....JAZAKALLAH

JazakAllah bro........like I always say its everyones effort.....you people put in your questions an interaction an make the thread what it is.......Aloota people have sent me hate mails that I made them get off their tushies an work on their cars....so I guess, the shine game is on!!! Get those cars blingin people!!!!

[Mistero]

for the record, I am one of those who sent a hate mail to V1.

V1...boss man...couldn't help it as mentioned to you earlier I am a clean car freak and this is the first time I am experiencing a black car...will be going shopping for the main arsenal over the weekend...but still ended up making a dash to the local select to get my hands on anything decent I could find on the afternoon of Eid Day 1. (yup didn't get that gosht hissa till late evening and got a big fat danda from the mrs.)...since you had slapped me on the wrist for using that dry cloth or using the pump, I just had to somehow get rid of that accumulating dust on the car...and just a wet cloth was not an option...:mad:

So I got three products which I thought could be part of the arsenal (not the main guns though) (select has limited turtle wax stuff), but one product I had to try on immediately and that was a spray on WAX Enhancer...

So with a water spray bottle in one hand and a damp cloth in the other, first the dust was cleaned off and then panel by panel the Wax enhancer was applied and removed...and the result was pretty good...ofcourse a lot of comedy of errors happened as it was my first self buffing and wiping job including getting up after spending quite sometime in a KHUDDI position and realizing that you can't get up and when you finally do get up (after enough noises coming from various parts of the body that would put a 3 year non serviced car to shame) and then realizing that now that you are standing, you can't go back into that khuddi position because your knees are locked and you've left your calves (not the qurbani kind but the ones you walk on) a mile down below...

Not to mention that once a side was done, a gentleman efficiently walked in with a whole bale of crushed hay (cow meal) and before one could say holy crap, there were a gazellion strands of loose dried grass in the atmosphere all floating gently towards my nice and gleaming hard worked upon surface....i have never shouted so rudely and loudly on a stranger before...

Infact in the reflection you can actually see that hay all over the ground...

Now I can stop here and let everyone admire as to how brilliantly I brought out the mirror like surface with my first self detailing (sorta detailing) job but no...I have to point out the mistakes I made (newbie ones ofcourse)...

As pointed out in the wonderful 'diamond in the rough' post by V1 (I wish it would have been posted a couple of hours earlier)...I spent 70% of the time on one side and 30% on the other which means my cleaning up wasn't that great on the other side (this I noticed later when I took her out) and I was never able to give it that final wipe. Well I would like to share the blame here...first of all, the light wasn't good on the other side, so I could not actually judge how good or bad a job I was doing (have yet to gain that experience...but now I have some rough idea) plus the danda I was talking about given to me by the mrs for delaying the gosht ka hissa...well came around maghrib when I was working on the other side and trust me it is very hard to wipe the car when you....well you get the idea...and oh by the way I couldn't do the roof, bonnet and the bumpers...had to go get that hissa.

Decided to leave those as it is (by the way for the record, had the car washed and waxed only on Saturday and I did this post wax thingy on Monday) and this product makes a difference, I can see the difference in the panels I worked upon and the other parts which I left out. Furthermore, I got the car cleaned with a wet cloth on Tuesday morning and the car till Wednesday (today) had only collected minor dust...which is good, infact till you touched it, you could not even tell there is dust on it. Ofcourse right now there is quite a bit of dust on it as we covered almost half the city in it this evening.

So lessons learned...and I am looking forward to the actual detailing session soon and it's going to be a 5 stage one...More then my accomplishments, I guess I would be more inclined to share my mistakes, I guess that's how I will learn and maybe others will gain from it as well...but hopefully won't be making any GRAVE ones...don't wanna spoil my ride and wouldn't be initially using any professional tools (as advised by V1) such as the rotor which I don't have the experience of.

Oh and for all newbies like me...please use a MF cloth...I have yet to get my sets, and I know how hard I had to work and yet I could tell that some residue is there (finger print marks and smudges)... I know it's a sin but till MF is procured, I have to use a soft cloth but no more detailing till I get the MF. There is no swirling on the car yet.

[vague_one]

for the record, I am one of those who sent a hate mail to V1.

V1...boss man...couldn't help it as mentioned to you earlier I am a clean car freak and this is the first time I am experiencing a black car...will be going shopping for the main arsenal over the weekend...but still ended up making a dash to the local select to get my hands on anything decent I could find on the afternoon of Eid Day 1. (yup didn't get that gosht hissa till late evening and got a big fat danda from the mrs.)...since you had slapped me on the wrist for using that dry cloth or using the pump, I just had to somehow get rid of that accumulating dust on the car...and just a wet cloth was not an option...:mad:

So I got three products which I thought could be part of the arsenal (not the main guns though) (select has limited turtle wax stuff), but one product I had to try on immediately and that was a spray on WAX Enhancer...

So with a water spray bottle in one hand and a damp cloth in the other, first the dust was cleaned off and then panel by panel the Wax enhancer was applied and removed...and the result was pretty good...ofcourse a lot of comedy of errors happened as it was my first self buffing and wiping job including getting up after spending quite sometime in a KHUDDI position and realizing that you can't get up and when you finally do get up (after enough noises coming from various parts of the body that would put a 3 year non serviced car to shame) and then realizing that now that you are standing, you can't go back into that khuddi position because your knees are locked and you've left your calves (not the qurbani kind but the ones you walk on) a mile down below...

Not to mention that once a side was done, a gentleman efficiently walked in with a whole bale of crushed hay (cow meal) and before one could say holy crap, there were a gazellion strands of loose dried grass in the atmosphere all floating gently towards my nice and gleaming hard worked upon surface....i have never shouted so rudely and loudly on a stranger before...

Infact in the reflection you can actually see that hay all over the ground...

Now I can stop here and let everyone admire as to how brilliantly I brought out the mirror like surface with my first self detailing (sorta detailing) job but no...I have to point out the mistakes I made (newbie ones ofcourse)...

As pointed out in the wonderful 'diamond in the rough' post by V1 (I wish it would have been posted a couple of hours earlier)...I spent 70% of the time on one side and 30% on the other which means my cleaning up wasn't that great on the other side (this I noticed later when I took her out) and I was never able to give it that final wipe. Well I would like to share the blame here...first of all, the light wasn't good on the other side, so I could not actually judge how good or bad a job I was doing (have yet to gain that experience...but now I have some rough idea) plus the danda I was talking about given to me by the mrs for delaying the gosht ka hissa...well came around maghrib when I was working on the other side and trust me it is very hard to wipe the car when you....well you get the idea...and oh by the way I couldn't do the roof, bonnet and the bumpers...had to go get that hissa.

Decided to leave those as it is (by the way for the record, had the car washed and waxed only on Saturday and I did this post wax thingy on Monday) and this product makes a difference, I can see the difference in the panels I worked upon and the other parts which I left out. Furthermore, I got the car cleaned with a wet cloth on Tuesday morning and the car till Wednesday (today) had only collected minor dust...which is good, infact till you touched it, you could not even tell there is dust on it. Ofcourse right now there is quite a bit of dust on it as we covered almost half the city in it this evening.

So lessons learned...and I am looking forward to the actual detailing session soon and it's going to be a 5 stage one...More then my accomplishments, I guess I would be more inclined to share my mistakes, I guess that's how I will learn and maybe others will gain from it as well...but hopefully won't be making any GRAVE ones...don't wanna spoil my ride and wouldn't be initially using any professional tools (as advised by V1) such as the rotor which I don't have the experience of.

Oh and for all newbies like me...please use a MF cloth...I have yet to get my sets, and I know how hard I had to work and yet I could tell that some residue is there (finger print marks and smudges)... I know it's a sin but till MF is procured, I have to use a soft cloth but no more detailing till I get the MF. There is no swirling on the car yet.

MashaAllah a heck of a post.....Sir, thats a whale of a job to pull off on a black honda civic reborn, esp considering the fact that some of the guys here have issues with mild orange peel coming factory defect......I suggest you use the slow an steady approach to detailing.....what you have found from the select shop is good stuff....the big orange is a big time fav with me, i use it to do waterless cleaning of the paint, plastic, rubber, kabillions of uses.......the reason I urge people to go for quality prods is solely the long term results.....take two identical cars, use megs gold class or dodo juice on one an on the other use cosmic or formula 1..........bet my detailing time spent that after a couple of months if you park the two rides together again therell be a significant difference in the texture, the depth, the colour of the paints......sir if you heed my advice, you mentioned the car is new, use a high end wax, a no wax removing shampoo, an some good mf`s......nothing else needed.....you wont need to clay till atleast a good 6 months or so....neither polish it.....wax it weekly, using micro thin layer of wax.....should be nearly invisible, easy on easy off......I really dont get people what people fancy when they use "THOPPA" technology for waxing.....you just use more wax, the paint bonds only from the contact surface, the excess residue is a pain in the **** to remove....they only create difficulties for themselves....really really love your self assessment part sir, an ouch on the godday an gittay......I had an incident while riding a superbike, a 1000cc monster that I had nagged my parents for when I had finished my Hifz........the following equation will explain the whole scenario (girls + speedbreaker + wheelie + 80Mph) = (ooops + ouch + black out + bike confistication + back ache for the rest of yer life).............everytime I do an engine bay, the Mrs. prepares the hot bottle........smart woman.......an good call on the mf....lets keep that ride swirl free....tally hoo!!!

[Mistero]

thanks V1...you know...with every post I am learning something new.

Gr8 to know that you are using Big Orange. Didn't try it yet because of little instruction on the back label...Apply directly on all surfaces blah blah blah...on PAINTWORK apply with wet cloth...this has got me a little confused. Do I apply directly and wipe it with a wet cloth or do I spray it on a damp cloth first and then apply it on the car surface or is it referring to some totally other kind of Paintwork.

On the MF thingy...lemme share something worth a laugh...back when I was really sweating it out and cleaning my own cars, we used to refer to the good car cleaning cloth as a Lint free cloth, so the whole time when I was reading the thread I just kept asking myself as to why the hell is everybody calling the cloth an MF (Mother f**ing cloth)...it wasn't till I googled and found out the MF was actually a Micro Fibre cloth...

Oh and I plan to take things slowly, you know not get lost in the excitement and then realize it is too hectic to continue. Build the enjoyment and slowly get your routine into a routine. The vision is to eventually get inside the engine but that will have to wait a long time and ofcourse some expert supervision but for the next year or so I am not even lifting the hood for detailing purposes...I'll let Honda tackle it.

[Mistero]

I had an incident while riding a superbike, a 1000cc monster that I had nagged my parents for when I had finished my Hifz........the following equation will explain the whole scenario (girls + speedbreaker + wheelie + 80Mph) = (ooops + ouch + black out + bike confistication + back ache for the rest of yer life).............

Well I can understand your pain here...well actually not the falling part but the confiscation part...I too had nagged my parents for this bike I was in love with (Kawasaki KE 175) when I (the black sheep of the family who was never going to amount to anything kind of repo) got into one of the best business schools here (hehehe that school suddenly lost a lot of repo within my family) and a friend of mine (I masha allah say never crashed it) crashed it with almost a similar equation as yours and still carries the scars on his face today almost 19 years later...I didn't even get a one last ride on it...man I miss my bike

[rockk]

Yes my brother, its true.....I was supposed to be there second day of Eid, but one of my relatives is very sick here an we had to stay back for him, the Sialkot guys came here for eid, need not despair, I have to come at all costs to attend a wedding on this weekend in Sialkot......so InshAllah will be there this Saturday an Sunday....Hassan smile boy, yer rides gona get some tlc vague style.......lets have a detailers meet for the Sialkot chapter....what say ??? Hassan you listening ?? An no smokey burnouts young man!!

ok bro...then i will w8 for ur arrival in skt ths wekend....Turtle gloss is thr but w8ing for some genius hands to use it so im w8ing for tht time..yar willl plan for the detailng chaptr will hassan and willl update u bcz we need to find the detailing crazy members in skt..

[vague_one]

thanks V1...you know...with every post I am learning something new.

Gr8 to know that you are using Big Orange. Didn't try it yet because of little instruction on the back label...Apply directly on all surfaces blah blah blah...on PAINTWORK apply with wet cloth...this has got me a little confused. Do I apply directly and wipe it with a wet cloth or do I spray it on a damp cloth first and then apply it on the car surface or is it referring to some totally other kind of Paintwork.

On the MF thingy...lemme share something worth a laugh...back when I was really sweating it out and cleaning my own cars, we used to refer to the good car cleaning cloth as a Lint free cloth, so the whole time when I was reading the thread I just kept asking myself as to why the hell is everybody calling the cloth an MF (Mother f**ing cloth)...it wasn't till I googled and found out the MF was actually a Micro Fibre cloth...

Oh and I plan to take things slowly, you know not get lost in the excitement and then realize it is too hectic to continue. Build the enjoyment and slowly get your routine into a routine. The vision is to eventually get inside the engine but that will have to wait a long time and ofcourse some expert supervision but for the next year or so I am not even lifting the hood for detailing purposes...I'll let Honda tackle it.

Ahhhhhh, the detailin gods are smillin!! Finally someone who reads an then uses stuff........yes my man, yer supposed to spray the big ornage onto the damp cloth an then use it for paint work, though just rarely.....its an APC (let me get this one, before you make some wierd interpretation of this as well, its ALL PURPOSE CLEANER) an quite strong, will tend to do a wee bit ov dewaxing........as far as the MF story , thats quite some creative vocab you got there ....khuda ko maan !!! Good luck on gettin inside the engine...I`m happy just gettin under the bonnett, ambitious arent we??

[imranhakro]

My effort on last Saturday (H)

[imranhakro]

[imranhakro]

Soon after i was done, and taking pics for you guys, a crow did this :mad:
At This time i wished i drink red bull and get wings

[margallar]

^drone hamla hahahahahahaha

[vague_one]

@ imran, nice results bro....this is the third clean alto I have seen that has managed to show such a different shine.........man suzuki people should be comin to you guys for mufeed mashwaray regarding their paint results.....oh an for the record the cleanest Alto here belongs to Mr.Tayyab Ch, the second one to Devilz_apprentice an now yer up.....lets see what yer ride looks like down the line in a couple of years....!!!

[vague_one]

People, theres a lil thing that has started to worry me recently.......I was literally to see the amount of new prods that have come into the market these days, an upon a lil research it seems a loooooot of people have been going to markets an asking for various detailing supplies......well atleast in Lahore........now before I go an rant about it, seems the detailing scene is ON to a considerable extent, my only advice to you people is use reliable products......dealerships hardly have any research on detailing, they are just quick to cash in on frenzys.......an seems the shine frenzy is on these days........theyve got their containers of crap to sell, an sadly that too at the hands of a goof who prolly cant tell a wax from a palash.......let alone guide on [IMG]http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/buffer.gif[/IMG]..........if your in doubt.....please do come an ask, weve discussed a fake meg cleaner wax here, god knows turtle is prolly 10 number at most places by now, sooo keep a clean and trusted source, your eyes open....an keep that shine going!!!

[AK471]

People, theres a lil thing that has started to worry me recently.......I was literally to see the amount of new prods that have come into the market these days, an upon a lil research it seems a loooooot of people have been going to markets an asking for various detailing supplies......well atleast in Lahore........now before I go an rant about it, seems the detailing scene is ON to a considerable extent, my only advice to you people is use reliable products......dealerships hardly have any research on detailing, they are just quick to cash in on frenzys.......an seems the shine frenzy is on these days........theyve got their containers of crap to sell, an sadly that too at the hands of a goof who prolly cant tell a wax from a palash.......let alone guide on [IMG]http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/buffer.gif[/IMG]..........if your in doubt.....please do come an ask, weve discussed a fake meg cleaner wax here, god knows turtle is prolly 10 number at most places by now, sooo keep a clean and trusted source, your eyes open....an keep that shine going!!!

Appreciated advice. Thanks. Not to over-burden your good self, but I've been thinking since long to ask you - in the chaotic turmoil of all these products - if you kindly, and at best convenience, could list down a couple of "packages" recommended for best results in detailing, so one could chose according to ones available budget/requirement/vehicle from a range of recommended products. Just 3-5 standard packages would suffice us and each package should consist of following 2-3 things to be used in combination with each other for the great shine:

1) Pre-wax cleaner (optional)

2) Detailer/ shine enchancer

3) Carnauba Wax

I suppose only last 2 items will be widely used, since cleaning is only done occasionally, yet still do kindly suggest at least 1 good cleaner that could be standard in all packages. As for the remaining 2 items, I'd appreciate if you could take the trouble and combine a couple of things in following segments:

Rs. 1000-1500

Rs. 1500-3000

Rs. 3000-5000

Rs. 5000 +

The packages may exclude the pre-wax cleaner and only consist of other 2 combo items. 1 good suggestion for a prewax cleaner for new/old/soft/hard paint would however be appreciated.

Products should be those that you personally would have preferred to have/use within the ranges.

For the swirls, I trust Swirlx is the most recommended, so let's stick to this, if need be, in addition to above packages, so consider it an extra only, as the pre-wax cleaner.

Similarly, the optional top off with something synthetic may be excluded from the packages, though a good one here would be nice to have suggested.

You may structure a chart according to your own ranges even, I just mentioned some examples.

Hope this isn't too much to ask for at the end of Eid, I know the "hang-over" from all the meat, fats and barbeques may still be lingering on, lol!

Regards.

[shozi123]

My effort nothing special F1 scratch out and cosmic wax

[AsFand26]

AOA guys
hope all ov you are doing well
the thread as always has been great and I have been a silent observer of this thread since the very beginning!
Just required a lil advise
i washed and waxed my swift last saturday.
i used megs ultimate wash n wax, mothers carnauba and turtle ice wax as LSP.
my car got a lil dirty in rain so i washed it with megs wash n wax today.
the shine is as it was before but the feeling on paint has gone a bit rough.
the feeling is not the just waxed one.
so my queston is that should I re-wax my car or should I wait fo some time cause i already applied two layers less than a week ago?
Or should i apply the soft99 wax just to get the feeling back if i dont want to use the expensive ones so soon again?

[mani1]

AOA guys
hope all ov you are doing well
the thread as always has been great and I have been a silent observer of this thread since the very beginning!
Just required a lil advise
i washed and waxed my swift last saturday.
i used megs ultimate wash n wax, mothers carnauba and turtle ice wax as LSP.
my car got a lil dirty in rain so i washed it with megs wash n wax today.
the shine is as it was before but the feeling on paint has gone a bit rough.
the feeling is not the just waxed one.
so my queston is that should I re-wax my car or should I wait fo some time cause i already applied two layers less than a week ago?
Or should i apply the soft99 wax just to get the feeling back if i dont want to use the expensive ones so soon again?

My experience shows that Mothers Carnauba wax does not leaves that 'slick/slippery just waxed feeling'. The only Mothers products that do leave that slick/slippery look are the Synwax and reflections advanced wax.

I would not use Turtle Ice wax after Mothers CW. TBH i dont even know what it is but if its a synthetic wax, it should be used before you apply the carnauba and not the other way around.

As far as Mothers Carnauba wax is concerned, its a great wax which leaves a very deep and wet look BUT your paint must be properly prepped and corrected. A simple application wont do you any good as it would hardly last 3-4 days and minor paint imperfections etc would still be there

[vague_one]

Just got back from Dr.Shaggy`s place.........the doc wasnt pleased with the engine, sorta didnt go with the shine on the exterior.....out came the pre-soak an the brushes.....an in went some elbow grease....I think it never was detailed......ever......just like every dentist who eggs you into saying "AAAAAAA" an then regrets it when he sees the kachra condition inside.........I was no different......presenting the before pics

[DrShaggy]

Just got back from Dr.Shaggy`s place.........the doc wasnt pleased with the engine, sorta didnt go with the shine on the exterior.....out came the pre-soak an the brushes.....an in went some elbow grease....I think it never was detailed......ever......just like every dentist who eggs you into saying "AAAAAAA" an then regrets it when he sees the kachra condition inside.........I was no different......presenting the before pics

Thanks for the dental scaling doc vague
Yes, it was never detailed before, thus a distress call was sent to you

[vague_one]