Civic EG - SiR-T Swap

[Deadly_Flame]

Im running a stock P30 (B16A) basemap on a chipped P08 at the moment, its running lean imo, avoiding to drive in this situation and if I get any chance to drive Im not letting go the RPMs above 3k.

Man I would not want to be in this situation I can only imagine how not driving it now would feel like. Koi nai sabr ka phal meetha hota hai

Perhaps, I cannot comment anything right now. Waiting to get hands on my wideband, tuneup after that and then I will give a statement on the mileage thingy.
And yes I agree on your query, some friends are running H22's and H23's on these lighter chassis and they easily fetch 12-13 on hypermiling and 5-7 on high revving so my expectation with the F is the same since its a destroked H22, alot in common.

Nice, glad to hear that, I've a project planned in a little far off future, not really sure it'll be H23 or F20b, will probably go for the one that'll give better mileage (maybe) the torque on H23 makes me drool, anyways, would be looking forward to the figures you get. Obviously want it as a daily drive and mine is about 65-70 km, so confused about what engine to go for.

P.S: Again a very nice and neat project, hats off.

[shaheryar.khokhar]

Man I would not want to be in this situation I can only imagine how not driving it now would feel like. Koi nai sabr ka phal meetha hota hai

Nice, glad to hear that, I've a project planned in a little far off future, not really sure it'll be H23 or F20b, will probably go for the one that'll give better mileage (maybe) the torque on H23 makes me drool, anyways, would be looking forward to the figures you get. Obviously want it as a daily drive and mine is about 65-70 km, so confused about what engine to go for.

P.S: Again a very nice and neat project, hats off.

Hey thanks buddy, really appreciate your kind words
Who would love to get in a situation like this? The hassles and all bittersweet situation is a must have in the start, once its finalized you'll be good to go. I recently burnt a stock h22a's basemap with blind figures cuz of no wideband, it feels better now but still there is a very big room for more improvement once i get hands on aftermarket headers, catback and all the other stuff. Trying hard to get it done by the end of this month.

And for you i'd suggest to focus on your need apart from the mileage thing, if you need max torque then H23 but it don't revs much high cuz of longer stroke, if need to meet the high revving then F20B for sure but it has less torque. The H22 is a bit balanced with same torque figures like H23 and even revs more then an H23.

[ihpwf12]

More pictures please.
Would love to see what it looks like now.

Sent from my Nexus 6

[shaheryar.khokhar]

Sir no big flash updates so far. She still looks the same as I last updated. Gathering stuff slow and steady
Anyways here are two pictures of the bay which I have at the moment.

[shaheryar.khokhar]

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[ahmed2396]

you don't have its own ecu?

[shaheryar.khokhar]

you don't have its own ecu?

I didn't but now I have but I've wired up the OBD1 wiring so its of no use for me at the moment unless i get a jumper harness.

[PunjtaniZ]

MashaALLAH Clean swap Brother, Just Replaced the headers

[nfssaad]

Vulcanized Rubber.
Reason for using vulcanized rubber is their flexibility as compared to the polyurethane which leads towards vibration which I don't want to deal with. Moreover, I agreed people over the web prefer polyurethane motor mounts when going for a performance upgrade even the Hasport inserts polyurethane bushing but this ain't a 8sec fast front wheel.

you can get polyurethane in hardness ranging from rubber band to hard plastic.

a shore 75a hardness is equivalent to automotive tire hardness. you can reference that to get the required hardness you want.

[hyder_m29]

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the project cost you so far? It'll cool to see a cost breakdown, I'm looking for a similar setup for my teg.

Also, why not go for a K20 instead?

[shaheryar.khokhar]

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the project cost you so far? It'll cool to see a cost breakdown, I'm looking for a similar setup for my teg.

Also, why not go for a K20 instead?

Well the answer is quite simple. A simple/silvertop k20 isn't much fun to drive unless its a Type R and the price tag for a redhead K motor is sky high. Same is the case with B series.
H/F power and torque figures are not the same either but at least close enough to their redhead variants. Plus I got this motor from a very dear friend which kept me safe from the market surveys and all those other hassle one can get and not to mention on a very attractive price tag.
Check your pm for the cost estimate you asked for.

[Deadly_Flame]

Hey thanks buddy, really appreciate your kind words

You are most welcome man.

Is this an original K&N intake? Why not opt for the original? Or the performance difference is really noticeable? And any plan for video uploads?

And for you i'd suggest to focus on your need apart from the mileage thing, if you need max torque then H23 but it don't revs much high cuz of longer stroke, if need to meet the high revving then F20B for sure but it has less torque. The H22 is a bit balanced with same torque figures like H23 and even revs more then an H23.

Any idea about the top speed for both engines on an ek? I feel like H23 will be more efficient at lower speeds and since it would not be possible to red line it in city, it would be better to have greater torque for a more comfortable ride no? Btw looked at H22A on your suggestion found this variant in wikipedia:

One of the variant of H22A with red cover, produces 217 hp and 163lb/ft toruqe, pretty sick

Now this is pretty kool I am kind of thinking of getting this one if possible. Wonder if this variant is available and if so what's it gonna cost. I might seriously consider this even if its about 20-25k expensive.

P.S: If you don't mind, I'd also like to know the cost breakdown.

[shaheryar.khokhar]

You are most welcome man.

Is this an original K&N intake? Why not opt for the original? Or the performance difference is really noticeable? And any plan for video uploads?

Any idea about the top speed for both engines on an ek? I feel like H23 will be more efficient at lower speeds and since it would not be possible to red line it in city, it would be better to have greater torque for a more comfortable ride no? Btw looked at H22A on your suggestion found this variant in wikipedia:

Now this is pretty kool I am kind of thinking of getting this one if possible. Wonder if this variant is available and if so what's it gonna cost. I might seriously consider this even if its about 20-25k expensive.

Which variant?
And H23 has a good torque but even if you get an H22 or even an F20, you will be quite satisfied, check again mate the torque figures on all these motors do not differ in a big way. 197Nm - 218Nm - 221Nm which is negligible imo.

[jetta666]

Which variant?
And H23 has a good torque but even if you get an H22 or even an F20, you will be quite satisfied, check again mate the torque figures on all these motors do not differ in a big way. 197Nm - 218Nm - 221Nm which is negligible imo.

well i would say the best cost effective engine amongst these three would be an h22, i myself did a lot of research on this particular thing
a f20b is 197 Nm and is 200hp
h22a typeS is 221 Nm and is 217 hp
h23a is again a 221 Nm ,197hp motor
and k20a is 215 Nm with, 220hp
now it depends on your end goal. now k20 is very expensive both the motor and aftermarket parts, h22 type s is a much cheaper option if you are looking for power ( im doing sth similar lol)
otherwise if u want to stay stock h23, h22 and f20b would all be good options. although i would still suggest a h22

[Deadly_Flame]

Which variant?
And H23 has a good torque but even if you get an H22 or even an F20, you will be quite satisfied, check again mate the torque figures on all these motors do not differ in a big way. 197Nm - 218Nm - 221Nm which is negligible imo.

Its an H22a SiR- S-Spec or Type-S. Came in 1997-2001 Prelude. Well I've never really driven any of these motors, so don't have an idea about the difference these figures will have. If it is negligible then I guess I should opt for F20b, because of the fact that it won't reduce oil (an issue in H23, as per pakwheels and other forums). Though if they require less than 4L oil then I guess, can refill using the remaining oil.

Anyways, why did you not opt for the original intake and air filter housing?

Please let me know if I am ruining the thread with these unrelated posts.

well i would say the best cost effective engine amongst these three would be an h22, i myself did a lot of research on this particular thing
a f20b is 197 Nm and is 200hp
h22a typeS is 221 Nm and is 217 hp
h23a is again a 221 Nm ,197hp motor
and k20a is 215 Nm with, 220hp
now it depends on your end goal. now k20 is very expensive both the motor and aftermarket parts, h22 type s is a much cheaper option if you are looking for power ( im doing sth similar lol)
otherwise if u want to stay stock h23, h22 and f20b would all be good options. although i would still suggest a h22

Do you have any idea regarding the price difference in H22a Type-S and an H23a or F20b? What about the mileage figures on the H22a Type-S? Is it similar to H23/F20b? I want it as a daily driven car and would most probably(I think) keep it stock

[jetta666]

Its an H22a SiR- S-Spec or Type-S. Came in 1997-2001 Prelude. Well I've never really driven any of these motors, so don't have an idea about the difference these figures will have. If it is negligible then I guess I should opt for F20b, because of the fact that it won't reduce oil (an issue in H23, as per pakwheels and other forums). Though if they require less than 4L oil then I guess, can refill using the remaining oil.

Anyways, why did you not opt for the original intake and air filter housing?

Please let me know if I am ruining the thread with these unrelated posts.

Do you have any idea regarding the price difference in H22a Type-S and an H23a or F20b? What about the mileage figures on the H22a Type-S? Is it similar to H23/F20b? I want it as a daily driven car and would most probably(I think) keep it stock

f20b is the cheapest one, go up a little u could find a h23, h22 would be in the same price. h22 type s would be around 30k more than h22 and would be a lil hard to find. as far as mileage is concerned they are all the same and it depends on how often u floor it lol. go for a h23 then imo it would be the best option for stock and you could go for more power any day you want

[shaheryar.khokhar]

Well I would disagree on this one cuz all of them (h22a, h23a and f20b) share the same price tag and it varies day to day, location to location and condition to condition. The only variant expensive is the Type S h22 which costs around 30-50k or even more than any one of these motors.
The only reason the F20B gets a little cheaper here is I've seen here in BG people mating manual gears to the Auto F's and selling them dirt cheap saying its a manual and price is reasonable too. Reason behind the F20B came with an Auto 180HP Variant and a Manual 200HP one, on the other hand H22 doesn't came with any auto transmission from the factory but H23 does, I presume.

The mileage would be the same among all I believe, forget that old sayani saying "Bhai ye 200cc ziada hay, patrol bhi ziada khaye ga", why? It just depends on the tuneup and the type of foot you have while driving and yes the motor's health also matters to some extant.

In short you are going to keep it stock, either am I apart from some good headers and other minor things but motor still remains stock. Get any one of these apart from the Type S being a bit expensive or if you can spend that much, get a Type S. The only benefit over the F20B MT version is it already came with the H22 Type S head and cams from the factory and price tag lesser than a Type S.

[jetta666]

Well I would disagree on this one cuz all of them (h22a, h23a and f20b) share the same price tag and it varies day to day, location to location and condition to condition. The only variant expensive is the Type S h22 which costs around 30-50k or even more then any one of these motors.
The only reason the F20B gets a little cheaper here is I've seen here in BG people mating manual gears to the Auto F's and selling them dirt cheap saying its a manual and price is reasonable too. Reason behind the F20B came with an Auto 180HP Variant and a Manual 200HP one, on the other hand H22 doesn't came with any auto transmission from the factory but H23 does, I presume.

The mileage would be the same among all I believe, forget that old sayani saying "Bhai ye 200cc ziada hay, patrol bhi ziada khaye ga", why? It just depends on the tuneup and the type of foot you have while driving and yes the motor's health also matters to some extant.

In short you are going to keep it stock, either am I apart from some good headers and other minor things but motor still remains stock. Get any one of these apart from the Type S being a bit expensive or if you can spend that much, get a Type S. The only benefit over the F20B MT version is it already came with the H22 Type S head and cams from the factory and price tag lesser then a Type S.

it depends on the condition and everything u mentioned above. i was talking about fresh motors if you decide to import them cz in pakistan you literally cant trust anyone. f20b would be the the best option if you want to stay stock but again h22 would be a better option as there is a lot of aftermarket support. for eg u can just get type s cams and then H takes an edge over the F

[shaheryar.khokhar]

it depends on the condition and everything u mentioned above. i was talking about fresh motors if you decide to import them cz in pakistan you literally cant trust anyone. f20b would be the the best option if you want to stay stock but again h22 would be a better option as there is a lot of aftermarket support. for eg u can just get type s cams and then H takes an edge over the F

I didn't disagree but focus on our aims, i have a daily with a handsome power with working AC, EPS, on full weight and each and every nut-bolt in place, you have a race-car, so is the case with the guy having queries. He can get any one of these but the best balanced bet would be an h22a.

[jetta666]

I didn't disagree but focus on our aims, i have a daily with a handsome power with working AC, EPS, on full weight and each and every nut-bolt in place, you have a race-car, so is the case with the guy having queries. He can get any one of these but the best balanced bet would be an h22a.

i agree with you on that