ENGINE OIL QUERY Toyota 2.0D SE 07

[GoodMan7]

when we do this test.. what brand of ciggie should we fill the "garda" with.

REALLY????? engine temperature is being tested with hand on engine cover in the 21st century????

As I already mentioned that its difficult to explain this phenomena in the words.
But let me try to highlight it from another angle.

I daily drive ~45 Km to my office & back home, and use the same route and nearly same traffic.
I was using some other company oil before and after reaching office or going back home, I scroll my hand on the bonnet sides.
Now am using different engine oil, but yet everything is same (route, traffic, distance etc). So now when I put my hand on bonnet, I do not feel it as heated up or warmed, as it was with previous engine oil.
Don't mind the summer or winter in above example because I check it everyday like routine.

Moreover, I don't use irrelevant words to receive "likes" as you do in your every post. Positive & Constructive discussions are good to have as far as these are for knowledge & experience sharing.

[ehalin]

There was a science experiment in science books of primary schools. This science experiment was something like "Take three glasses of water, one with warm water, one with cold water and the third one with water at room temperature. Put one of your hands in the glass with warm water and the other hand in the glass with cold water and after that immediately put your both hands in the glass with water at room temperature."

Can you re-call why this experiment was done?

As I already mentioned that its difficult to explain this phenomena in the words.
But let me try to highlight it from another angle.

I daily drive ~45 Km to my office & back home, and use the same route and nearly same traffic.
I was using some other company oil before and after reaching office or going back home, I scroll my hand on the bonnet sides.
Now am using different engine oil, but yet everything is same (route, traffic, distance etc). So now when I put my hand on bonnet, I do not feel it as heated up or warmed, as it was with previous engine oil.
Don't mind the summer or winter in above example because I check it everyday like routine.

Moreover, I don't use irrelevant words to receive "likes" as you do in your every post. Positive & Constructive discussions are good to have as far as these are for knowledge & experience sharing.

[syncview]

But what you're doing is neither sharing knowledge nor experience.. they are your 'feelings' towards your car

The temperature on the body can vary due to tons of different factors or variables, how in the world you can possibly narrow it down to engine oil just by 'scrolling' your hands around your car's body

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[faiz.aslam.121]

But what you're doing is neither sharing knowledge nor experience.. they are your 'feelings' towards your car

The temperature on the body can vary due to tons of different factors or variables, how in the world you can possibly narrow it down to engine oil just by 'scrolling' your hands around your car's body

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Just the same way you can use banana/potato mash in your gearbox and Niswar to repair a leaking radiator
I still find that strange- too many variables are into play! You cannot simply rely on your hand to see if a car is heating up.
At least find out the temp. by scanning the ECU using OBD-II, Does that even work?

[RL589]

Well, this is something which comes after keeping a regular observations on the vehicle.
Its really hard to explain this phenomena in words, but its rather true.
Or as an experiment, pour less viscose oil (0/20, 5/20 etc.) in your car and touch the bonnet with your hands (from the sides) and 'compare' to find the results.

dear Goodman, i am a silent viewer of oil threads for a quiet long time, all what i observe that all the time u r trying to promote your products i.e kixx etc with baseless statements. (now u will check heat of the engine with ur hand on bonnet) come on man have some ......

i am driving 2c,s since 1999, (2.od limited 99, 2004 2.od saloon and rite now 2.od saloon 2008) all my 3 cars i drove up to 200k with 20w-50 petron (MAL) for the pakistani enviroment this is tested and best oil for 2c , because its a old technology engine not that (d4d 1.4 turbo) requires a 0w-20 or 5w-20,

so the owner has a 2.od i recomend him 20w-50 for his 2.od. with my past 15 years experience.

[ehalin]

Next time while buying oil for your car please don't forget to ask for the "Feel" the Bonnet test results. This should be major criteria in your decision regarding assessing and purchasing a quality oil for your car. Less heat from the engine = cooler bonnet = less global warming and a secure future for your generations.

[GoodMan7]

But what you're doing is neither sharing knowledge nor experience.. they are your 'feelings' towards your car

The temperature on the body can vary due to tons of different factors or variables, how in the world you can possibly narrow it down to engine oil just by 'scrolling' your hands around your car's body

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Here people feel easier to comment rather than observing this phenomena by themselves first.
The things start coming into observations when one start observing them from learning point of view.

[GoodMan7]

dear Goodman, i am a silent viewer of oil threads for a quiet long time, all what i observe that all the time u r trying to promote your products i.e kixx etc with baseless statements. (now u will check heat of the engine with ur hand on bonnet) come on man have some ......

i am driving 2c,s since 1999, (2.od limited 99, 2004 2.od saloon and rite now 2.od saloon 2008) all my 3 cars i drove up to 200k with 20w-50 petron (MAL) for the pakistani enviroment this is tested and best oil for 2c , because its a old technology engine not that (d4d 1.4 turbo) requires a 0w-20 or 5w-20,

so the owner has a 2.od i recomend him 20w-50 for his 2.od. with my past 15 years experience.

firstly, "thank" for your time to read oil related posts.
everyone has their own experiences and recommendations, as you have too.
am not promoting / selling anything here. just trying to share whats new & good in the market.
i believe the majority still believes that 20/50 is the only suitable oil for Pak. and yes everyone has full rights to choose products according to their understandings.
all the best.

[faiz.aslam.121]

Here people feel easier to comment rather than observing this phenomena by themselves first.
The things start coming into observations when one start observing them from learning point of view.

What they mean to say is, do it in a professional way-
Just the way a Doctor uses a thermometer to check your fever. He doesn't shove his hand in your mouth or his finger up your backside does he?
If reading engine/engine oil temp. through OBD-II port is possible, why not try that to be more accurate?

[GoodMan7]

Next time while buying oil for your car please don't forget to ask for the "Feel" the Bonnet test results. This should be major criteria in your decision regarding assessing and purchasing a quality oil for your car. Less heat from the engine = cooler bonnet = less global warming and a secure future for your generations.

Well, I feel that these new imported engine oils works well to exhaust engine's heat while local oils also do, but NOT of same intensity as of Imported ones.

[ehalin]

From the learning point of view, you know that as oil deteriorates with use in the engine. With your "feel the bonnet test" have you found a difference in bonnet heat when the oil is new and when it becomes older with the age? I just want to know whether this test is also some benefits apart from differentiating good quality oil from bad quality oil or a thick oil from a thin oil in like assessing remaining life of the oil. Earlier we have been using only "Ungli" test for this purpose. Thank you in advance,

Here people feel easier to comment rather than observing this phenomena by themselves first.
The things start coming into observations when one start observing them from learning point of view.

[GoodMan7]

From the learning point of view, you know that as oil deteriorates with use in the engine. With your "feel the bonnet test" have you found a difference in bonnet heat when the oil is new and when it becomes older with the age? I just want to know whether this test is also some benefits apart from differentiating good quality oil from bad quality oil or a thick oil from a thin oil in like assessing remaining life of the oil. Earlier we have been using only "Ungli" test for this purpose. Thank you in advance,

Pl read the post no. 70 of this thread. tks.

[ehalin]

I think we should start a separate thread to highlight the effectiveness and to educate the people about correct procedures for these scientific and sensitive tests. The ones which I know the names are 1. Ungli test, 2. Feel the bonnet test, (including all the other feel tests like feel the pick up, feel the noise, feel the fuel average, feel the oil color, etc. 3. Exhaust sniffing test, etc. I am sure there would be many more but we can build on the data base. Surely my knowledge is limited. Regards,

Well, I feel that these new imported engine oils works well to exhaust engine's heat while local oils also do, but NOT of same intensity as of Imported ones.

[GoodMan7]

I think we should start a separate thread to highlight the effectiveness and to educate the people about correct procedures for these scientific and sensitive tests. The ones which I know the names are 1. Ungli test, 2. Feel the bonnet test, (including all the other feel tests like feel the pick up, feel the noise, feel the fuel average, feel the oil color, etc. 3. Exhaust sniffing test, etc. I am sure there would be many more but we can build on the data base. Surely my knowledge is limited. Regards,

Suppose all these test results comes +ve, even then people will feel more happy to consume havoline or zic hiflow in their cars continously.

[usman_arooq2]

when we do this test.. what brand of ciggie should we fill the "garda" with.REALLY????? engine temperature is being tested with hand on engine cover in the 21st century????

i know if my car is overheating by the amount of heat i feel on my face when i open the hood.

[Xulfiqar]

As I already mentioned that its difficult to explain this phenomena in the words.
But let me try to highlight it from another angle.

I daily drive ~45 Km to my office & back home, and use the same route and nearly same traffic.
I was using some other company oil before and after reaching office or going back home, I scroll my hand on the bonnet sides.
Now am using different engine oil, but yet everything is same (route, traffic, distance etc). So now when I put my hand on bonnet, I do not feel it as heated up or warmed, as it was with previous engine oil.
Don't mind the summer or winter in above example because I check it everyday like routine.

Moreover, I don't use irrelevant words to receive "likes" as you do in your every post. Positive & Constructive discussions are good to have as far as these are for knowledge & experience sharing.

hmm - irrelevant words.... in your world is a bobbin called a "phirkee"?.. If you want to discuss in the uneducated terms that pakistani mechanics use - then thats OK too, Im versed in them too, unfortunately I also have a few degrees in education, I think they should be considered useless.

anyway a test means that it is universal and has units of measure that are defined as constants.

now lets take your test on a suzuki mehran and feel the bonnet after driving at a speed of 20 km/h for 2 hours and then stopping in Sibbi in the middle of July and testing the heat. It may burn you.

Lets do that on a mercedes with 3.2 litre or 4.3 litre engine, the bonnet will be very cool...... the german engine runs hotter (normally at 90C) all the time and has panels under the car - so hot air doesnt exhaust quick. Why would it be cool?

Theres a thick layer of insulation on the bonnet. <--- any hint

Similarly lets take a person who has diabetes and usually has numb fingers because he binges on "broast" - he wont feel a thing as his fingers are numb. Or lets take both cars to Abbotabad in December and do the test. Any ideas what will happen?

[Xulfiqar]

Suppose all these test results comes +ve, even then people will feel more happy to consume havoline or zic hiflow in their cars continously.

why dont you make a thread for this - you can PM the mod called Vcheng or Libra to lock it for you and make it a sticky, that way only you can edit it but all can read it.

Others wont be able to post on it.

[ehalin]

And you definitely own a Mehran.

i know if my car is overheating by the amount of heat i feel on my face when i open the hood.

[usman_arooq2]

And you definitely own a Mehran.

nope, never even drove one, being a passenger in one scared me for life.

got a gli auto from toyota walton last saturday. (H)(H)

[ehalin]

If you are not a current or previous owner of a mehroo then how do you know that "your car is overheating by the amount of heat you feel on your face when you open the hood?" I thought this maneuver is required only in mehroos since temp gauges don't work most of the times in mehroos only.

Then you probably previously have driven a bolan or carry.

btw congratulations on your new car. drive well and stay safe.

nope, never even drove one, being a passenger in one scared me for life.

got a gli auto from toyota walton last saturday. (H)(H)