Dead W210 220 cdi. Looking for solutions

[dani_kk]

Yeah sure. But even if you pull the engine out, car tow is not that expensive. We've brought caprice and gallant home for parking when we were searching for parts. Not a bad option. So pull the engine out, open the sump. Opening of sump is really important to see whether its brank con rod bearings or not. So pull the engine off right away. After that if you want to take the car to that v6 guy you can move it via tow recovery. I will share the number of that tow guy, he has a long truck. We brought chevy caprice on it. And also mitsubishi galant

[nfssaad]

why on earth does the sump need the engine to be pulled out?

what if you need to change just the sump gasket, would you pull the whole engine out?

how about you just jack up the car and send a pic of the under side.

[capsat]

those of you who think just by removing the engine oil sump of W210 you can access crank & con rods ?

WAKE UP, It is a GERMAN machine., please check google / you tube for the understanding / learning

sharjah is heaven for engine / half cuts bolt-on engine & train

[Xulfiqar]

have you done a 2JZ into mercedes swap and the entire car was working after that? including ESP??

[Xulfiqar]

the sump on it is very tall - on W210 the subframe is bolted rather than welded on, but the steering rack is also bolted to it

When doing a sump gasket change on this - the engine is lifted up and the subframe dropped a bit too - Its easy.

If you think this is abnormal, please check a BMW 6 cyl engine, the sump cannot be removed unless you drop the front subframe 10 inches and the engine supported with a bar above.

If you think that is collosally stupid, google the words "audi service position" - and think of it when you have to change a thermostat or alternator on it..

BUT....

he already has siezed the engine according to his posts. Its in his best interest to pull the engine, Bearings can be checked even without opening the engine - install a pressure gauge to the test port and start it up. If the pressure drops rapidly when the oil gets hot - Its toast.

Glitter will also be found everywhere in the oil. - Pull out the engine, its a piece of cake on this, you dont even need to remove the bonnet on a mercedes, the radiator and fan is literally clipped on the car, the airduct work is also clipped on. They are pulled in mere seconds.

p.s. If this was a W124 (older model) - its a world of hurt as the front frame which holds the mounts is welded to the car (not bolted like the W210) - YEAH.. It gets very interesting if you dont have a proper engine support bar.

[Xulfiqar]

unless you have someone that can code the ME/DME/ECU to the EIS - dont do this.

[dayrider]

That leaves the option of swapping. Should I put in a cdi assembly or convert it fully to a 240?
The problem with cdi here is the injectors, they often end up leaking and causing issues.
I have people going to dubai/sharjah, if I have to get a halfcut from there, has to be a 200 or a 220 petrol.
Atleast parts for those are available here at abundance

[Xulfiqar]

if convertng to petrol, you will need
engine
gearbox
diff
ME/ECU - and someone to code it to your EIS in the car
TCU for the gearbox (diesel TCU and gear are different)
radiator and hoses too for the petrol one.

find a short block CDI engine, remove your old head, redo it - buy new injector shields (very cheap from shahnawaz) and install them properly - also buy the correct puller for them so ustaad jee doesnt break the damn things.

A decent scanner like star or even maxidas etc. etc. can help you fix a mercedes diesel CDI very easily.

DO NOT RELY ON JUNKYARD PARTS FOR ELECTRONICS AND WEAR ITEMS.. please.. it becomes a never ending rabbit hole of gloom.

[rajaatta]

Sorry mate I was not in the city will contact you tommorow.

[dayrider]

Yes all these things are being provided for the petrol conversion, I know people who can code it for me.
I am just looking at the pros and cons. 200 kompressor or 240.
The cdi, I am offered a complete assembly with the guarantee of no excess noise, no blow, no issues in a try run from Islamabad to Lahore and back...

[dayrider]

What's an injector shield?

[dayrider]

Will be waiting

[Xulfiqar]

The CDI injectors rest on copper washers, called shields. They go bad and you see the "Black Rocky" formation over the injectors. - same thing also happens in 1KD and 2KD - but instead of just sitting outside like on Mercedes, on toyota the injectors leak into the oil which thins out and also sludges up causing complete and total engine failure.

Replacing them is not too bad if you have the correct slide hammer to pull the injectors. - There is also another trick to pull out really bad injectors. If and when you do the job, I can tell you that little trick.

[Xulfiqar]

if you are hellbent on petrol, get the 3.2 litre M112 V6, its gearbox and its diff too - along with the ECU and TCU - and ask your guy to code everything to the car, make sure you get the correct model year item and ECU from a W210.

dont get the supercharged engine, its a pain to own. and why opt for the smaller V6 when you can get a larger one

Be wary that it uses twin cats and 4 oxygen sensors. Also make sure the rockers and cams are not trashed on the junked engines.

[Marschall]

Ok sorry about your loss .Considering the expertise required for a swap i am again sorry you wont find a good ustaad.If your in rwp/isb Qayyum ustaad did a 96 w210 conversion from a diesel to a m112 2400cc v6.Now i inspected that car i was not to pleased and many things like ASR BAS were not working, wiring and programming had some issues but the engine was smooth.Swapping with a v6 is a good option and bringing the car upto 80% will take a year as certain corrections and tweaks will be required constantly.Price these days is sky high for a v6 m112 so yea keep around 4.5 lac for complete swap and labour cost.Might i suggest a slightly under powered m111 2000cc NA engine with a 722.6 5g transmission.Its easier to swap and good enough as a daily.
Swapping the same engine is the easiest and best option but good luck finding one and it will probably die in due course.
So sir its your call , this dilemma is faced by countless merc owners in Pk.After this most of them swear never to buy a mercedes

[dani_kk]

Yep many. Chevy, merc, mark 2 old with oem diff.
Merc has a very tough diff and good brakes for jz's.
But it always depends on the end user whether he wants to do oem engine or jz conversion.

[dani_kk]

No this is not possible on 70% of machines.

[rajaatta]

I had done many but esp and even stock cluster doesn't work so we had to change the entire cluster gauges.

Jz or GR series is a pain to swap in the w210 as the vacuum system is lost and many of the stock things doesn't work.
The toyota swp is just for fun nothing else plus Diffs are much longer ratio as compared to toyota where toyota needs 3.9 the Merc has a lower number diff which causes a mess on long routes and hill areas

[rajaatta]

Yes that's the fix don't waste your time on swapping on gasoline engines

[Xulfiqar]

What failures are you guys seeing on cdi?? Rail pressure sensor dead?? Startup pressure too low? Injector black rock leak??

When i was repairing them in pakistan i didnt see any issues that caused total disaster. The cars with issues were the ones where ustaads and idiots tried shooting junk parts at the car while having combined dua e sehat for their car in masjed.

I did face a siezed glow plug car in pakistan and had to make tooling to extract it with a fully assembled engine. But thats not too bad for anyone who knows what they are doing.

Do the repair guys know how to diagnose these??